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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:26 PM
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9/11 He Die: Paul McCartney
Edited on Sat Mar-03-07 09:56 PM by Artiechoke
Try to get through your cognitive dissonance and reconsider the Paul is Dead and/or Replaced Craze that has found a new life thanks to the internets and the ability to show forensic-style facial comparisons previously unavailable.

Before you look at this link, consider the SGT Pepper cover, validated as a grave site by the Beatles then publicist, Derek Taylor. As you probably already know, an epigraph is present on the drum but can only be seen when divided through the center with a CD or straight edged mirror. The numbers read in effect, "I ONE IX HE^DIE," with an arrow pointing up to McCartney.

Many Americans took this particular clue to be November 11 as the date of his death, but in England it is actually 9/11.
This gave the Beatles and possibly MI5 and/or the Queen nearly a year to find a look-alike and sound alike. The Beatles all grew 'staches and wore customs and looked different to take the attention away from a longer faced McCartney.
When thinking about this you should remember that at the time the Beatles really were "bigger than Jesus" and had incredible power.
The clue involving the drum is amazing in itself. I have to wonder if they had some Intelligence help for that one.
There are literally hundreds of clues, many of recurring themes. Some of them are too graphic and morbid to be the Beatles having a little fun.

So, for starters, look at this page and let me know if the two people featured there are the same people. Keep in mind that some of the photos were taken less than one year apart:

http://xoomer.alice.it/james_paul_mccartney/fc3.html

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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:30 PM
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1. Same guy. Obvious.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:36 PM
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3. explain, please
I know not everyone has an easy time seeing the differences, like the longer face ("Stupid Bloody Tuesday Man you've been a naughty boy you've let your face grow long..." Lennon) the space between the eyes, the ears. Pretty obvious it's two different people.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:09 PM
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23. Here ya go. Feast your eyes...
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:15 PM
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24. And here are what's known as "fades"
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Bonobo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:16 PM
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25. You're right... I'm absolutely convinced now!
...That you need glasses, or medication.

:rotfl:
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:31 PM
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26. Thanks!
Edited on Sat Mar-03-07 11:32 PM by Artiechoke
My eyes have won me some nice awards, thank you very much! Like I said, Cognitive Dissonance is a problem here.
You may be right about the meds, though. LOL.

psss. you're neurons are shrinking...


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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 04:50 PM
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37. I don't get it
All the pictures look like the same person to me. He'd just aged a couple of years. :shrug: The eyes are the same.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 01:46 PM
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40. Eyes are different, too.
http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/ortho_comparison.html

Keep in mind that with very few exceptions, all of the images I've posted were taken in the time spanning a few months apart to a few years apart.
Pay particular attention to ears, eyes, nose, head/skull size, which stops changing after childhood.

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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 01:59 PM
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41. and voice. '66-67. Look here.
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 02:33 PM by Artiechoke
Notice the forced English accent in the '67 Paul. And the pics speak for themselves. To paraphrase Lennon, He'd let his face grow long...

Link:
http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/interviews_comparison.html

Sorry, the audio appears to be defunct now.

Below is another set of comparison photos.
The key is in not looking at the whole face. Analyze instead the chin, the length of the lips, spaces between the eyes, the nostrils, and so forth.

http://digilander.libero.it/jamespaul/documentation.html
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liberal renegade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:33 PM
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2. bloody hogwash!
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:37 PM
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4. Predicable. Prove it. eom
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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:37 PM
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5. Minor nitpick...
The phrase that can be read with a straight-edged mirror on the drum is actually "I ONE IX HE^DIE," as the top half of the "Y" in "LONELY" is duplicated in the mirror as an "X." :) Just thought I'd throw that out there. (And yes, this is how much of a pathetic fangirl/desperately procrastinating college student I am, lol.) ;)
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:41 PM
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6. Thank you for that.
I couldn't find a ready image.
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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:44 PM
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7. No problem.
I just know entirely too much about this, lol. :P
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PunkPop Donating Member (847 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:47 PM
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8. Thank god this conspiracy is finally being exposed!
What do you know about the government preserving alien bodies? Please post when you get the same kind of irrefutable proof.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:50 PM
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10. I don't need proof.
That there was clear and obvious intent from A-Paul Corps is inrefutable.
The answer I am looking fro is why. And please don't tell me it was for publicity. They had more PR than God.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:47 PM
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9. Look at this look alike.

