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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:29 AM
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Ohio Secretary of State confirms 2004 election could have been stolen
December 14, 2007 at 15:54:31

Ohio Secretary of State confirms 2004 election could have been stolen

by Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman Page 1 of 2 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com




Ohio Secretary of State confirms 2004 election could have been stolen
by Bob Fitrakis & Harvey Wasserman
December 14, 2007

Ohio's Secretary of State announced this morning that a $1.9 million official study shows that "critical security failures" are embedded throughout the voting systems in the state that decided the 2004 election. Those failures, she says, "could impact the integrity of elections in the Buckeye State." They have rendered Ohio's vote counts "vulnerable" to manipulation and theft by "fairly simple techniques."

Indeed, she says, "the tools needed to compromise an accurate vote count could be as simple as tampering with the paper audit trail connector or using a magnet and a personal digital assistant."

In other words, Ohio's top election official has finally confirmed that the 2004 election could have been easily stolen.

Brunner's stunning findings apply to electronic voting machines used in 58 of Ohio's 88 counties, in addition to scanning devices and central tabulators used on paper ballots in much of the rest of the state.

more at:
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera_bob_fitr_071214_ohio_secretary_of_st.htm
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flashl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:37 AM
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1. In 2004, voter verification groups
knew it, had the data and confirmed lack of integrity in Ohio vote count, it didn't require a $1.9 million official study.

Miracles of miracles, just in time, before another election, we get a mea culpa to restore our faith in the corrupt election process.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:49 AM
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2. You Could See It in That &$%@ Blackwell's Face
Blackwell, Ohio's Secretary of State and thus in charge of the election, was also the head of Bush's re-election effort in Ohio. Conflict of interest, much?

The night of the election, when Ohio was close, Blackwell was on the TV laughing his ass off, and assuring the newspeople that Bush would win Ohio. I took one look at his huge shit-eating grin, and thought "Holy crap, the fix is in".
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:55 AM
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9. Like Harris In Florida
She was Secretary of State in 2000, and also heading up Dubya's campaign co-chair.

BUT, I don't necessarily think being confident in election results means there is a fix. It's kind of like when some one gets really mad at some one else and says, "I'll kill you." If the person who was threatened turns up dead, it doesn't mean the one who spoke those words did it.

Political people are always saying they are going to win, and they do it even when things look bleak for their candidates.
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:55 AM
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11. It Was More Than Confidence
His body language was loud and clear - he had screwed us.
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flying_wahini Donating Member (856 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 07:58 AM
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3. It's a wrap! Good thing we found out so that we can "prevent"
it next time.....

these people that did that should go to jail.

for a very very very very long time.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:40 AM
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4. Who says "Exit polls don't follow the results"
Heck in other countries they take to the streets when they don't
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:45 AM
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5. Very few people in America know that Ohio did not count it's votes
"Blackwell, who was defeated in a 2006 race for the Ohio governorship, outsourced web hosting responsibilities for the 2004 vote count to a programming firm that also programmed the web site for the 2000 Bush-Cheney campaign. Blackwell's chosen host site for the state's vote count was in the basement of the Old Pioneer Bank Building in Chattanooga, Tennessee, where the servers for the Republican National Committee, and the Bush White House, were also located."

Freaking Karl Rove was counting the Ohio vote.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:20 AM
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14. Ohio counties counted the votes. The results were displayed online by a hosting service
contracted by Ohio. This was due to the Ohio servers not being capable of the high demand on election night.

There is a scandal in this arrangement, cronyism. However, it is incorrect to state that Ohio did not count its own votes (albeit not as cast). These authors have cleened up their previous phrasing of this issue to correct for their past errors and overreaching. It seems that error has not yet been fully expunged from the debate. It is a distraction from the real fraud (see post #12 herein).
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:46 AM
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15. To think that the server that hosted the data in Chattanooga, TN
was not used to manipulate and or observe vote data by Karl Rove & company
is a big leap of faith for me. I remember early in the AM on 11/3/04 @
Kerry's hotel in Columbus ..... we were watching the returns on some secure
lines and then bam ... it was like you flipped a switch the vote started coming
in 70, 80, 90%+ for bush.

Blackwell's story that the state's computers were not capable of keeping up
with the large demands put on it during election night is a crock of crap.
Why would the state buy computers that could not do their most important job?
Also adding 1 + 1 + 1 .... = is very simple for a computer to do even with 5.4 million
votes.

