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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:23 PM Original message |
What do you think is meant by the tree of knowledge of |
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Mind_your_head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
1. What do you think it means? n/t |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:29 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Seems God would want Adam and Eve to have the |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-05-06 04:54 AM Response to Reply #2 |
31. Exacty. That interpretation doesn't make sense. nt |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:48 AM Response to Reply #31 |
47. Thank you for your enlightening contributions to this thread. n/t |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-04-06 02:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
129. No problem. What are your favorite parts of my post #16? nt |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-29-06 03:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
107. Why wouldn't it make sense? Are you not an animal? |
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Marie26 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-04-06 02:27 PM Response to Reply #2 |
128. Ignorance is bliss. |
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C_U_L8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
3. It could explain the fundies... |
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Mind_your_head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:48 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Very true |
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C_U_L8R (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. High five |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
4. Here is what I think. |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 11:23 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. That's close... |
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JDPriestly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-25-06 05:22 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Emphasis n on the evil |
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TreasonousBastard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-28-06 08:48 AM Response to Reply #15 |
21. Methinks "evil" carries a stronger message ... |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. My take is that the story |
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murray hill farm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:53 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Seems to me that years ago, i heard the story of Lillith |
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waiting for hope (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 11:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. I remember that one too |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 10:47 PM Response to Original message |
6. i was told it meant carnal knowledge |
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InaneAnanity (910 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
10. The tree was diseased |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Feb-24-06 11:34 PM Response to Original message |
13. Two options |
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Evoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-25-06 03:09 AM Response to Original message |
14. Tree shmee |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-25-06 05:51 AM Response to Original message |
16. Here's another interesting explanation: |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-25-06 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
17. In order for there to be a tree |
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funflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-04-06 05:47 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. Welcome, believerinchrist. Here's my question.... |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-04-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. God and humans are not the only ones involved. |
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funflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-05-06 04:24 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Very eloquent. A few more questions, though.... |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-05-06 08:36 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. First, God did not require the sacrifice of animals |
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funflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 03:08 AM Response to Reply #39 |
41. You know your stuff, believer. However, the core of the thing still |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #41 |
50. Okay, let's look at this from a different perspective. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-07-06 06:24 AM Response to Reply #50 |
60. "The ultimate sacrifice" to what? |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-07-06 09:09 PM Response to Reply #60 |
70. Okay, I want to give this some more thought. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 08:02 PM Response to Reply #60 |
78. I think a better word than sacrifice would be transaction. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 07:53 PM Response to Reply #78 |
90. What is this about "legally" and "legal transactions"? |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #90 |
93. God made the decisions and the rules, |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 08:06 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. But his love DOESN'T draw humans to him. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #94 |
96. How do you know God's love isn't drawing humans to Him? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 08:49 PM Response to Reply #96 |
98. Sure there are people who aren't killing each other over god. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 09:20 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. I'm sorry if you are offended at what I understand-- |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-11-06 09:58 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. It's not about being offended. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-11-06 03:18 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. I am the least scary person I know. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 05:32 AM Response to Reply #29 |
44. Um |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:27 PM Response to Reply #44 |
51. I know many people believe what you have written, |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-07-06 01:27 AM Response to Reply #51 |
59. The Bible does say |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-07-06 08:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
66. One of the biggest issues God had with the Hebrews |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 07:31 AM Response to Reply #29 |
45. What about Jepthah? |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:43 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. The main difference between this Abraham and Jephthah |
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A HERETIC I AM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-07-06 12:13 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. The idea that everyone thought the stars revolved around the earth.... |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-07-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #58 |
67. Really? Was it a common belief ? |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-07-06 07:18 AM Response to Reply #52 |
61. So Gawd couldn't intervene in the case of Jepthah's daughter? |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-07-06 08:58 PM Response to Reply #61 |
68. I question everything--I don't take anything for granted. |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 09:13 AM Response to Reply #68 |
73. And we don't now? |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 08:44 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. When I hear anyone say that every word of the Bible is true, |
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BiggJawn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-09-06 07:10 AM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Thank you... |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 07:46 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. God's love will prevail! |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 09:09 AM Response to Reply #29 |
46. See, here is the thing which really makes no sense. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
53. You are absolutely right--it was not Eve's fault. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:51 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. So it's not Eve's fault, but she was punished anyway. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-07-06 09:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
69. God did not punish Eve; |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 08:45 AM Response to Reply #69 |
72. You make it sound like there are forces beyond your god's control. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 09:27 PM Response to Reply #72 |
82. I need to take some time to answer your challenges, |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 07:34 PM Response to Reply #72 |
87. Rather than call my thoughts theology. I label them understanding. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 08:01 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. Still not seeing your reasoning. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 08:22 PM Response to Reply #92 |
95. You're looking at the creation story with 21st century eyes. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 08:39 PM Response to Reply #95 |
97. Discipline isn't supposed to be permanent. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 09:04 PM Response to Reply #97 |
100. Yes, a child grows up and discipline is not longer needed. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-11-06 10:05 AM Response to Reply #100 |