Paulmccartneylookalike.com

No millions of dollars backing him, either.
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crim son Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:52 PM
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11. I enjoyed checking out the site.
The "growing head" example did give me a start.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:54 PM
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12. Good. Remember, "there's nothing seen that isn't shown"
The clue that you have heard over the years are part-rubbish. There's much better ones that many are not aware of.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 09:59 PM
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13. Seems like one of the other Beatles would have come clean tho, doesn't it?
Edited on Sat Mar-03-07 10:00 PM by Skip Intro
At some point, especially John, but then again, who knows what he had planned.

That last page does make me wonder now...

http://xoomer.alice.it/james_paul_mccartney/fcconcl.html

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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 10:32 PM
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21. Good page. John , George,"Paul" left over 300 clues.
The clues are still being put out in his solo works and in the new "Love" show and allbum. It is believed that they were not allowed to just come out and declare it.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 10:37 PM
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22. Sean on Lennon's death:
Anybody who thinks that Mark Chapman was just some crazy guy who killed my dad for his personal interests, is insane. Or very naive. Or hasn't thought about it clearly. It was in the best interests of the United States to have my dad killed. Definitely. And, you know, that worked against them because, once he died, his powers grew . . . They didn't get what they wanted."

Also, the lead Police investigator supported the idea of a conspiracy.

From New Yorker Magazine a few tears ago.
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droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 10:06 PM
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14. Solution
If you claim the current guy is a sound alike all you have to do is get one of the Beatles early recordings and run a voice analysis against some of the later stuff produced by Paul.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 10:23 PM
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18. A Dr. Truby found three voices on Pepper
Edited on Sat Mar-03-07 10:34 PM by Artiechoke
That were supposed to have Pauls. That was in 1969 or 1970, back when the clues broke into the public realm, despite clues having been planted since '67.
There is also a lot of speeding up and slowing down of voices on Pepper.
I have an original mono and stereo of Pepper and "She's Leaving Home " are at two different speeds. Although they gained fans with Pepper, they also lost many as well. People didn't like the physical or SOUND changes.
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 10:10 PM
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15. All you have to do is unclench your teeth without opening your mouth
and you will get a picture with a longer chin. Nothing to see here.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 10:18 PM
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16. Your ears, eyes, and nose don't change.
Sorry. I'll try to find more photos. Also, it doesn't explain the motive behind the 300 plus clues.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 10:28 PM
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20. Besides, it would be obvious. nt
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 04:46 PM
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32. Artiechoke, I like to think I am a thinking man. I admit now that ...
based on the photographic evidence, most notably the fade-ins, I now think that pre-1966 and post-1966 Paul are two different men. The length and shape of Paul's nose has changed. Paul's nose was a little bent to his right - did you notice? "Paul"'s nose is straight and right down the middle of his face.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 03:10 AM
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35. Thanks.
Edited on Wed Mar-07-07 03:11 AM by Artiechoke
Remember also, the skull/head size never change.

Penny Lane Still: First Official Beatles/Paul release after they'd stopped touring:
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jeff30997 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 10:18 PM
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17. Ahh!
Now I know why he's such a jerk!
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 10:27 PM
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19. LoL
The pre-1967 Paul had a more somber, almost melancholy look about him. And his personality was different. It seems odd that someone who was capable of writing such classics as "Yesterday" and Elanor Rigby" was later reduced to producing a huge catalogue of mediocre music.
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 12:31 AM
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33. I chalked the change in his appearance up to too many cigarettes.
He was never particularly handsome, just cute, and cute does not age well. Maybe you are right. It would explain why his solo music is so horrid.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:58 AM
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34. The skull never changes. Remember,
most of the photos being studied were taken from months apart to two years apart. I agree with you about the older Paul and tobacco ravaging, but the chin does not grow, the space between the eyes doesn't change, nor does the placement of one's ears. Notice in the "Hey Jude" stills how shiny looking the skin is, where as pre-67 Paul has rough skin. Notice hoew much longer the face is. Head size/skull size.
When you look at enough of these, the cognitive dissonance begins to erode and it becomes very clear that they are two, perhaps three different people.

