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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:54 AM
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"The problem with Premier machines pales next to the debacle with punch-card voting in 2000-WTF!
REST ASSURED DEAR VOTERS THE GLITCH HAS BEEN FOUND, OR SO SAYS THE RW FISHWRAP COLS DISPATCH:

Dropped, then caught
Discovery of electronic-voting flaw helps ensure November election will be accurate
Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:27 AM

The story of electronic-voting glitches in Ohio is likely to have a happy ending, thanks to the diligence of elections officials at the state and county levels.

Efforts by the Secretary of State Jennifer Brunner and Butler County officials helped bring a previously undetected computer-programming error to light. Some votes in the March 4 primary had been dropped in Butler and eight other counties using touch-screen machines supplied by Premier Election Solutions, formerly Diebold Election Systems.

The glitches occurred under certain circumstances as memory cards were uploaded to computer servers. The votes were later recovered. Butler County officials were the first to notice the problem.

Premier acknowledged last week that a source-code error caused votes to be missing. Previously, the Texas-based company believed the dropped votes resulted from a conflict between its system and antivirus software but changed its position after additional testing was done.

-snip

In time, Ohio and other states will need to determine which electronic-voting systems are the most reliable. But every type of voting is subject to problems. The problem with Premier Elections Solutions machines pales next to the debacle with punch-card voting in the 2000 presidential vote in Florida.

http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2008/08/24/dropvotes.ART_ART_08-24-08_G4_E4B3PTJ.html?sid=101

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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 09:00 AM
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1. If the Repubs had not sent a plane load of disruptors
those hanging chad votes could have been counted.

There's no way the dropped votes can be counted now.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 09:04 AM
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2. I sent the Ed board the latest Scientific American Article along with this letter:
Edited on Sun Aug-24-08 09:08 AM by mod mom
As the headline explains in the August 17, 2008 editorial , "Suspicions of Ohio's voting systems are unwarranted and shouldn't worry voters", the Columbus Dispatch editorial board attempts to assure readers that all is safe with our voting system. Perhaps the board might want to do a little research including the most recent issue of Scientific American, 8/18/2008, entitled "Planning to E-Vote? Read this First" that suggests just the opposite. This article backs up studies by the GAO and Ohio's commissioned "Everest Report".

The Help America Vote Act (HAVA) was an epic failure pouring billions of tax dollars into a system that is not secure, not accurate and subject to tampering. Our elections are too important to allow a dysfunctional system to continue. It's time to address the problem head on and move forward to correct it.


AND STILL THEY PRINT THIS CRAP!


Planning to E-Vote? Read This First

With less than three months before the presidential election, the hotly contested state, Ohio, along with others, continue to have problems with E-voting technology

By Larry Greenemeier

from the article:

Suspecting problems with all of the e-voting technology that had so far cost Ohio $112 million, Brunner last year commissioned Project EVEREST, a comprehensive security review of the electronic voting technology used throughout Ohio, to identify any problems that might make elections vulnerable to tampering. During the 10-week project, teams of academic researchers from Pennsylvania State University, the University of Pennsylvania and WebWise Security (a security firm formed in 2005 by faculty and students from the University of California, Santa Barbara's security research group) examined DRE touch-screen and optical-scan voting systems from Premier,Election Systems and Software (ES&S) in Omaha, Neb., and Austin, Tex.–based Hart InterCivic as well as the software that manages these systems.

EVEREST researchers found exploitable security weaknesses in all three vendors' systems, Brunner said in a statement when the project concluded in December. "Many of these vulnerabilities represent practical threats to the integrity of elections as they are conducted in Ohio," she said. "We found vulnerabilities in different vendor systems that would, for example, allow voters and poll workers to place multiple votes, to infect the precinct with virus software or to corrupt previously cast votes—sometimes irrevocably."

