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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:13 PM
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Hey Ohio DUers -- where are our angry mobs?
I'm serious. If this situation were reversed, the GOP would orchestrate "angry mobs" throughout Ohio to make sure that this not only had media attention but to tighten all the sphincters in power.

Are we doing anything like this? I'm in California, so there's not much I can do, but there's gotta be a LOT of pissed off Democrats in Ohio.

What's going on? Anything?
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Vincardog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:16 PM
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1. How about a GENERAL STRIKE in support of OHIO?
No body has to go to work monday. TAKE the DAY off. Spend the day with the kids while you still can.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:16 PM
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2. there were angry mobs rushing the state house in Columbus
you mean CNN did not run the story?

What about Fox?

ABC?

Oh my the lib'ral media has checked as absent without leave, or just plain deserted

By the way since yuo are a fellow Californian, you DO KNOW that there were tanks in the strreets of LA the other day, don't you? Yep at a demonstraton

Again did yuo see this even on the local news?

thought so
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:25 PM
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6. Yes there were. Here's the announcement.
"Dear Concerned Americans,

There will be a peaceful sit-in at the Ohio Statehouse in Columbus,
Ohio, on Saturday, November 13th at 1PM. We will gather around the
building and sit on the steps to protest the unfair election that has taken
place.

The Ohio Statehouse is located in the center of Columbus, at the corner
of Broad and High streets downtown. As soon as we get an exact street
address, we will post it. (though I think its going to be difficult to
miss the building) Here is a map of the area:

http://www.statehouse.state.oh.us/maps.cfm

- snip -

We are protesting the use of electronic voting machines without paper
trails. Using such machines, we have no way to know that our vote is
being counted as we cast it. Such systems are easily hackable. On top of
that, we certainly are not comfortable with for-profit companies
counting our votes. We are also protesting the media silence and we want
them to start investigating.

This will be a peaceful affair. We do not want to give the police any
reason to arrest any of us. When you come, find a place and sit down.
If you are coming, email [email protected] and let us know.

We are also in desperate need of volunteers. Please contact
[email protected] if you are interesting in helping.

Our website is http://www.freewebs.com/libertyordeath/index.html . If
you try to get on the site and it is down or the bandwidth is exceeded,
try again later. We have purchased additional bandwidth and it is on
the way.

We will be posting more information throughout the week. Tell everyone
you can. Contact your local Democratic party headquarters and get them
involved. And again, we need some volunteers to help out."


Too bad the media didn't think it was newsworthy. Sigh.
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:36 PM
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9. Pretty sure this was canceled.
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 03:37 PM by MiddleMen
The person claimed FBI contacted her and that it was going to be delayed. (but not because of the FBI , because something else was going on today at the same time).

There was a meeting today to gather testimony from people who had problems when they went ot vote or evidence/examples of errors in the election procedures. I haven't heard anything about that yet.

Edit: By the way, the link to freeweb is now invalid. Is possible this person was a "fake" or something?
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Kukesa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 08:45 AM
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16. Thanks for the info; I didn't know that. n/t
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:01 AM
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13. I thought that got debunked
the "tanks in LA thing".

I thought that it had been learned that the tanks were some veterans preparing for the veteran's day parade. The veteran's center is practically across the street from the federal building in Westwood.

Am I wrong about this?

But yes, the media silence on this has been simply astounding and eerie.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:18 PM
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3. "A hungry mob is an angry mob"
Not hungry enough yet.
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bluestatewannabe Donating Member (25 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:21 PM
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4. We are more mature
Even if I live in a RED state, UGGGHHHH, I have to say that we are much more mature, intelligent and non-violent. Sometimes I just want to scream. A friend showed me this site and said I would feel less depressed if I joined up. Hello to all.
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:27 PM
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7. Welcome to DU! Glad you made it! n/t
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:29 PM
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8. Welcome to DU!
I like your user name. I came to this site because I was annoyed by the negative coverage given to the Democratic Convention. It's like a breath of fresh air here. But careful, it's addictive. :hi:
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:59 PM
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12. welcome. I'm talking about a media stunt, by the way
not a real violent mob, but something that would get media attention, just like the fake "mobs" in Florida in 2000.