Ohio 2004 was a death by a thousands cuts .... vote shifting, voter caging, machine
shortages, forcing people to vote provisionally who were already registered, vote
flips @ the machine level, ghost votes, and something went on @ the county level
for the central tabulators.
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 02:09 PM
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18. huh?
Blackwell's story that the state's computers were not capable of keeping up with the large demands put on it during election night is a crock of crap. Why would the state buy computers that could not do their most important job? Also adding 1 + 1 + 1 .... = is very simple for a computer to do even with 5.4 million votes.

Aren't we talking about web servers?

I don't know what returns you were watching on secure lines in the early AM, but from what I remember seeing on the SoS website in the late PM, Bush was ahead the whole way. Whatever may have happened to the count, I don't think it hinged on making some mid-course correction around midnight, or tampering with the numbers on the server.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 03:25 PM
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19. Doesn't a web server handle file systems?
A wouldn't the file systems from Ohio handle data content that
related to the vote count in Ohio? And could not somebody skilled
in Computers retrieve that data from the server? Not to mention
just the "look of" not being neutral .... Ken Blackwell was running
Ohio's vote through Smartech which also handled bush/Cheney '04
The RNC, and the "secret" e-mail system (off the books) gwb43.com.
And why did Ken Blackwell's server not have the capacity to handle the
vote? Under HAVA he should have had enough money to buy anything
he needed. Blackwell also shipped the data up to a server in Richfield,
OH 1st so it had an Ohio address and then it went to TN.

And no it wasn't just 1 thing but all day we had reports of a landslide
across the country Florida, Iowa, New Mexico, Nevada, and Ohio ...
Karen Hughes went and told bush he had lost @ about 7:00 PM but he laughed
and Karl Rove was the only person with his special people and polls
that called it for bush.


What I saw that night/early morning will be with me till I die ... I can't remember
when but for about 1/2 an hour it did not matter what state, city, county, or precinct
the votes were coming 70 to 90%+ for bush.


Sorry to ramble but back to Ohio 04 the parameters were:
More registered dems than repugs (not much but more)
New voter registrations were running almost 10 to 1 for Kerry
325,000 v 30,000
Ohio had lost more jobs from 2000 to 2004 than any other state
(economic well being is the #1 factor in voter behavior)
And the exit poll posted on CNN @ 1:07 AM 11/3
Female voters 52 to 48% Kerry.
Male voters 49 to 47.5% Kerry.

I am just a landscaper but pray I live long enough to see the crooks
behind Ohio 2004 in jail.







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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:53 PM
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22. shrug
Could people retrieve vote count data from the web servers? Sure. Pretty much the whole purpose of a web server is to let people retrieve data. One could even tamper with the server to distribute incorrect vote totals. This wouldn't ultimately affect the result -- the counties had independent vote counts -- but it could conceivably be useful for tactical advantage. I know of no evidence that this actually happened.

The issue is not handling the vote -- it's handling lots and lots of requests for vote updates in real time. Now, for all I know, Blackwell was able to do this in house, in which case farming it out to good friends in Tennessee looks even worse. But it's not facially crazy to think that they might need some extra bandwidth every two or four years.

I have no idea what you were seeing for half an hour, so I won't contest it, but in the final Ohio returns, very few precincts were far out of trend. (L Coyote can tell you about some of the ones that were.) In most cases, if there was miscount, it was subtle -- not historically 50-50 precincts going 70-30.

Lots of strange and/or bad stuff happened in Ohio in 2004, and I wouldn't mind seeing some people put away for some of it. I don't share your confidence that it cost Kerry the election. Oh well.

Right now I'm worried about 2008. Are Ohio registration lists going to be OK? Is Ohio going to secure its ballots, count them transparently, and then recount enough of them to support confidence in the initial count? There is lots of work to be done.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 09:23 AM
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24. Thanx for the info
As far as I know the vote data handling in Ohio 2004 went as follows:

Precinct level voting .... data to the county BOEs after close of vote ..... data into each county's
vote tabulation system ..... county level vote totals to the Sec. of States office.

Now as far as the information about the vote count it looks like it went from Columbus, OH
to a server in Richfield, OH and from there to Smartech in Chattanooga, TN .... and then
back to the Sec. of State's Office and up on Ken Blackwell's web site.

As far seeing people put away for their criminal acts in 2004 in Ohio .... that is very doubtful
but one can hope.