It may be something as simple as the use of doubles for security or health reasons (The Show Must Go On).

Here are some compelling comparisons:
http://xoomer.alice.it/james_paul_mccartney/ref_on_ref_comparison.html

Thanks for your response!
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ClusterFreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-03-07 11:59 PM
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27. Dude...
...I believed this stuff once myself.

Then I turned 15.

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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 12:37 AM
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28. So you stopped learning
Edited on Sun Mar-04-07 12:40 AM by Artiechoke
when you turned 15? You have contributed nothing to the op except offering a quasi-insult. This is not a you believe that Paul is Dead question.
It has more to do with motives for planting the clues, the 9/11 dates, and the obvious to many fact that there was more than one person posing as Paul McCartney after 1966, when the Beatles stopped touring for good.
Perhaps the death threats were too much, and they actually wanted certain people to believe it. There are questions and some of the answers sound like "we invaded Iraq because Saddam caused 9/11. Don't you read the papers or watch the news)
Sir Paul's audience ,and the Beatle's for that matter, consists largely of Baby Boomers, not 15-year-olds.
He and A-PAUL Corpse Ltd. have continued to place related clues through the years. It's all out there. It's merely a great puzzle for me, but one that has troublesome undertones. (no pun intended)
Dude.
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ClusterFreak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:04 AM
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29. 'Paul is dead' was a gag.
Try to lighten up.

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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 01:06 AM
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30. ok. eom
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Mad_Dem_X Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 04:57 PM
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38. LOL! I never believed it
How can someone look so much like Paul and sound so much like Paul?

I am a HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUGE Beatles fan, and I never believed any of this crap. Ever. After The Beatles broke up, he did put out some weak songs...but that's because he didn't have John to bounce his ideas off of anymore! They were like yin-yang - John was bitter, Paul was sweet, together they made a great pair. Solo, their work was not as good.

Paul McCartney is still very much alive, and none of this "death" crap will ever change my mind.

/end of rant
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Crocodile Hunter Donating Member (74 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-04-07 08:59 AM
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31. It's interesting
It's pretty interesting to read about, but I don't believe the theory. But it is cool to read about it on the Internet.
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Dervill Crow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-07-07 02:02 PM
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36. The more I look at these, the more plausible it seems.
Bookmarking to check out at more length later.
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unpossibles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 09:11 AM
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39. I agree. I don't totally believe that's he's dead, BUT
I'm not sure I believe he's not either.

It's interesting, and I have seen some of this before, having grown up listening to the Beatles (my dad and older brother are huge fans). Like I said, I'm not sure I believe it, but it is interesting, and much like the 9/11 and moon landing stuff, there are some good points even if it's not true.
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Cetacea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 02:21 PM
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42. Three gay men suicided in London in three weeks.
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 02:38 PM by Artiechoke
One, the Beatles manager,who was also Jewish. But more on this later. I believe the moon landing actually happened, but as you wrote, in effect, there may have been elements in that particular conspiracy theory that are true. Perhaps other missions were faked or exaggerated due to Cold War issues.
I think there is an element to that with the "Paul is Dead" bit. For some reason, the Beatles or people above them deliberately planted a huge amount of clues with recurring themes, most that the general public and various media are not aware of. Even skeptics will admit that the limited clues that they are aware of were deliberately put there.
Their last tour in 1966 was a nightmare. They had to go about in a steel bullet-proof truck because of the amount of death threats.
Their manager was suicided . He was gay. Two other gay men, one a play write and director, were killed in a double suicide/homicide within three weeks of Beatle Manager Epstein. Jewish and gay in the '60's. Three deaths of public gay men in the same city and no investigations.

Perhaps they faked Paul's death. Perhaps they brought in a look alike who upon careful scrutiny would not be the real Paul, but enough to convince the would be killers that the Beatles were going on with the show.
Paul goes on living a quiet life , writing songs for the Beatles and others. (He was ghost writing before 1967).

Or, he was assassinated and the Beatles weren't going to let their message of Love and Peace be extinguished and decided to let the fans know through the 300 (and counting) clues .
Interesting stuff, neither provable or improvable like any good conspiracy. Perhaps a the longevity of it is just another example of the Beatles collective creative genius.

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