And people like to give me a hard time about Bonds. Oh brother.

[cboy4]

Pacman out as 2007 shooting surfaces

The June 2007 shooting occurred outside a suburban Atlanta strip club. One of the shooting victims told "Outside the Lines" that he had a dispute with Jones inside the strip club and that not long after he and the two others left the club, a hail of bullets struck their car. The NFL knew about that incident, but charges were never brought against anyone because the victims did not see the shooter.



January 7, 2009 8:18 PM
Posted by ESPN.com's Matt Mosley

With a two-line press release Wednesday, the Dallas Cowboys ended their relationship with cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones. The laughter you're hearing is coming from the Tennessee Titans' practice facility, Matt Mosley writes.

:spray:

With a two-line press release Wednesday, the Dallas Cowboys ended their relationship with cornerback Adam "Pacman" Jones. The laughter you're hearing is coming from the Tennessee Titans' practice facility, where they're preparing for a divisional playoff game against the Ravens.

This transaction won't be made official until Feb. 9 because of league rules. ESPN's Ed Werder is reporting that Jones' release was prompted by the club finding out about an upcoming "Outside the Lines" report that provides details on new allegations against the player during his time with the Titans. The NFL apparently knew about the allegations, which occurred two months after Jones was suspended for a year by the league, but charges were never brought against Jones.

Of course, the Cowboys should've cut their losses with Pacman following his Oct. 7 fight with a member of his own security detail in a posh hotel bathroom. Cowboys owner Jerry Jones brought Pacman back into the locker room after he served a six-game suspension. Jerry has maintained that team chemistry is overrated, and that's why he looked the other way while Pacman, Tank Johnson and T.O. were busy dividing his locker room.

According to a high-ranking club source, some members of the defense were stunned when Pacman leapfrogged rookie Mike Jenkins in his first game back after the suspension against the Steelers in December. He was injured in that game after muffing a punt.

After his team's embarrassing 44-6 loss to the Eagles, head coach Wade Phillips indicated there might be some personnel changes. But the only reason this news seems significant is because Pacman is such a controversial figure. He didn't do enough on the field to make up for all the negative attention he brought the team. It's too bad it took a report on a shooting incident that took place in July 2007 to finally make Jerry Jones do something.

The Cowboys' home for wayward players will also lose another resident when Johnson hits the free-agent market. Johnson was nothing more than a loud-mouthed backup, and he joined T.O. in constantly complaining behind the scenes

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/nfceast/0-7-58/The--Pacman--era-has-ended-in-Dallas.html

[trumad]

1. Who the fuck is Pacman Jones...

He was invisible on the field this year and is a mimimal impact player---IE: He sucks.

On the other hand---Barry is Teh God!

[cboy4]

3. No Barry isn't teh God ... he's the guy who is hated for not

being charged with violating a single MLB rule, and for not being convicted of a single crime.

If Barry Bonds or Michael Vick were to be announced over a PA system, they'd probably receive the same reaction -- perhaps Bonds getting booed more -- even though what Vick did is a thousand times worse than what Bonds is accused of doing.

How fucked up is that?

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070804195600AAIwjGM

[TZ]

2. Yeah I give you a hard time about Bonds..

Because its so easy...In case you didn't notice, I started a thread about Jason Garrett just to piss off madinmaryland....
So I'm treating you just LIKE madinmaryland..:evilgrin:

[cboy4]

4. I read somewhere that it might be time for a STFU day

for turtlensue.

I love it when my ideas catch on! HA

:thumbsup:

[BOSSHOG]

5. Your ideas catching on?

Being a knucklehead is not unique.

[cboy4]

6. Pipe down BOSSHOG. We're all going to have to suffer

enough listening to you when the Eagles are eliminated from the playoffs.

[BOSSHOG]

7. And

you're going to have to suffer if they aren't, Knucklehad.

Have you heard from the UT alumnus who carved Obama's initials into her face?

[TZ]

10. .

