Chicago sports writers calling for a forfeit.....

[LisaM]

GUESS WHAT, CHICAGO? Detroit fans still remember the 1990s and the insufferable arrogance of Michael Jordan. Times have changed.


http://blogs.chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/rosenblog/

[trumad]

1. insufferable arrogance of Michael Jordan?

Is that the only smack you can come up with Lisa because it's pretty damn weak.

[Moses2SandyKoufax]

2. Really

I seem to remember the '91 Pistons refusing to shake hands after that year's conference finals.

[trumad]

3. Lambier---Rodman--- LOL---but Mike is insufferable.

[1gobluedem]

4. Michael Jordan is loathed in the state of Michigan

Whining and crying about the Pistons being hooligans then winning championship after championship with the same tactics. Amazing talent, yes. Changed the face of modern basketball, yes. But you can be those things and still be an arrogant jerk -- which he was and is.

Here's a great article about the old rivalry written just before the current series began.

http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070504/COL08/705040324/1051/SPORTS&imw=Y

[trumad]

5. Loathed because he kicked the Pistons asses for years.

[jakefrep]

6. well, the Pistons of that era WERE a bunch of whiny thugs

MJ wasn't too far off about that.

[Awsi Dooger]

7. No, they were a great team that properly changed the style of basketball

Early and mid '80s NBA was pure wimp garbage. I can't stop laughing when I watch it on ESPN Classic. A 5 foot jumper? Sure, any time you want.

Chuck Daly snuffed out Showtime with 48 minutes of sustained defensive intensity. Then the Bulls and other teams made sure that style continued to prevail.

I remember the average score of an NBA game when I loved to Las Vegas was a laughable and disgraceful 218 points. Now it's about 194, after dipping even lower than that.

I realize there is no future in arguing the '80s Lakers and Celtics were overrated. Fans lap up that offensive minded crap and view it nostalgically. I just wish teams like that could take the court today or in recent years, stymied and complaining before they even made it into the lane.

[jakefrep]

10. No, they set the game back to the dark ages

They were a bunch of hacks who couldn't win on actual talent, so they had to beat people up to win.

[LisaM]

12. I couldn't agree more!

I've always preferred a defensive style of play, no matter the sport (I still fondly remember a 5-3 Michigan win, where the game was essentially played in the mud). Tastes differ, of course, but give me good old-fashioned D any day of the week!

[LisaM]

9. That big whiny baby who wouldn't let Isiah play in the Olympics?

Not one member of the Bad Boys was on the Dream Team, and it was all due to Michael, who threatened not to play if any Pistons were on the team. Ah, sportsmanship. (Then he wouldn't march with the team in the Olympic parade, and he wouldn't wear the team warmups!)

He's not exactly popular in Detroit, with good reason.

[mark414]

8. if any athlete is allowed to be arrogant, i think michael jordan is the one guy who can

[spoony]

11. The Bulls shouldn't feel bad

Not in the long run, I mean. They disposed of the defending champs and had a good season. The Pistons are just the better team, largley because of their poise. That comes from experience, and the Bulls will eventually build that up.

[LSK]

13. care to comment on game 4 of the 1991 Eastern Conf Finals

When the Pistons got swept and walked off the floor with a minute to go???

[LisaM]

14. Sure - I'll let the Detroit News do it for me

It's hard to explain to people who drool over Jordan that there are two sides to the story. First, Detroit was in line to have a whole bunch of championships. They got hurt by expansion, and then the league decided that they would rather see razzle dazzle than defense.

I post this knowing full well you'll 1) never agree with me; and 2) not even consider that there is a Detroit POV to the whole thing. Oh well!!! Go ahead and prove me wrong!


~snip


A day earlier, Bulls guard Michael Jordan sat in The Palace stands and talked about how happy he was to see the Pistons fall.

"Their style of play is bad for basketball," Jordan said.

The words stung the Pistons. They had built their team on mental toughness and physical intimidation. The Pistons wanted opponents to think twice before driving the lane. Jordan was knocked down a number of times and complained through the media

snip~

On edit: what Jordan was really saying was that is was bad for HIS style of basketball.


http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070515/SPORTS0102/705150352/1004/SPORTS

[LSK]

15. I guess you forgot about Scottie Pippen being used as a battering ram

by Laimbeer and Rodman.

Oh and what was the Pistons nickname? Bad boys??