On 2004 Ohio and did deliberate acts cost John Kerry the state .... I saw and heard too
much with my own eyes and ears for me not to believe that is the case. Sadly w/ 56
of the 88 county BOEs destroying their ballots, log books, and extra ballots despite
a federal judge's order to maintian those records exposing the crimes will be hard.

As for 2008 I feel very good having Jennifer Brunner as our Sec. of State .... I know
her personally .... however the republican control the state's house & senate and they
will fight her tooth and nail.

peace
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 09:42 AM
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25. yeah, Brunner is in for some adventures
I have some concerns about the recommendations in this latest report -- but some great work went into it. Some folks are saying, 'Well, we knew that all along,' which is true in a broad sense -- but what they miss is the steady chipping away at the vendor myth that 'oh, that could never happen in an actual election.'

Mind you, I don't think much of what was documented in this report could have happened in 2004 -- most of the state didn't use this equipment. But it's about the future. One cautiously optimistic note: I think Brunner can pick up some Republican votes on these issues if she continues to do careful work. She basically got bipartisan teams to agree that there are serious problems with the equipment in place.
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 10:27 AM
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26. Many in the Ohio House & Senate will fight her ...
... they "know" they have been cheating and like it that way. I don't
know if you know about HB 3 which they rammed through in late
2005/early 2006 .... Voter ID but also .... you can't look @ the machines
hardware & software ..... recounts much harder .... no forensic analysis
of the vote. Hell, "they" and the Columbus Dispatch worked real
hard to keep Brunner from runnig the tests .... The Columbus Dispatch
wrote, "Well some of these people have found faults in voting machines
other places so they want to find faults in Ohio too." very very rough
quote.

As far as using the machines to cheat in 2004 .... i have know doubt that
it was done .... on 11/15/04 I gave a sworn statement as to what I saw and
heard on election day and the day after .... the room was packed and many
people said the same thing ..... "My Kerry vote made the bush light go on
(on the voting mchine)." In Franklin County the machine were Danaher in 2004
I don't know what they were in Mahoning County ... but 82 of 86 machines there
flipped votes.

I rode polls and did voter protection in 2006 in the south part of Columbus ...
EES machines were used .... Every polling place had some sort of problem w/
@ least one machine .... having them "zero out" in the AM was the big one.

As far as I am concerned they all need to be dumped in the river.






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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 12:44 PM
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27. RE: "about the vote count it looks like it .." Here is how it worked.
I do this professionally and have taught it at colleges.

The data is added in a database on an Ohio State server, as counties report their central tabulation.

Periodically, the web server receives an update from the State server. The Web server is static between updates.

Each county knows its own unofficial totals and observers know them too.

Again, this is a huge manufactured distraction that followed on release of the findings in the above study and the inauguration of the Ohio investigations. The incoming Dems in Ohio state offices began an almost immediate inquiry, within days of that release, while concentrating efforts on future elections of course. Their primary focus is on ensuring regularity in future elections, as it should be. Personnel were brought in to work on this exclusively.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:28 PM
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21. We are not working on faith, rather IT knowledge, and knowledge of how the votes were switched.
And, we know this was a big diversion created to distract from what we know.

I am directly involved in the Ohio investigation. I know the evidence. And, I know IT.

Trust me :rofl:
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Botany Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:57 PM
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29. And, we know this was a big diversion ???????
I think it is part of the puzzle just like the study you site that
argues for the 6.15 point shift of the vote.

Now Blackwell worked very hard to make sure the data was
hosted by Smartech in Chattanooga, TN. He even tried to
hide it by running first through Richfield, OH and then on
to TN. Why if this is a diversion did "they" try to hide it?

Did this allow Rove and company to look @ the Data before it was posted
on the Sec. of State's web site?

Ohio 2004 was a multi-pronged attack on the idea that 1 person should
be able to cast 1 vote and that vote would be counted.

BTW I talked w/ a lawyer in Columbus who was involved in the count
and post election analysis that Cuyahoga County had some really long
"runs" of thousands of votes were not 1 vote was recorded to Kerry.
He told me that this was from pre-punched ballots for bush or a 3rd
party candidate and when somebody punched the ballot for Kerry the
machine "read" 2 votes for president and "nulled out" that ballot.
What do you know of this?







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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:05 AM
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6. Ya think?
Someday it will just be common knowledge, the depth of Republican dirty tricks that tainted our last two elections. It will be way too late to do anything about it, of course. It already is.