:spray:
There is a thread in the teh Lounge where you are supposed to insult the person you are replying to..Obviously someone who has never been in this forum as that is SOP here..and you do it well, my friend..:thumbsup:

[BOSSHOG]

42. Hi Sue

Still haven't gotten my Phillie stuff from Sports Illustrated. But I got two postcards telling me to be patient. Think I'll take the Saints license plate off my truck and put a Phillie one until next football season.

[cboy4]

45. Throw the Saints license plate frame in the garbage can

Boss.

[BOSSHOG]

47. Why?

I like it. Hey, check out the current Sports Illustrated, the Eagles are on the cover. You could frame it.

[cboy4]

53. Because the Saints are the Chicago Cubs of football.....they're

always going to fail.

They put the "D" in disappointment.

You should put on an Eagles frame instead.

[cboy4]

12. She's no doubt from Unicoi County, with all of the other

racists.

[madinmaryland]

9. Dude! What is the best college football team in Tennessee to win a bowl game this year???

Why that would be Vanderbilt!!

How did the Volunteers do this year??

:rofl:

[cboy4]

13. We will rise from the ashes and I will make sure to remind

you of the abuse you're giving me during their climb back to glory.

Tough loss by Ohio State, ha?

Have you stopped crying yet? lol

[madinmaryland]

15. Heckuva game wasn't it! I enjoyed it, though

if the outcome was different, it would have been much more enjoyable.

It's just that Vandy makes it to a bowl game one every decade or two, that I have to give you crap about it! Almost as amazing as Duke getting into a bowl game!!

:hi:

[cboy4]

16. I'm happy for Vanderbilt.....we play them in Nashville and

75 percent of the stadium roots for us. LOL

How unfair is that? So I feel a little guilty.

I'll root for the Tennessee team against Boston College any day.

[BOSSHOG]

39. Vandy - Culture, UT - Agriculture

So 25% of the smart Tennesseans go to Vandy and the other 75%??

A serious question I may have asked you before (early stage dementia) how does Heath Shuler fare in the annals of Volunteer land? Has history been kind to him? Do you all love him as much as you love Clint Stoerner? I always thought he (Shuler) was a damn fine college quarterback.

[madinmaryland]

40. Didn't Clint Stoerner back-up Danny White or Roger Staubach with the Cowboys

in the 70's or 80s???

[BOSSHOG]

41. Yeah

in the late 90's. I think Jones just signed him up due to the Hog connection. I still think he's working for the Cowboys in some capacity. He was the Arkansas quarterback who fumbled in the ball against Tennessee (at Tennessee) in 98 late in the game with the Hogs holding on to a slight lead and the clock running out. UT recovered the fumble, scored and won the game and the national championship that year. Cboy knows Stoerner was UT's MVP that year. They needed a Hog to win the championship.

[madinmaryland]

44. After the last eight years, the 90's seem like 20 or 30 years ago.

:wow:

[cboy4]

46. We like Heath, yes .. even though he's a conservative

Democrat, he's still a Democrat which is always a win in the Eastern Tennessee/North Carolina corridor.

We also love Clint Stoerner.

[TZ]

48. My Stepdad met Heath while he was still in DC.

Really nice and down to earth. I have his autograph...:)

[madinmaryland]

11. Isn't that a prerequisite for the sports forum??

[BOSSHOG]

38. Absolutely!

I wouldn't have it any other way.

[madinmaryland]

8. As far as Pac-Man Jones goes, the Cowboys lost a fourth round

draft choice. The Titans were scheduled to receive a 6th round pick, but when he got suspended, the Cowboys didn't lose that but then receieved from Tennessee a fifth round draft choice.

They brought someone in who they thought could plug a hole, with the injuries they had in the secondary.

[hughee99]

17. Jones seems better at creating holes than of plugging them. n/t

[cboy4]

18. HA

[H2O Man]

14. There are people here

who say mean things about Iron Mike Tyson, too .... though not to his face.

