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AnIndependentTexan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 07:56 PM
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My God I finally figured out the media lock down
The point of locking down the media is to let all evidence die. Sean Hannity just said on AAR that you have no proof. If the news isn't reported then the truth gets lost. This is why we must fight. They believe Americans will forget the truth and then the truth will be lost.
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fearnobush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:04 PM
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1. Problem is... We got proof. Lots of it and the real juicy stuff is coming
soon.
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:04 PM
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2. I think you are 100% right on that ~
the media makes or breaks a story ~ it makes me crazy !!

I think the next "big story" (aka media distraction) will be Robert Blake's trial,,,,, I mean, they have all those expert analysts on retainer,,,,

anyway,,,, we have to keep the pressure on !!!



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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:45 PM
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6. Keep the pressure on
The media is shaping your reality and has an amazing ability not to cover the real news. For instance, don't you find it fascinating that Iraq possesses the World's second largest supply of oil and yet the media has not covered it? (When I was in France right after 9/11, Le Monde was full of stories about the American companies, including Chevron, who had been trying to lay oil pipelines through Afghanistan, to get to the oil/gas rich lands in Kazakhstan, Turmenistan & Kygystan, but the Taliban were blocking them. How Condelezza Rice was on the Board of Directors of Chevron for nine years (1991-2000). (Are we hearing from the media right now her history -- She has an oil rig named after her!?) How Dick Cheney was the Chairman of Halliburton, one of the world's leading service contractors for the oil industry. How Spencer Abraham, the energy secretary who just stepped down, spent the greater part of his career in the oil sector. How Kathleen Cooper, underscre for economic affairs had been the chief economist for Exxon. How Bush W and Bush H. are both oil executives). Duh? Not a word in the media.

Just like now. When they could be reporting the need for an investigation that will protect our vote - an investigation that could uncover a theft that could topple these oil execs from our government do they write about? THere are recounts (NC, OH, NH)bubbling up from the ground all over the place, and disturbing numbers from the voting machines and yet not a word from the media...oh, unless it's to make computer scientists into crazy "conspiricists." Oh yeah, and forget the Diebold's exec vowed to give Ohio to Bush in this election. HEck, that's old news.

Keep the pressure on.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:16 PM
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3. BEV SAID
Edited on Tue Nov-16-04 08:17 PM by Carolab
We have to BE the media

FIGURE OUT HOW!!!!!!

E-mail EVERYBODY

Print flyers with information and take them door to door or put them on windshields, in coffee shops, grocery stores, etc.

There is lots of good stuff out here now, like this:

http://www.pissedoffvoters.net/
http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/200411120011
http://www.votergate.tv

ALSO, write your representatives, write the ATTORNEYS GENERAL in Ohio, NC, New Hampshire, especially if you live in a battleground state where there are problems surfacing, and ask for investigations.



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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:18 PM
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4. And BY THE WAY
did it occur to you that Sean just wanted to come onto Air America JUST TO SAY THAT?
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 08:19 PM
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5. They learned the lesson of Watergate:
Without pesky reporters, nobody knows a thing.

Having clamped down on mass media, the bloggers are giving them such indigestion...where the hell did they come from and how can they be destroyed?
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:18 PM
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7. Something to consider. .
Paul Krugman of NYTIMES wrote at least two pieces on BBV and election Fraud. He was one of the first persons I emailed about his over a week ago. Now he normally writes a column every three and then four days a week. He has not written an article since November 5th. Here are the two that refer to election fraud:

Hack the Vote
By Paul Krugman
The New York Times

Tuesday 02 December 2003

Inviting Bush supporters to a fund-raiser, the host wrote, "I am committed to helping Ohio deliver its electoral votes to the president next year." No surprise there. But Walden O'Dell ? who says that he wasn't talking about his business operations ? happens to be the chief executive of Diebold Inc., whose touch-screen voting machines are in increasingly widespread use across the United States.