The theft of 2000 was blatant and obvious. 2004 was much more covert, and perpetrated in many more areas, using multiple methods, but it happened both times just the same. Those of us who were paying attention know it - knew it as it was happening.

But how many really pay attention?
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Jensen Donating Member (866 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:10 AM
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7. God...It makes me cry all over again!
:cry:
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:30 AM
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8. No kidding?
It seems I've heard that before somewhere?:eyes:
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 10:16 AM
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10. Sue the bastards and get back the taxpayers money!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:08 AM
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12. This is just the beginning, the forward focus on current machines.
In discussions with the Brunner Secretary of State's office, while cooperating with investigating the 2004 voting irregularities, I was informed that a primary focus was forward looking, on taking office immediately focusing on fixing the situation to ensure integrity of future elections.

This article reflects that aspect of the investigations, reporting on machines in use. In 2004 only 15.6% of votes were cast on e-vote machines, only 12% were cast on op-scan machines. Seven of 88 counties e-voted, 13 counties had op-scan voting, and 68 counties used punch card ballots with centralized county tabulation. As such, this report does not reflect the problems with three-quarters of the voting. That is the backward-looking aspect of the investigations, analysis of the voting using machines no longer in use.

The voting irregularities on punch card voting are equally alarming, if not moreso. Moreso because they were going on for a decade without detection, because they represent three-quarters of the Ohio vote, and because of the various simple means by which votes were switched. This study:

The 2004 Ohio Presidential Election: Cuyahoga County Analysis
How Kerry Votes Were Switched to Bush Votes
http://jqjacobs.net/politics/ohio.html



was ignored by Blackwell, and continues to be ignored by the United Stated Department of Justice, in particular the Federal Bureau of Investigation and the United States Attorney for the Northern District of Ohio. However, Ohio's Secretary of State Office under Brunner took an immediate interest in the results and in the methods developed by the study.

The study developed a new methodology to analyze vote-switching that would otherwise not be noticeable. That method is applicable to other Ohio punch card counties, races, and elections including in previous years. Anyone can use it to analyze any county or year for that matter. The Ohio Secretary of State makes official election results available online. The 2004 results are found at http://www.sos.state.oh.us/sos/ElectionsVoter/Results2004.aspx.

Using the new descriptive statistical methodology (a no margin of error method), the Cuyahoga County Analysis found in a subset of 166,953 votes, one of every 34 Ohio voters, the Kerry-Bush margin shifts 6.15% when the population is sorted by outcomes of wrong-precinct voting. From the study:

Further Study

Another potentially useful aspect of the election for determining numbers of cross-votes, particularly those not evident using results for one race, might be statistical comparison with down-ticket races using cross-voting probability sorts such as those herein. Precinct level pairing of cross-voting in diverse races could be analyzed. Comparison with 2006 results may reveal patterns of change correlating to vote-switch probability patterns in 2004.

This study has not considered the history of decisions that created the Cuyahoga County election. Given the irregularities noted, the decisions in that process, particularly organization of precincts, ballot orders, and locations, and why these factors combined as they did to Bush's advantage, should receive official review in the light of the post-election results evidencing cross-precinct voting. Because the situation resulted in election results different from the votes cast, an official inquiry into all aspects of the process should take place. In particular, the strong correlation between minority populations and both non-vote percentages and cross-voting also requires a civil rights investigation.

Given the number of switched-votes in Cuyahoga County, results in other Ohio counties and elections should also be analyzed for irregularities wherever more than one ballot order was employed at a punch card voting location. The same needs to be accomplished for past Ohio elections. Also, statistical analysis may reveal the patterns produced by switching ballots to precincts with different ballot orders to effect vote-switching.

I did not anticipate the complexities of Cuyahoga County's election organization, the resultant amount of work required to fully and accurately answer the questions I first posed, and the evidence of irregularities. The number of Ohio Kerry votes switched to Bush votes remains to be fully quantified. While a precise answer is unattainable, statistical analysis can provide a useful answer. Cross-vote outcome probability sorting allows quantification of the impact. The number is far more than I initially thought, and more than would be expected under random circumstances.

January 27, 2007. At this writing, analyses, study, and editing of this article continue. Nonetheless, this material needs to be available for the new semester. I will continue updating. The spreadsheets display various analyses not yet presented herein. Focus, in particular, on the highlighted cells for the most pertinent results. More charts are also found in the spreadsheets.