What has the world come to?

[ProfessorGAC]

19. But, I Don't Remember Anyone Defending Jones

That's a completely different issue, because you have, indeed, defended Barry. I'm sure not defending Adam Jones. He's a thug and a sociopath who got lucky and made some money because he had good genetics.
GAC

[MaineDem]

20. Bingo! n/t

[Forkboy]

21. Don't ruin cboy's self-imposed martyr complex for Barry.

cboy has victim written all him...sadly he holds the pen.

[cboy4]

22. Negative....EVERYONE tortures me about Bonds, including

you.

It's not a self-imposed martyr complex .. it's pointing out a fact.

And I don't feel like I'm a victim .. but I do feel like Bonds targeted as being more evil than a lot of these athletes who are involved with dog fighting and gun play.

Bonds only proven offense, is that he's not nice to reporters.

Lock him up!

[trumad]

24. Cboy4

The Quasimodo of DU.

[cboy4]

26. Mmmm Hmmm.

[trumad]

36. .

[Deja Q]

68. What camera flash? I don't see the reflection of some excited naked guy...

[Forkboy]

70. "I don't see the reflection of some excited naked guy..."

That would make an awesome last line to a movie. :rofl:

[Forkboy]

25. "And I don't feel like I'm a victim" - "EVERYONE tortures me"

Don't make me call trumad.

but I do feel like Bonds targeted as being more evil than a lot of these athletes who are involved with dog fighting and gun play.

This is your complex in full gear. You've taken it upon yourself to be his protector, to take the "tortures" of our slings and arrows, to protect his good name from the legions of Barry haters out there. If that isn't a martyr I don't know what is. :shrug:

And it's bullshit on top of that. Vick has been completely excoriated in every corner of the sports world and beyond in ways that Bonds has never even approached. Vick is serving time for his actions (not enough, mind you). Vick is in a tiny gray room, eating lousy food and sleeping on lousy beds. Bonds is probably on yacht right now. He's fine. Trying to equate what Bonds is dealing with with what Vick is dealing with is laughable on it's face. Spend some time in jail and get back to us.

Bonds only proven offense, is that he's not nice to reporters.

Lock him up!

If being mean to reporters were the only charges he's facing people would be cheering him on. No, and this is something I've never once seen you address in your Bonds love-ins, the reason so many are against him is because he hold baseball's single greatest record, and there's a very real cloud of suspicion over him. THAT'S what pisses people off. You think if he held the record for most walks anyone would even give a shit what he did off the field? It could be Casper the Friendly Ghost holding the HR record, and if his head was all popping with veins and he bulked up way past the age when ghosts bulk up then hey, we'd be all over his sheet-ridden ass too.

[cboy4]

27. Oh I reject your argument about Vick vs Bonds, simply

because they both would receive nearly the same crowd reception if they were to be introduced today .. even though what Vick did and Bonds is accused of doing is light years away different.

And calm down.

I write about Bonds with a smile on my face.

You don't think I actually lose sleep about being kidded about my protection of Bonds.

Why would I be mad? He's the Home Run King. The best home run hitter ever.

And that's enough to put a big smile on my face, regardless of what you haters say.

HA

[Forkboy]

29. "And calm down."

Dude, I'm medicated AND high. Any calmer and I'll slip into a coma.

You don't think I actually lose sleep about being kidded about my protection of Bonds.

I'm forced to wonder, at the least.

Why would I be mad? He's the Home Run King. The best home run hitter ever.

And that's enough to put a big smile on my face, regardless of what you haters say.

I just had an image of a Republican wrapping themselves in a flag for comfort.

:) (happy now?)

:P

[cboy4]

31. No, but I'll be happy now if you send me over whatever it is you'r'e

taking .. especially if it's extra strength vicodin.