Also, need I remind you about the 3 consecutive seasons that the Pistons knocked the Bulls out of the playoffs?

[LisaM]

17. Yes, the Bad Boys!

Who couldn't love them?

[LSK]

18. MJ and Scottie Pippen

Thats who!

The Bulls are winning tonite.

:hi:

[LisaM]

20. Ack!!! Why don't you just say Oliver Cromwell and the Devil????

Now I have to make a cross in front of my face to ward off the spirits....


We'll just see who wins.


:toast:


Tigers: 4:05 pm
Pistons: 5:00 pm
Red Wings: 6:00 pm

(I'm on the West Coast).

If I could only have one win tonight, I'd have to take the Wings, but there's the Holy Trinity as far as I am concerned!

[LSK]

16. .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mQwubKA3lc

[LisaM]

19. Awww....how sweet

You linked to that so that I could read the comments! How sweet!

Actually, I tried to watch it but for some reason YouTube always freezes up on me - not sure why. It starts, stops, and sputters.

[LSK]

21. you have to let it load

Pause it for a minute and then play again

[LisaM]

22. Well I got a little farther along....up to 22 seconds

I'll try a few more times for your sake, though it's not one of my best memories. I know exactly where I was at the time - at a softball game with a radio pressed to my ear. Sigh.

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

23. Well LisaM, there's gonna be another game in the United Center

Thursday night. How do ya like them apples.. :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

LSK, thanks for the Youtube clip. I'd forgotten how completely classless the Pistons were at the end of that game.

GO BULLS!!!

[LisaM]

27. I don't like them apples

But I have a secret plan for Thursday.

[trumad]

24. Lame---Lame---Lame

walking off the court like they did was one of the worst unsportsmanlike like incidents in the history of sports.

[genie_weenie]

25. Lookee here, the whiny pisston brats lose again!

I guess Hamilton is just going to have to pack up his hockey mask and travel back to Chicago...

It's going to suck when the Pisstons blow a 3-0 lead...

[LisaM]

26. Hey! Apparently the sports gods had to focus on the Wings

I prepared a lucky dinner last night (Swedish meatballs) to help the Wings win. Now, I'm going to have to think of a lucky Pistons dinner, some sort of Detroit-based food, luckily, there are plenty of yummy choices.

[HuskerDU]

28. May the better team win LisaM.

I just like that you are a Detroit 'party line' fan. I'm a Cubs-Bears-Bulls-Blackhawks guy.

[LisaM]

31. I even root for the Lions!

Heck, I named my dog Gordie, after Gordie Howe.

Ain't no party like a Detroit party 'cause a Detroit party don't STOP!

[HuskerDU]

34. Congrats LisaM!

You haven't seen the last of my Bulls tho!

[LisaM]

35. Thanks!

Hey, I respect the (current) Bulls. They aren't babies, and they play tough. I don't care for Skiles, but overall I think the Bulls are likeable. (I'm UofM - Skiles is an old enemy).

[HuskerDU]

36. LisaM- I like a fan like you (a real fan) much better than

a bandwagon fan of my own team. My Bulls had plenty of 'em during the Jordan era. Good luck in the Eastern Finals, and lookout for my Iowa Hawkeyes this fall and winter!

[LisaM]

37. Some of the nicest fans we ever met were Iowa fans

We were watching the Michigan-Iowa game in a bar and got put into a room with some Iowa fans (the only TV that was showing it). It was a wedding party. The father of the bride bought a pitcher of beer for us, and he said, "Hell, I'll buy a pitcher for my Michigan friends!" I never forgot it (and we were really young and poor, so it was really appreciated, too).

[HuskerDU]

38. Glad you had a good experience with other Iowa fans!

We tend to be an agreeable bunch. It's hard to have an attitude when Iowa is something like 9-47 vs Michigan in football historicly. But believe me, those 9 were SWEET!

[LSK]

29. I'll be sure to have an Italian Beef tonite to ensure the Bulls win

:P

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

30. Great idea, LSK

I was just thinking about what to get for dinner and Italian beef sounds perfect to me.

GO BULLS!!!

[LisaM]

32. But don't forget, I have a secret weapon too.

But I can't say what it is.

O8)

[mohinoaklawnillinois]

33. Half Time Score: Bulls 48 Pistons 43

Go Bulls!!!!!