Conclusions

In 2004, the Ohio Presidential voting results do not accurately reflect voter intentions. In Cuyahoga County, the election was flawed and the design appears to have been manipulated. At locations with several ballot orders in use, many votes were cast by voters crossing precincts, hence counted other than as intended. At precincts with the highest Kerry support, the percentage of uncounted votes is inexplicably high. The obvious inference—intentional manipulation produced concentrated undercounting, cross-voting, and vote-switching in areas of highest Kerry support—cannot be ignored in the face of the evidence and statistics. The possibilty that ballots were switched to different precincts, post-voting to effect vote-switching, must also be considered.

Many individual ballots resulted in a vote-switch, a two-vote margin difference from the intended result. Switched-votes cast for Kerry and counted for Bush had twice the impact as their actual occurence, by each subtracting one from Kerry and adding one to Bush. Bush and Kerry votes also went uncounted as non-votes or were miscounted as minor candidate votes. A high percentage of all Cuyahoga County votes were cast at locations with multiple ballot orders. The manner in which precincts and ballot orders were combined increased the probability of a Kerry cross-vote being recorded as a Bush vote. Quantitative analyses of candidate votes and of non-vote percentages evidence the cross-voting and the patterns of cross-voting and vote-switching.

Sorting locations and precincts to their specific cross-voting probability subsets reveals intended voting patterns and the degree of cross-voting. The combinations of ballot orders and precincts at polling locations enables quantitative analysis of cross-voting and vote-switching. The complexity of the election's organization—the great number of combinations of ballot orders and locations—also makes the task of determining the number of cross-votes laborious and complex. While that process is not concluded herein, the procedures so far taken in this study define the process. This process may be more easily applied to other Ohio counties given less-complex ballot order combinations.

Any official inquiry into the 2004 irregularities needs to be independent of political interests, and monitored by political interests. The fact that the irregularities discussed herein are known and have been reported to multiple jurisdictions and law enforcement entities, and yet no official inquiry into the election has occurred, illustrates the broader failure of the current election process and judicial system to respond to election fraud and irregularties or to hold officials accountable for their actions. Polling places should never have been arranged such as in Ohio, with multiple ballot orders and separate casting and counting devices. Measures are required to prevent the possibility of similar future flawed election designs. To this end, control of elections should be removed from competing political interests and actors to politically-independent processes, with at the least, independent and political oversight of elections.

Many more conclusions remain to be made as study and analysis continues. The 2004 Ohio election ballots must be preserved to allow further investigations. If this study illustrates anything, hopefully it is the degree to which this problem has not yet been fully considered, and the complete failure of officials to respond. During an era of new voting system technologies and reforms, careful consideration of past errors may prove useful in avoiding their repetition and in preventing future abuses of process and power.

The 2004 Ohio Presidential election remains to be fully investigated. The blatant evidence of irregularities and unfairness of organization continues to be ignored by the authorities who have been informed of the evidence.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 01:57 PM
Response to Reply #12
17. If the guilty weren't punished and there's no real criminal
investigation; crime does indeed pay and there is no incentive for them to stop other than the inevitable military coup when the
military gets tired of wars for the enrichment of the elite political donors.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 08:25 PM
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20. Maybe that scenario played out already, albeit for other reasons, in 1963.
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MissWaverly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-16-07 01:22 PM
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28. I don't buy that
I think that this is do to the Neocon movement and the merger of corporate and government interests. The telecoms spy on innocent
Americans and the government protects them, KBR and Halliburton run amok in Iraq and we pay them with US Tax Dollars. We have spent
900 million to private companies for dubious election results and those that were elected protect these companies. It reminds
me of tweedle dum and tweedle dee, they are so inner twined it is impossible to tell where the accountability begins and where it
ends. Which is the ventriloquist and which is the innocent dummy? All I know is that it's wrong, we have ended up with a polluted
country, no oversight on the safety of our imports, our food and water, our roads, our mines, our levees, the list is endless.
All I know is that the government is no represents the common good but corporate profit.
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texpatriot2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 11:15 AM
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13. "Could have" ? ... it was stolen nm
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femrap Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 12:33 PM
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16. K and R
$100 million for corporate machines that cheat. Just give us a piece of paper and a pen. And I don't care if it takes a week to count the damn votes.

Go Brunner!
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riqster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-15-07 09:28 PM
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23. Brunner is going slowly and steadily
...building her case on bedrock. She is fighting an entrenched bureacracy, corruption, and an apathetic public. I salute her.

:patriot:
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