[Forkboy]

33. Nope, wrong kind.

It's an anti-psychotic. :freak:

I'll smoke with ya if you got a hooka that'll span the country. :smoke:

[cboy4]

34. Nope, no smoking for me .. I'm a health freak.

Cell phone photo I just took of myself

[Forkboy]

37. Health freaks PLAY sports, not talk about them.

I get winded going DOWN stairs.

[cboy4]

54. You don't know anything about being gay.

It's an unwritten mandate that I have to be in good shape.

So much pressure.

But I'm all in favor of straight people :smoke: until their heart's content.

:thumbsup:

[Forkboy]

65. There's no overweight gay people?

Someone should have informed my friend's dad. He didn't get the "stay in shape" memo. :)

[madinmaryland]

78. Nice post, Carrot Top!!1!!

:rofl:

[cboy4]

81. EWWW

He's not the least bit handsome. :puke:

[cboy4]

23. I'm not saying people have been defending "Adam."

But at the same time, I don't hear a lot of people criticizing him, in comparison to the amount of abuse Bonds receives.

I think Jones is much more of a rotten human being than Bonds is, but you'd never know it reading this forum.

[TZ]

28. For the record I do think Jones is a worse person than Bonds.

But thats like saying Bush's dad was a better president than W. Probably true but that doesn't make him any less loathsome to me.

BTW, I need to bookmark this thread--CLASSIC! :rofl:

[cboy4]

30. I'd like to know why I receive so much attention.

It must be a conspiracy.

[TZ]

32. Because its funny....

If you didn't get so worked up about Bonds, it wouldn't be half as much fun to bait you!
:)

[madinmaryland]

35. Doesn't he sound alot like someone who used to complain about the "Swarm"

Everyone ganging up on him and attacking him. Poor little cboy!

[BOSSHOG]

43. Cute little puppies get alot of attention too

but its so horrible when their owners give them steroids, and they get real big heads, then they ain't cute anymore and people just turn nasty.

[cboy4]

55. Barry's head isn't that big. And he's only nasty to the media because

they're always hounding him about steroid allegations.

[BOSSHOG]

62. And OJ's wife isn't that dead

[madinmaryland]

79. And Bellicheck is looking for the one in the Patriots organization that cheated!

:rofl:

[ProfessorGAC]

64. Come On, Cboy!

He's been annihilated right here, and on nearly every sports forum i've been to. You have to go long and far to find someone who doesn't think he's a useless piece of work.

When he got in the shooting thing in Vegas, people here creamed him! And rightly so.

When he beat up his own bodyguard (and according to rumor, sucker-punched him), people here creamed him!

When he got reinstated, there were lots of folks here who were quite upset. (I was one of them.)

It's just ain't so that people here don't criticize him. Just tain't so.
GAC

[madinmaryland]

49. This Barry Bonds?

[cboy4]

50. He looks about the same size of a football player.

Does that mean that big football players are all sing steroids or are they lifting weights?

I rest my case.

[madinmaryland]

51. A baseball player built like a football player??

:shrug:

[cboy4]

52. I don't understand why a baseball player can't achieve the

same build as a football player.

Are baseball players genetically inferior or something?

[trumad]

56. So you still reject that he did steroids?

[cboy4]

57. Since Barry hasn't been convicted of anything, I try to figure

out how he can be a muscular as he is.

Then I think of weight training, personal trainers, superior diet, protein shakes, etc., ... all of the methods football players gain bulk if one is to believe they're not all on steroids.

I don't understand why you can't allow yourself to view that as plausable -- that Barry can do this on his own because he wanted to beat Aaron .. unlesss he just refuse to open your mind and think.

All you want to do is convict Barry before he's even appeared in court, which is dumb.

[trumad]

58. You didn't answer my question

[TZ]

59. he went from very very thin

to very very bulky. I'm sorry but the only way someone does that is with "help"--see Mark Mcgwire-or perhaps you think he's innocent of steroid use as well.
If you look at most of the big bulky football players they have the bone structure that makes their large size natural.
Bonds does not have the natural bone structure for that..