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Chimpanzee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 02:04 AM
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15. I think the problem is that the media IS paying attention
they are just (for whatever reason) not reporting.
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VivaKerry Donating Member (609 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 03:21 PM
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5. The answer to that question is very long indeed
it's about a concerted attack on our nutrition, how our brains think (after all the videos and tv), a disintegration of knowledge across the board...


there should be angry mobs, but all the things that would led a person to intuitively and rationally think "mob time" have been dulled and dumbed down.

I don't think this country is up for a revolution, and now, today, I have even more respect to all the people actually fighting for freedoms in their respective countries.
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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 04:08 PM
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10. As an Ohioan
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 04:32 PM by MiddleMen
I would say it is because most people think we simply lost and not that there was massive fraud.

First, since many people keep misstating this, Ohio was not voting on DRE's(direct recording device/electronic voting) for the most part. We had only 6 counties if I am not mistaken (I did pre-election research on this so I am pretty sure it was 6).

One of them (mine), Franklin, was using Danahur machines that we have had for about 10 or 12 years now. It was one of these machines that produced the 3,900+ extra votes in Gahana. What happened there seems perfectly reasonable to me. One of the cartridges was read incorrectly by a cartridge reader. A new reader read it correctly and the in-machine memory matched the number it reported. By the way, during canvassing each of the cartridges will be re-read so if any other cartridge had an error it will be caught then, hopefully.

Now, do not think that I am saying it is all ok and so what if we have unreliable , un-audit able vote cartridges. I completely agree that we need paper ballots for any kind of electronic machine. I'm just saying that holding this incident up as proof of fraud is quite frankly laughable. Proof of unreliability of electronic voting with no back-up is another story entirely.

For what it is worth the entire state will be getting machines with paper audit in the next year or two. We actually put off buying machines without a paper trail a few months back. Frankly, though I was part of the effort to write and harass Blackwell in to not buying them, I thin kwe were HAD on that issue. It was a rock and a hard place. The machines we were going to buy were unacceptable. Clearly, if we are going to buy machines we should wait to get ones with paper ballots , which we did. Problem is it leaves us with a lot of spoiled punch cards just like Florida had in 2000. The biggest problem here is not the spoiled votes themselves but which votes get spoiled. In Florida , nationally and in Ohio too it is overwhelmingly minority and poor districts that have the most spoiled votes. This is because the rich white districts have punch card checking machines right in the polling place. If there is an error with your ballot you get to fix it before you turn it in. Not so in the poor and minority districts. You just give the punch card over and if it later turns out your vote wasn't recorded... too bad!

Blackwell also pulled some other "standard" tricks (and some new ones too). A huge shortage of machines in poor and minority districts. Voter intimidation groups (though there weren't nearly as many of them as the hype suggested there would be). They actually had the nerve to change the rules for provisional ballots AFTER (9 days after to be exact) the voting had already took place (adding a requirement for the person's birth date that the previous rules specifically said was not required or cause for rejection).

Now is that fraud or just business as usual? It was all legal or mostly legal. Personally I find it despicable but I'm not so sure that the vast majority don't see just as "the way things are" . That it is too late to do anything about it. And it probably is quite frankly.

I would suggest you might want to support the Cobb campaign's efforts to recount Ohio. http://votecobb.org . Follow the donate link. I understand there are other places to donate. I was a bit confused by all of them in fact. To be sure that went it specifically to the recount efforts I felt more comfortable going through the Cobb campaign. That said, visit this thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=201x2617
before you decide where to donate.

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Imperialism Inc. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 04:13 PM
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11. P.S.
http://www.votersunite.org/electionproblems.asp?sort=date&selectstate=OH&selectproblemtype=ALL

The above gives a good summary of all the various types of problems in Ohio.

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pointsoflight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 12:08 AM
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14. Just an FYI, though
One could very easily tamper with vote tabulators, and Ohio does use those. These tabulators are manufactured by exactly the same companies that are known to have a very shady past, have ties to the republican party, and have been implicated in suspicious elections in the past.

The good news, though, is that there is a paper trail, so auditing could detect problems with the tabulators.
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