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bigbluestate Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:26 PM
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How will a recount help us? Aid my understanding.
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 09:27 PM by bigbluestate
Besides NH thats getting a hand recount. Florida and Ohio will not be getting any recounts other then a machine recount.

If the machines are "fixed" and its true fraud, how will a recount of the "fixed votes" help us?

How can no paper trail recount help us? In those areas without it?

If provisional ballots and undervotes are being thrown away as we speak, how can they be part of the recount if they are in the landfill?

If after the recount happends and everything is the same (give or take a few votes) what happends next?

With all the talks of over 100% voteing i think we need to wait for the Offical Canvis. This is when they have no more excuses. IF on the final canvis the percent is 100+ then we have some ground to stand on. At this point EVERYTHING is unoffical and wont stand up in any court.



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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:28 PM
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1. Ohio is getting a FULL recount.... all paper and machine
If fraud was there, that should help...
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ogradda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:28 PM
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does anyone know if any programmers
are looking at these machines? i've just heard about lawyers.
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rockedthevoteinMA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:28 PM
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2. go check out bev's site
they are gonna do a fraud audit in FL and OH
www.blackboxvoting.org
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bigbluestate Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:31 PM
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3. Hand..
How do you hand recount Evoting machines? IM starting to think its a lot of white smoke.
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jsamuel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:33 PM
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4. Here is one story that briefly talks about it...
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IAMREALITY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:47 PM
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7. Why Are You Trying To Debunk Our Hope???
There is enough debunking being done by the media already. If we give you answers, try not to be so quick do debunk us ok? We are all tired, hanging on by a thread, and anxious, so tread carefully before DEBUNKING THE ONLY THING WE HAVE LEFT....... HOPE
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GreatAuntK Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 09:39 PM
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5. Voting into a void
I don't know much about how they're going about it looking at the computer voting. Can programmers access the code, and read the history of the program, or recognize a blank space or suspicious commands? Don't computer programs have commands in a language that can be read to show hacking or that it was started up with a bunch of votes already inserted? Would what they find be evidence of fraud, or cause changes in the actual vote count?

If the change was by going through the C: drive to the database and just changing a number (as demonstrated by Bev Harris to Howard Dean on the Tina Brown Show this fall) would that be recorded in the history of the program?

I don't know these answers, but I sure thank and respect the technical people who are trying to get a handle on this.
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LastLiberal in PalmSprings Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:44 PM
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6. A recount could validate OH & FL exit polls
which would shoot holes in RNC's Gillispie's argument for cancelling them.
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osaMABUSh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:52 PM
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8. I haven't read BBV book yet, but how hard could it be to program
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 10:52 PM by elbayl
these machines to count? It's either a check, a punch, or a touch for a candidate or it isn't, then add them up. The programming should pretty basic stuff. I don't buy this programming error crap, it has to be fraud.
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