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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 10:54 AM Original message |
Why the New Atheism is a boys' club |
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and-justice-for-all (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
1. unrec for the "New Atheism" bullshit...nt |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 11:10 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I concur. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 11:09 AM Response to Original message |
2. Oh, rubbish. |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 11:11 AM Response to Reply #2 |
4. That may be true but the article is about its perceived leaders. |
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Warpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 11:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Men always shove their way to the front and proclaim themselves leaders |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 12:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. except "the men" have declared themselves no such thing. The media has. nt |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 04:17 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Bingo! |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 11:37 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. delete (posted in wrong place) |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 11:40 AM Response to Original message |
7. On the whole... |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 11:46 AM Response to Original message |
8. I took the article to be saying that a large part of this perception is due to the media. |
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dmallind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
9. You mean the groups that hit the bigtime under O'Hair and that Johnson led for over a decade? |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 04:08 PM Response to Reply #9 |
12. +1000 |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 08:28 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. Not to mention... |
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iris27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 10:42 AM Response to Reply #17 |
23. I would add Ayaan Hirsi Ali to that as well, under the same |
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customerserviceguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 03:11 PM Response to Original message |
11. If there is a "New Atheism" |
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onager (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 08:21 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. The media and the Faitheist/Accomodationist suck-ups. |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 07:21 PM Response to Original message |
14. Who are the female leaders in your church, rug? |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 07:45 PM Response to Reply #14 |
15. Oh, are you organized now? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-26-11 09:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 06:08 AM Response to Reply #15 |
19. Just asking, if you are going to try and criticize non-believers... |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 10:21 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. Deleted sub-thread |
rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 07:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
37. Are you listing your leaders? |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 07:34 PM Response to Reply #37 |
38. Speaking of coy. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 07:37 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Deleted message |
darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 07:46 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Since it has already been established that there is nothing "new" about atheism, |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 07:48 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. It's the headline. write to them. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 07:50 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. I wasn't talking about the headline, I was talking about your "coy" swipe |
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rug (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 07:53 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. You're talking to yourself. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 07:57 PM Response to Reply #43 |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 08:14 AM Response to Reply #37 |
76. Each of them has led an actual atheist or non-believer group. But you knew that. |
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Goblinmonger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
20. I ain't voting for no chick to be in no leadership position in my religion. |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
21. Just more fabricated controversy. If "Gnu Atheists" would just do something REALLY controversial... |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 06:47 PM Response to Reply #21 |
34. i suppose if you deny something long enough, it becomes your "worldview." nt |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #34 |
47. . |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. You explain your world view quite nicely. Some people do talk |
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cleanhippie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 08:27 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. This is a much better response to your incoherent babble than words... |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 11:08 AM Response to Original message |
24. The biggest pile of horse manure I've seen in The Guardian in a |
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ButterflyBlood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 11:26 AM Response to Original message |
25. Why would atheism even need leaders? |
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trotsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 11:45 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. You're right, it doesn't. |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 12:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. Quite so. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
27. New Atheism is nothing more than repackaged old atheism. nt |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 12:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Agree, with the omission of the word 'repackaged' |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 02:07 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I agree there have always been atheists. But, regarding |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 05:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. The difference between them being that one is a figment of your imagination, |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 05:36 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. You illustrate my example with perfection just about every time you post. nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 05:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. There is no universe in which that statement makes sense. |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 07:03 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. You might need better reading glasses. Your conceptual references are all ... |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 07:16 PM Response to Reply #35 |
36. What do numbers have to do with anything?And where did I make a claim |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 08:01 PM Response to Reply #36 |
45. You never made the claim, but you still insist upon whining that you are |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 08:14 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. You are kinda wearing your opinions on your sleeve aren't you? |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 08:29 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. My facts are NOT opinions on my sleeve..Yes, there are facts, you refuse to ... |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 08:40 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. The one fact that is so obvious is: |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 08:43 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Rectal extraction. |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 08:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. No honey, I'm not the "bubba" ....anything that cannot be measured |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. Don't look now, but you're blowin' your case for "free thought." nt |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. You really have no ethics nor rational arguments, both, yet you blabber on.. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:11 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. Are you asking me to provide a link showing that "free thought" is |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. So you are contradicting your earlier post here, right? |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:26 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Nope, no contradiction there. I guess what you see as contradiction, |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:28 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. And once again, you state your agenda clearly. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:33 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. Agenda? OK, if you say so. |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 10:29 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. And I quote: |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 11:15 PM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Well, I guess if you consider a one-liner an agenda, then who am i |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:19 PM Response to Reply #61 |
64. Duped post..........self deleted |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 08:58 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. You said: |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:01 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Did you just quote mine my statement? How insincere for someone who CLAIMS to |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Uh? Well. So you mean when any Christian or other religious scientist |
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David Sky (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:12 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. No, I don't mean that, and I honestly don't know what the heck you are |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:32 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Now back to the point about using ridicule as a method of argumentation: |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:36 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Ridiculous ideas and arguments require ridicule as an appropriate response. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:43 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. Then one would think that after a while, you would stop making them. nt |
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darkstar3 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 09:47 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Aaaaaaaand I'm in a Monty Python sketch again. |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 10:18 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Sorry, your time is up. nt |
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humblebum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 08:15 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. What claim? Is there something I missed? nt |
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laconicsax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-27-11 08:17 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. That's a question you should ask yourself more often. n/t |
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LeftishBrit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Sep-28-11 02:24 AM Response to Reply #30 |
75. Wow |
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