103. A ridiculous analogy. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Mar-11-06 02:30 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. To each his/her own. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:00 AM Response to Reply #29 |
48. Another question that is begging to be asked |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:55 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. It's getting late, I have to go to bed. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-07-06 07:27 PM Response to Reply #48 |
63. Get ready to be blown away! |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-05-06 05:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Put yourself in the sandles of the authors of the story of The Fall. nt |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-05-06 07:45 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. The authors of the story of The Fall |
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funflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 03:11 AM Response to Reply #38 |
42. What makes you think that "thy seed and her seed" bit is about the virgin |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
55. I'll try to talk with you tomorrow, I've got to go to bed soon. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-07-06 07:35 PM Response to Reply #42 |
64. The Bible talks a lot about the "seed." |
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funflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 02:52 AM Response to Reply #64 |
71. I ran a search for "seed on BibleGateway.com, and, it was used almost |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 09:22 PM Response to Reply #71 |
81. It could be both--after all, Jesus Christ was human, |
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funflower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-09-06 04:11 AM Response to Reply #81 |
85. "You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." Wise words. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 07:54 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. The one thing I see about athesists is |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 11:20 AM Response to Reply #17 |
49. Where does evil come from if god is all powerful? |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 08:59 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. I think I might have an answer to Epicurus, |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-07-06 07:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
65. In order to give freedom of choice, God had to do two things. |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 12:40 PM Response to Reply #65 |
74. So god is punishing humans then |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 07:24 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. It's too bad I can't share what I have discovered all at one time. |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 09:18 PM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Well, I'm glad that you have such a liberal interpretation of your faith |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 09:33 PM Response to Reply #80 |
83. Oh, but I believe their hearts are going to change, |
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salvorhardin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 09:59 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. I hope you're right |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 07:43 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. The Bible says that before the return of Christ, |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-29-06 12:53 PM Response to Reply #17 |
106. They ate but it didn't kill them |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 12:33 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. That is a hell of a good point, Warpy. |
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treegiver (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-30-06 02:29 PM Response to Reply #108 |
109. I was saving that for the kicker in the "God lied" thread... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 08:15 AM Response to Reply #109 |
110. Yeah, what I meant was... |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 09:56 AM Response to Reply #110 |
111. First, the Hebrew reading of Genesis 2:17 (where God spoke to Adam) is |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 09:59 AM Response to Reply #111 |
112. You're leaving off the critical part. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 10:52 AM Response to Reply #112 |
113. The Hebrew reading of that would be |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 10:56 AM Response to Reply #113 |
114. I can say with certainty that many things in the bible are myth. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 11:22 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. You know, the flood is not just a biblical "myth"-- |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 11:34 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. Many cultures have an oral history of *a* flood. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 11:59 AM Response to Reply #116 |
118. I'm sorry, I can picture it in my mind... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 12:22 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. You're introducing NEW impossibilities. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 02:12 PM Response to Reply #119 |
120. Let's call it a draw-- |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 02:25 PM Response to Reply #120 |
121. A draw only in the sense that |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 02:53 PM Response to Reply #121 |
122. I'm not denying science per se-- |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-31-06 03:07 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. You may not think he is, |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-01-06 11:52 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Bear with me while I set up another analogy... |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-02-06 12:09 PM Response to Reply #125 |
126. Seriously, you guys need to come up with new analogies. |
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believerinchrist (145 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Apr-02-06 01:06 PM Response to Reply #126 |
127. My understanding of God has changed over the years |
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treegiver (127 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Apr-01-06 02:13 AM Response to Reply #110 |
124. You're right. |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Feb-25-06 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
18. It means the writer, probably a priest, was worried about people |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-27-06 12:32 AM Response to Original message |
19. It's just an allegory "explaining" why human beings |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Feb-27-06 03:35 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. That was a beautiful explanation, thanks. I think I spent too |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-28-06 08:52 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Just to be slightly contrarian... |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-28-06 11:24 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. True, but we still have more choice in any given situation |
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ThJ (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Feb-28-06 11:15 AM Response to Original message |
23. What it means |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-01-06 07:22 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. That is an interesting take and sounds true but it leads |
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ThJ (383 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-01-06 02:24 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Good question |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Mar-02-06 03:28 PM Response to Reply #26 |
27. Perhaps that was the knowledge we were being protected from |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-05-06 05:07 AM Response to Reply #27 |
33. That doesn't make sense to me and is |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-05-06 09:13 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. No it's not a dark attitude unless you believe that there is a |
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greyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-05-06 05:00 AM Response to Reply #25 |
32. The authors of The Fall weren't concerned with Jesus. |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-05-06 09:16 AM Response to Reply #32 |
36. I meant it in terms of consistency of thought, not literally. n/t |
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BayCityProgressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Mar-05-06 10:17 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Here are a few ideas |
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opiate69 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 02:25 AM Response to Original message |
40. I tend to go with Frank Zappa's take on it |
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Brilligator (47 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 02:02 PM Response to Reply #40 |
75. Cheers |
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unschooler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Mar-06-06 03:21 AM Response to Original message |
43. I think it means that humanity, symbolized by Adam & Eve, grew up and |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-07-06 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
62. There are adam and eve type stories spread throughout mythology |
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Disturbed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Mar-08-06 06:44 PM Response to Reply #62 |
76. Why are most of the initiates women? |
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ayeshahaqqiqa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Mar-10-06 08:56 PM Response to Original message |
99. To me it means |
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117. I equate it with the Tree of Life |
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