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ChelseaCenior Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 06:22 PM
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Blame
I blame Florida for Bush
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 06:23 PM
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1. I like you
I'm gonna miss you ...............
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 06:25 PM
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2. LOL!
Hello goodbye!

:rofl:
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 06:27 PM
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3. Subtle .........
It's not there, is it?

:hi:
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 07:42 PM
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4. Wow. Now that was deep. And so incomplete.
I would suggest, while you're still here, reading some of the other threads. If you can go back in this forum, I would go back to November 5, 2004. Start there, read to today and then post another thread.

Or not.
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ChelseaCenior Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 08:12 PM
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5. Why?
Give me the condensed version.
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Fly by night Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-17-09 09:07 PM
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6. Here's the CliffNotes version, if actually reading something is too much.:
Edited on Fri Apr-17-09 09:08 PM by Fly by night
Watch the following DVDs (all of which are available on line):

Eternal Vigilance
The Right to Count
Stealing America: Vote by Vote
Uncounted: The New Math of American Elections
Murder, Spies and Voting Lies

Then get back to me about where the blame lies for Bush.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 12:17 AM
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7. I blame the American People
we are like the



we fight amongst ourselves, when we all know the proper way to count ballots in an election. It's not mechanical and most certainly it is not with electronic vote counting methods.

We all bicker like the



while the rich people continue to count our votes in secret.

You go ahead and blame Florida but I blame the American people. We have the INTERNET and still we get convinced by other people that machines should count our votes.



:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-18-09 08:57 AM
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8. I blame Bush (Jeb) for FL.
He's the one that authorized the ex-felon lists, etc.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 02:41 AM
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9. If you blame one man and or one state you
allow the crooks at the heart of the election manipulation/vote counting go unnoticed. The blame should go to the crooks in charge of all of the electronic and mechanical machines that supposedly "count ballots". The American people are crazy for letting this continue.

We have the microphone!

Think we will ever use it?

My two cents. :)
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ChelseaCenior Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 02:38 PM
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12. !
Great point!
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Sancho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Apr-23-09 03:53 PM
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15. ditto, ditto, ditto!!!
:applause:
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SlingBlade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 10:53 AM
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10. Welcome to Democratic Underground ChelseaCenior
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ChelseaCenior Donating Member (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-19-09 02:37 PM
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11. = )
Why Thank You!
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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 01:48 AM
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13. and so do I.
Its just natural, after all that is where the agony was so prolonged,
even if the problems were systematic and in many other states as well.

Florida - 2000
Ohio - 2004

Both painful to watch.

Obama only beat McCain by about 14,000 votes in North Carolina, so we know that every vote
has to be counted and counted accurately. With around 3,000 voting locations in our state, it wouldn't take many votes to sway things.

We know that many or most atates had a problem and that transparency is still a major
crying out loud shame, from voting machines to audits to voter rolls, to gerrymandering.

But we have to keep working.
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kster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Apr-20-09 04:17 AM
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14. You blame Florida for Bush?
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-24-09 09:19 AM
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16. I blame the Money Party and their corporate co-horts. By your reasoning then you blame my state
of Ohio as well for 2004. Many of us fought valiantly to expose what occurred but had no help with the complicit media and even many of the members of our own party. I believe their are members of both parties who do not want to lose control of their power and are willing to go to all lengths to keep it.

I am convinced that the failure of the DLC to acknowledge Gore's win in 2000 (in fact they blame his "loss" on breaking with the DLC and becoming a populist-i'll post a link below) and their active role in keeping Kerry from challenging Ohio in 2004(thanks to Clinton ally James Carville (also posted below) was calculated as to allow a HRC run in '08. If either would have taken the office they won, then HRC and her corporate cronies would not have had a chance in 2008. Also look how they try to undermine Howard Dean. Anyway, here are some links:

FIRST..GORE BROKE WITH THE DLC TO BECOME A POPULIST:

Published on Sunday, August 20. 2000 in the Boston Globe
Thank You, Al Gore
by Robert Kuttner
A funny thing happened to Al Gore on the way to his surprisingly effective acceptance speech. He became a liberal.

The speech was as liberal as anything FDR or LBJ or Jesse Jackson or one of the Kennedys might have delivered. It was built around a commitment to fight for ordinary people, against large and powerful interests. This, of course, is precisely what made it effective.

The emotional heart of the speech, Gore's honoring of four ordinary American lives, did not just salute the struggles of workaday families, the way Ronald Reagan often did. It identified who was dishonoring their struggles - corporations. He singled out heartless HMOs who pressure a family to sacrifice a child; drug companies that force a pensioner to choose between food and medicine; corporate polluters; corporations that pay workers inadequate wages.

And he identified the solution: strong, reliable public Social Security; better Medicare; welfare reform that rewards work rather than punishing the needy; higher minimum wages; and more investment in public - not voucher - schools, so that working families don't have to send kids to crumbling classrooms.

What is the evil? Corporate power. What is the remedy? Effective government.

-snip
http://www.commondreams.org/views/082000-105.htm

SECOND, AFTER GORE'S WIN THEY BLAME HIS 'LOSS' ON BREAKING WITH THE DLC:

Strange Theory on Why Gore Lost



The so-called Democratic Leadership Council has decided that Al Gore should have acted more like a Republican in order to win the 2000 presidential electoral college vote in addition to his nationwide popular vote victory. This strange finding has drawn some attention, including coverage by the Associated Press and the Environmental News Service -- we have a few excerpts from their reports for you here.
Al Gore, the self-styled environmental candidate in the 2000 Presidential election, lost his bid for the White House because he campaigned on an outdated "populist" platform that was too liberal for most Americans, according to a new report drafted by the Democratic Leadership Council.

The 40-page report, titled "Why Gore Lost, And How Democrats Can Come Back," concludes that the Democratic Party must move towards the political right -- towards the Republicans -- if it wants to regain control of Congress in 2002 and the White House in 2004.

Al From, the DLC's founder and CEO, opened a freewheeling discussion forum by arguing that Democrat Al Gore made a huge tactical mistake by continually emphasizing that he would "fight for the people and not the powerful" as the nation's first president of the 21st Century.

-snip

http://www.progress.org/goredlc2.htm

AND FINALLY, CLINTON ALLY JAMES CARVILLE'S ROLE IN THE QUICK KERRY CONCESSION:

Did Carville Tip Bush Off to Kerry Strategy (Woodward)


By M.J. Rosenberg | bio




On page 344, Woodward describes the doings at the White House in the early morning hours of Wednesday, the day after the '04 election.

Apparently, Kerry had decided not to concede. There were 250,000 outstanding ballots in Ohio.

So Kerry decides to fight. In fact, he considers going to Ohio to camp out with his voters until there is a recount. This is the last thing the White House needs, especially after Florida 2000.

-snip

"Carville told her he had some inside news. The Kerry campaign was going to challenge the provisional ballots in Ohio -- perhaps up to 250,000 of them. 'I don't agree with it, Carville said. I'm just telling you that's what they're talking about.'

-snip

http://www.tpmcafe.com/blog/coffeehouse/2006/oct/07/did...

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WillYourVoteBCounted Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-25-09 01:48 AM
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17. twitter much?
very succinct point.
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