[cboy4]

60. Sue, what are your credentials to so boldy dismiss

Bonds' fitness program?

Are you some sort of nutrition expert to put yourself on record, proclaiming that the ONLY WAY someone can go from being very thin to ripped is through "help"?!

I think you know a lot about sports, but no offense...

I don't think you know shite about fitness training.

"They have the bone structure that makes their large size natural"? WHAT?!

There are plenty of high school QB's whove come out, and gained bulk.

And I don't think thee reason is because they have big bone structure.

TIM TEBOW



Is Tim big boned or something?

[TZ]

63. Ah but I do know something about biology and physiology...

And weight training while does bulk up the body some, DOES NOT cause the huge changes in anatomy that Mr. Bonds has shown. And I've told you before, there is a clear puffy appearance to his face that speaks of long term steroid use..Its called the moon face. I would bet people who are on steroids for medical reasons would tell you the same thing (I have a relative on steroids, I've watched the physical changes caused by them..they are very similar)

[Forkboy]

66. Ok, what do YOU know about weight lifting and building muscle mass?

I've lived with bodybuilders (one came in 2nd on ESPN one day even). They don't add mass AT THAT AGE. Your comparison to Tebow is dumb, because at his age it's very easy to do. Bonds did it in his mid to late 30's for fuck's sake.

I don't think you know shite about fitness training.

And *I don't think you know shite about building muscle mass, and how the difficulty in doing so get more and more severe as you age. So, tell us YOUR experience and expertise in the field then, because your reply here is asinine. At 20 even I bulked up to play hockey. At 41 there's no more bulking up...yet Big Head Barry just keeps growing right through his late 30's. Amazing, that.

And we won't even bring up the fucking shrunken testicles. Your support for Bonds is sad, not only because you ignore the bloody obvious (a trait I see in repubs, not smart people), but even more so because Bonds wouldn't piss on you if you were on fire. You and love stricken heart deserve better.

[trumad]

73. Great post... Plus his hat and shoe size grew like Jack's beanstalk.

In his mid-30's.

Notice Cboy refuses to answer my "did Bond's take steroids" question?

[TZ]

67. no he actually looks okay

and as forkboy told you, Bonds is too old to look that way.
I can tell which football players are probably on steroids too, you really only have to look at his face.
BTW, the only reason ons hat size changes, as bonds did is because of the swelling that steroids cause in the face. Tebow does not have a inch of swelling on his face..Barry on the other hand..Thats not fat either. Thats fluid retention.

[trumad]

74. Tale of the tape

Yet without question the smoking gun hidden in the text is the supposed testimony of San Francisco Giants equipment manager Mike Murphy, who "could" have told the grand jury that Bonds's shirt size went from 42 to 52 in his now 15 years with the team, his hat size went from 7 1/8 to 7 1/4 ("even though he had taken to shaving his head"), and most damning of all his shoe size went from 10 1/2 to 13.

http://blogs.chicagoreader.com/sports/2007/03/09/tale-tape-and-shoe-size/

[Tektonik]

82. damn my hat size is 8.5 and my shoe size is 13

I'd hate to see what roids would do to me.

[cboy4]

61. He hasn't been convicted of anything!! MLB hasn't charged

him with breaking a single rule!!

Why in the world would I accuse him before a decision comes down.

People just hate him and want him to lost his home run crown and go to prison.

It's a rotten position to take.

[flvegan]

69. This thread is hilarious.

:popcorn:

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

71. See what you guys miss upstairs?

:)

[flvegan]

72. I lurk in here a bit, but don't post.

Don't know how I missed this classic.

[TZ]

75. all you have to do is look for any thread here

that has the word Barry Bonds or Steroid and you'll find the good uns here...

[flvegan]

76. Oh dear.

I may or may not be very popular in those.

[madinmaryland]

77. or cboy4 and carrot top!!

:rofl:

[Jack Rabbit]

80. Q: There's three Dallas Cowboys in a car. Who's driving?

A: The police.