"None of the systems out there are even remotely adequate given the importance of the data they handle," saysPatrick McDaniel, a Penn State professor of information security who led the EVEREST testing. A lot of the attacks that McDaniel and his team tested could be carried out at a polling place or county elections office in a matter of seconds. An example: when researchers placed a piece of white tape over part of an e-voting system's scanner, they were able to effectively block it from reading the entire ballot. In other words, a person could put the tape in a place that kept the system from counting votes for a particular candidate. The team also found that the keys to unlock Hart's ballot box could also be used to open the ballot boxes on the Premier systems.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=electronic-election-day#comments



Examples of Voting System Vulnerabilities and Problems
• Cast ballots, ballot definition files, and audit logs
could be modified.
• Supervisor functions were protected with weak
or easily guessed passwords.
• Systems had easily picked locks and power
switches that were exposed and unprotected.
• Local jurisdictions misconfigured their
electronic voting systems, leading to
election day problems.
• Voting systems experienced operational
failures during elections.
• Vendors installed uncertified electronic
voting systems.

http://www.gao.gov/highlights/d05956high.pdf
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Frances Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 09:15 AM
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3. I know that no way of voting is fool proof
but my husband and I vote absentee.

We made this decision when my husband tried to vote and wasn't on the list of eligible voters (we had moved and somehow my name made it on but his didn't)

At least this way we find out ahead of time if our name is off the list of eligible voters.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 09:25 AM
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4. Purges has been an effective way of suppressing the Democratic vote in the past.
The GOP uses many forms of dirty trick to disenfranchise folks (including targeting foreclosure lists this election), but that is a whole different issue from the problems of e-voting.

I voted paper ballot in March, but now hear it is inputted into the DRE by poll workers, thus adding another element where a vote can be changed. It's so frustrating!
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 10:09 AM
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5. Depending on how this problem is handled, that may be true.
If the whole of this problem is the memory cards unable to accurately report results to a central tabulator, don't use it. A print out of the precinct machine could be used instead. That doesn't vouch for the printout's accuracy but it gets the memory card out of the way.

Funny that this is along the lines of what Bev Harris demonstrated for Howard Dean. It also is ironic that in 2006 Holt had a precinct tabulation bill he did little to push and failed to reintroduce. It would have enacted procedures that would have caught such a problem as a matter of routine.

Knowing this problem exist is sufficient to sponsor a go around. Not necessarily true with the punch card issue.

I think the most significant feature of this latest bug is the public being informed that the voting system is "crap". And I think that's happening.

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Stevepol Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 03:02 PM
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6. K&R!
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 04:55 PM
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7. FLORIDA? What about the OHIO PUNCH CARDS?
At least in Florida, AFAIK, they don't rotate the ballot orders in the SAME FUCKING POLLING PLACE! We know that thousands of votes were switched in Ohio due to this crappy design, and there was no way to switch them back once the cards were chucked into the wrong precincts!

So I agree that this little GEMS bug may not be as bad as the punch cards, but I'm talking about O-frickin'-HIO's punch cards -- not Florida 2000's!
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:20 PM
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8. " The story of electronic-voting glitches in Ohio is likely to have a happy ending..."
Thanks for going after the paper for promulgating this kind of crap, mod mom.
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:25 PM
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9. I try but they won't publish my ltte anymore. Still I send the reporters pertinent
material. We're still "conspiracy mongers" to them despite all the investigative studies showing problems. It's like Republicans don't even care about blatant lies as long as the sheeple buy it.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:36 PM
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10. Maybe you could write a piece for OpEdNews,
calling out the paper's pattern of erroneous coverage.

I'm sure you could get a hand from DUers who publish at OpEdNews frequently, like autorank or calimary.

:thumbsup:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 08:56 PM
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11. I've had things published there. We have good dedicated election integrity journalists
around my neck of the woods in Bob and Harvey-I'll leave the writing to them. I'm working w the Dem Party this year on election protection trying to bridge the gap between us coincidence theorists and the party.

I'm also a busy mom which is very time consuming. Thanks, though for the suggestion, bleever. :hi:
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-24-08 09:01 PM
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12. Not just a mom,
but thoroughly mod.

Deep thanks for all your work in Ohio.
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