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Crystal Clarity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 04:45 PM
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Cults: Is anyone here familiar with the "Shepherding Movement"?
And if so, have you had any personal experience with it?

My parents got deeply involved in this in when I was about 4 in 1969. They knew a man by the name of Bob Mumford personally, who on his website still mentions the Princeton, NJ- Friday night prayer meetings that they both attended. My parents left the meetings with no explanation as to why in 1978. The whole thing is a taboo subject in my family. Because of this fact, I never knew that those Friday night prayer meetings in someone's house was part of a larger movement until just this weekend.

I began my search with 'Cults' and 'Church's that Abuse' and found Bob Mumford's name under both. I was shocked to learn how extensive this movement was. And though it lasted less then 15 years, there was alot of damage done. I'm still in therapy...

Some info:


Shepherding Movement

From Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shepherding_Movement

The Shepherding Movement (sometimes called the "Discipleship Movement") was an influential and controversial movement within some British and American charismatic churches, emerging in the 1970s and early 1980s. The doctrine of the movement emphasized the "one another" passages of the New Testament, and the mentoring relationship described in 2 Timothy.



History
It began when four well-known Charismatic teachers, Bob Mumford, Derek Prince, Charles Simpson, and Don Basham, responded to a moral failure in a charismatic ministry in South Florida. Witnessing this failure, the four men felt mutually vulnerable without greater accountability structures in their lives. They also felt the charismatic movement was becoming individualistic and subjective. These realizations, led them to mutually submit their lives and ministries to one another. Ern Baxter was later added to the core leadership of the group, and they became known as the "Fort Lauderdale Five."

Their relationships, and the doctrines which they began to emphasize in support and definition of these relationships gained wide approval, as they addressed a strongly felt need of many in the burgeoning charismatic movement - greater accountability, character development and deeper relationships. Other charismatic ministers began to submit to the authority of the Five. The relationships that were formed became known theologically as "covenant relationships." A network of cell groups were formed. Members had to be submitted to a "shepherd", who in turn was submitted to the Five or their representatives. At its height, an estimated 100,000 adherents across the US were involved in the networks.

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Criticism and controversy
The movement gained a reputation for controlling and abusive behaviour, with a great deal of emphasis placed upon the importance of obedience to one's own shepherd. In many cases, disobeying one's shepherd was tantamount to disobeying God. A few of these criticisms were exaggerated, but many lives were damaged. One such testimony can be found in the book Damaged Disciples by Ron and Vicki Burks. Noted Baptist evangelist Bailey Smith, for example, in his work "Real Evangelism" mentions having collected a very large number of testimonies of people he had encountered who were damaged by Shepherding teachings.


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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 05:05 PM
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1. Me.
I was involved in a church called Great Commission International. The leader was Jim McCotter. Here's the Wiki on it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commission_church_movement

I was in the church for about 10 years. I finally got out after I found out about a lot of abuse going on in other churches (not mine so much as Kansas City and other places).

It sounds very similar to this one.
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Crystal Clarity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 07:24 PM
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3. Yes they were definitely affiliated
with the shepherding movement as mentioned in your link. A quick search of my own also uncovered this about the church and Jim McCotter... I'm glad you didn't see the worst of it though.

http://gcxweb.org/Misc/LarryPile-03-11-2006.aspx
Eventually it got to the point that anyone who resisted the many pressures, and shared their concerns with other members of their churches (outside the leadership), was in danger of church discipline. Ultimately, several people in many different fellowships in the movement were excommunicated on charges of “faction” and others. Much injustice was perpetrated in the name of God and maintaining “purity” in the church.

This state of affairs (and I’ve only barely sketched a couple of the major problems) prevailed from about 1974 through at least the mid-1980s. Some reform took place after 1986 or ’87 when Jim McCotter stepped down from leadership and then left the movement altogether, though some abuses continued to occur. During the 1990s more reforms took place, and things now are much better than they were back in the “bad old days.” However, every now and then in the early years of the new millennium I continued to hear of problems in individual churches, but not to the extent I once did. (Please see the addendum to this statement.)

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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 08:10 PM
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5. I have all of Larry Pile's documentation of the abuses here in my house.
One especially egregious incident involved a couple who had adopted a little girl only to be told that they had to give her up because she was the child of "fornication" and it would bring some kind of discipline down on them.

I left when I wrote a letter to the editor of the church newspaper (The Cause) saying that you could be a Democrat and still be a Christian (it was a really, really RW paper - edited by Jim McCotter who went on to be a member of PNAC). They sent a copy of my letter back to my local pastor telling him to watch out for me because I was probably trouble.