For example, Georgia ? where Republicans scored spectacular upset victories in the 2002 midterm elections ? relies exclusively on Diebold machines. To be clear, though there were many anomalies in that 2002 vote, there is no evidence that the machines miscounted. But there is also no evidence that the machines counted correctly. You see, Diebold machines leave no paper trail.

Representative Rush Holt of New Jersey, who has introduced a bill requiring that digital voting machines leave a paper trail and that their software be available for public inspection, is occasionally told that systems lacking these safeguards haven't caused problems. "How do you know?" he asks.

What we do know about Diebold does not inspire confidence. The details are technical, but they add up to a picture of a company that was, at the very least, extremely sloppy about security, and may have been trying to cover up product defects.

Early this year Bev Harris, who is writing a book on voting machines, found Diebold software ? which the company refuses to make available for public inspection, on the grounds that it's proprietary ? on an unprotected server, where anyone could download it. (The software was in a folder titled "rob-Georgia.zip.") The server was used by employees of Diebold Election Systems to update software on its machines. This in itself was an incredible breach of security, offering someone who wanted to hack into the machines both the information and the opportunity to do so.

An analysis of Diebold software by researchers at Johns Hopkins and Rice Universities found it both unreliable and subject to abuse. A later report commissioned by the state of Maryland apparently reached similar conclusions. (It's hard to be sure because the state released only a heavily redacted version.)

Meanwhile, leaked internal Diebold e-mail suggests that corporate officials knew their system was flawed, and circumvented tests that would have revealed these problems. The company hasn't contested the authenticity of these documents; instead, it has engaged in legal actions to prevent their dissemination.

Why isn't this front-page news? In October, a British newspaper, The Independent, ran a hair-raising investigative report on U.S. touch-screen voting. But while the mainstream press has reported the basics, the Diebold affair has been treated as a technology or business story ? not as a potential political scandal.

This diffidence recalls the treatment of other voting issues, like the Florida "felon purge" that inappropriately prevented many citizens from voting in the 2000 presidential election. The attitude seems to be that questions about the integrity of vote counts are divisive at best, paranoid at worst. Even reform advocates like Mr. Holt make a point of dissociating themselves from "conspiracy theories." Instead, they focus on legislation to prevent future abuses.

But there's nothing paranoid about suggesting that political operatives, given the opportunity, might engage in dirty tricks. Indeed, given the intensity of partisanship these days, one suspects that small dirty tricks are common. For example, Orrin Hatch, the chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee, recently announced that one of his aides had improperly accessed sensitive Democratic computer files that were leaked to the press.

This admission ? contradicting an earlier declaration by Senator Hatch that his staff had been cleared of culpability ? came on the same day that the Senate police announced that they were hiring a counterespionage expert to investigate the theft. Republican members of the committee have demanded that the expert investigate only how those specific documents were leaked, not whether any other breaches took place. I wonder why.

The point is that you don't have to believe in a central conspiracy to worry that partisans will take advantage of an insecure, unverifiable voting system to manipulate election results. Why expose them to temptation?

I'll discuss what to do in a future column. But let's be clear: the credibility of U.S. democracy may be at stake.

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Fear of Fraud
By Paul Krugman
The New York Times

Tuesday 27 July 1004

It's election night, and early returns suggest trouble for the incumbent. Then, mysteriously, the vote count stops and observers from the challenger's campaign see employees of a voting-machine company, one wearing a badge that identifies him as a county official, typing instructions at computers with access to the vote-tabulating software.

When the count resumes, the incumbent pulls ahead. The challenger demands an investigation. But there are no ballots to recount, and election officials allied with the incumbent refuse to release data that could shed light on whether there was tampering with the electronic records.

This isn't a paranoid fantasy. It's a true account of a recent election in Riverside County, Calif., reported by Andrew Gumbel of the British newspaper The Independent. Mr. Gumbel's full-length report, printed in Los Angeles City Beat, makes hair-raising reading not just because it reinforces concerns about touch-screen voting, but also because it shows how easily officials can stonewall after a suspect election.