They had no idea.
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Crystal Clarity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 02:10 PM
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6. Wow, that is awful...
"a child of fornication"? Who were these people to judge the existence of this child or the people willing to adopt and love her as their own? It sounds as if they have seriously strayed from true biblical teachings.

I don't know what it is about these churches that seem to foster such authoritarian, pharisee-like mindsets... Many seem to start out well-intentioned only to go so incredibly off-track... How and why does that happen? It surely makes me re-think my former skepticism about spiritual warfare...

I can find nothing BTW in Jesus' teachings that seem to explain this kind of thinking among believers. Including the very possible shunning you might have gone through with that letter (had you continued on with them). However, the right wing, authoritarian leanings still seem to dominate the overall Body; PNAC members among your former group...WTH???... My parents are big time right wingers too. I don't get it. Particularly with my mother.

It's been for these reasons and my traumatic childhood, that I have not stepped foot in a church or so-called "place of worship" in my entire adult life...other then for weddings and funerals. I'm just too freakin scared to be honest.

I consider myself a believer and thankfully so... Having gone this route (recently; and on my own) has done amazing things in my life and I will never turn my back from it. But with the exception of a few liberal Christian websites, I'm not willing subscribe to group affiliation(s)... at least not just now. Are you as ambivalent or have you found a home you feel comfortable in yet?



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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-08-10 05:19 PM
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7. I'm totally out of Christianity at this point.
I consider myself spiritual but not religious. I don't ascribe to any mainline religion and never will.

My involvement in fundie Christianity taught me a lot. For one thing, I have no really life-long friends, because when you leave a fundy church, you basically die to everyone you used to know. They'll never speak to you again. Even if you did nothing wrong at all. Of course, if you DID do something "wrong", it's even worse.

It took a long time to wake up to what was really going on in the GCI church. It's funny what started to tip me off though. I remember borrowing the pastor's car one time, and filling it with gas. I noticed that he'd altered the gas filler to accommodate leaded gas (this was back when it was still available and a little cheaper than unleaded). I asked him about it and he said he'd been told at the national conference that it was OK. Now, I had a choice there - I could have gone along with it and believed it was OK, too. Or I could do what I did and say, "Well, that's just stupid and you know it!" I got into trouble for that, too. But after that I just noticed all sorts of other, unethical things - from skipping taxes to spanking kids to stealing cable. I couldn't figure out when all this happened - he wasn't like that when I first got to know him.

I wonder, though, why I wasn't like the others that just would have swallowed that whole bullshit? Because an awful lot of people do.
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Crystal Clarity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 03:49 PM
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8. I often wonder that too
-why people don't question stuff. There are so many people willing to just go along (to get along) I suppose. It's almost scary what many people are willing to accept sometimes.

As hard as this whole experience has been for you though, aren't you glad you eventually got out of there? It sounds like a very painful thing to have people you knew, who were probably at one time close friends shun you that way. But their actions say a whole lot more about them (and GCI) then they do you. As hard is this must be, at least you know now that you did the right thing. The action(s) of these people prove that.

Good for you that you got away from that BS!
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donco6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-09-10 05:56 PM
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9. Considering how miserable I was while in it, -
and how happy I am now, YES!

It wasn't until I left that I accepted my sexuality, found a partner and make a real life for myself. We've been together for 13 years.
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zazen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 06:06 PM
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2. vivid memory of Maranatha trying to convert me in bathroom of UNC-CH J school
Maranathas supplied the "pit preachers" at Carolina in the 80s. Don't know if they still do it. The one lead preacher, in his 30s (one of those guys who walked crotch first), scooped up an undergrad member of the "faithful" and married her.

Reminds me of the days when I actually spent energy trying to talk people out of their religious beliefs and offend them with my "paganism." I was almost as dogmatic as they were, as only teenagers can be.

However, I never had the misfortune of being raised by members. Sorry you had to go through that. What a head trip that must have been.
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Crystal Clarity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-07-10 07:42 PM
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4. Maranthas can be pretty doggish
And they too have some loose affiliation with this 'shepherding' thing... or so I've read.

Growing up fundie was pretty bad. I can remember 3 day fasts (from sunup to sundown) at the age of 10. Children as young as 3 had to participate. Also, the people who ran the prayer meeting basically controlled our lives, from what we wore to how my parents remodeled the house. The whole thing was nuts.

I haven't seen Bob Mumford since I was very young. He moved out to California for a ministry there shortly after my parents joined the Princeton prayer group. But he must have made an impression on me because I still recognized him in this recent YouTube clip. He's aged a whole lot since then but I still get that creeped out feeling. I couldn't handle much more then about 40 seconds of the video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wksOBR4J3nI
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