Some states, worried about the potential for abuse with voting machines that leave no paper trail, have banned their use this November. But Florida, which may well decide the presidential race, is not among those states, and last month state officials rejected a request to allow independent audits of the machines' integrity. A spokesman for Gov. Jeb Bush accused those seeking audits of trying to "undermine voters' confidence," and declared, "The governor has every confidence in the Department of State and the Division of Elections."

Should the public share that confidence? Consider the felon list.

Florida law denies the vote to convicted felons. In 2000 the state hired a firm to purge supposed felons from the list of registered voters; these voters were turned away from the polls. After the election, determined by 537 votes, it became clear that thousands of people had been wrongly disenfranchised. Since those misidentified as felons were disproportionately Democratic-leaning African-Americans, these errors may have put George W. Bush in the White House.

This year, Florida again hired a private company - Accenture, which recently got a homeland security contract worth up to $10 billion - to prepare a felon list. Remembering 2000, journalists sought copies. State officials stonewalled, but a judge eventually ordered the list released.

The Miami Herald quickly discovered that 2,100 citizens who had been granted clemency, restoring their voting rights, were nonetheless on the banned-voter list. Then The Sarasota Herald-Tribune discovered that only 61 of more than 47,000 supposed felons were Hispanic. So the list would have wrongly disenfranchised many legitimate African-American voters, while wrongly enfranchising many Hispanic felons. It escaped nobody's attention that in Florida, Hispanic voters tend to support Republicans.

After first denying any systematic problem, state officials declared it an innocent mistake. They told Accenture to match a list of registered voters to a list of felons, flagging anyone whose name, date of birth and race was the same on both lists. They didn't realize, they said, that this would automatically miss felons who identified themselves as Hispanic because that category exists on voter rolls but not in state criminal records.

But employees of a company that prepared earlier felon lists say that they repeatedly warned state election officials about that very problem.

Let's not be coy. Jeb Bush says he won't allow an independent examination of voting machines because he has "every confidence" in his handpicked election officials. Yet those officials have a history of slipshod performance on other matters related to voting and somehow their errors always end up favoring Republicans. Why should anyone trust their verdict on the integrity of voting machines, when another convenient mistake could deliver a Republican victory in a high-stakes national election?

This shouldn't be a partisan issue. Think about what a tainted election would do to America's sense of itself, and its role in the world. In the face of official stonewalling, doubters probably wouldn't be able to prove one way or the other whether the vote count was distorted - but if the result looked suspicious, most of the world and many Americans would believe the worst. I'll write soon about what can be done in the few weeks that remain, but here's a first step: if Governor Bush cares at all about the future of the nation, as well as his family's political fortunes, he will allow that independent audit. "
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So, I'm wondering if he is working on this. Surely he had more of a base knowledge on this than the rest of folks like me who hadn't learned about it till AFTER the election and smelled something fishy.

<sigh>
I'm at my wit's end. I have donated even more money to this endeavor, but the ones with the money AND the "political capital" to make this a credible issue are silent. And it's THEIR job to inform us, not the other way around. I so desperately want to go back to some semblance of normal living. . it's been three long years of hating Bush.





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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:26 PM
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8. Paul krugman is on sabbatical from NYT-- he announced it a week or so
ago. He is full time faculty at Princeton, btw....He also has a website:
http://www.wws.princeton.edu/~pkrugman/
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Donailin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:29 PM
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9. Well a fine time he picked to sabat
goddammit.
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Action Jackson Donating Member (103 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:38 PM
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11. well he needs to write something NOW.
We need him! Today I just realized I haven't heard from him in a while. How can he let us down?
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 09:36 PM
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10. Poor Max Cleland
Krugman said the GA 2002 election was whacky -- that explains poor Max - That was 02 ?
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