Interview: DuPage County, IL -- worst place to vote in America -- on Black Box America Radio

[kpete]

DuPage County, IL -- worst place to vote in America -- on Black Box America Radio

Bev Harris will be interviewing Illinois Ballot Integrity Project/DuPage Chapter co-chairs Melisa Urda and Jean Kaczmarek on her on-line radio program, Black Box America. The program will be replayed throughout the weekend and the week. Harris has declared DuPage County to be the worst place to vote in America. The illegal destruction of public records, the noncompliance to FOIA, the noncompliance to the Illinois Election Code, off-the-charts cronyism, statistically impossible voter registration and voter turn-out fluctuations, the hiring of highly questionable consultants, and the control of the sensitive data (voting machine access, voter database access, tabulation room access and election night results hosting) by one tiny company -- DuPage County has it all. Election Defense Alliance placed a red flag on the Nov. 2006 results of the IL 6 District race which is mostly in DuPage County.

Here's the link:

http://www.togientertainment.com/radio.php

[iconoclastic cat]

1. Yeah, I grew up in DuPage.

The place is hosed.

[Norquist Nemesis]

2. I live in DuPage

and that hose is not of the garden variety

[Land Shark]

3. DuPage needs publicity so let's hope folks don't attack this thread

on account of Bev doing the interview, as they've already disrupted a similar Steve Heller (whistleblower) thread and another thread about this radio show. Folks, please consider "baby with the bathwater" issues in this regard. Thank you.

[EFerrari]

8. That grifter needs publicity so let's hope folks don't attack this thread.

[Kelvin Mace]

37. Bev will be using this interview to line her pockets with cash

not to help fight against paperless voting. Since she was banned from here for misconduct, promoting her appearance here certainly violates the spirit of the ban.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

4. Bev Harris' radio show? Promoted here at DU?

At least BBV.org will be helped by this.

Not sure how much it will help Illinois.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

5. Bev threatened to sue Democratic Underground

Finally they banned Bev for the second time from posting here.

Bev Harris threatens Democratic Underground, DU response:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=108750

[Kelvin Mace]

6. Bev Dudley (aka Harris)

has been banned from this site for gross misconduct and threatening everyone who crossed her, including DU admins. She has since adopted neo-con talking points to solidify her cred with the Freepers.

She has also failed to properly account for over $1 million in donated funds, a good percentage that came from DUers.

Until such time as she accounts for the money and atones for her vile behavior, it is in quite poor taste to promote her activities on DU.

Link to Bev's past crimes here:

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/Kelvin%20Mace/2

[troubleinwinter]

7. Bev Harris should not be promoted here.

Will she be soliciting donations to fund her latest attack campaign?

Today it's against Kos http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/47395/54281.html?1185463256#POST36189 . She dredges up old crap asserting that we should not be able to have sites that support Democrats. The FEC issued a judgement in 2005 that such sites as DU and Kos are exempt, so why does she whip this crap out now?

A few weeks ago she actually accused the owner of DU of being a DEMOCRAT! She even cites some evidence that he used to work for one!

What does Bev have against DU and Kos... oh, wait... she's been banned from both for misbehavior, use of numerous sockpuppets and threatened to sue DU. And DU and Kos support Dems.

She dredges up old irrelevant nonsense in order to raise ire and solicit money from the stupids.

What does attacking Kos and DU have to do with her supposed mission of election integrity is a question, and using tax exempt donated funds to do it is another.

Bev Harris should not be given any space here. She is NOT on our side in any way.

[orleans]

107. loved the way you put this:

"A few weeks ago she actually accused the owner of DU of being a DEMOCRAT! She even cites some evidence that he used to work for one!"

it's so absurd it's funny. (and apparently it's true?!)

[kpete]

9. just so you all know-

if the devil gave me info that I thought was important, I would post it.

We post things from the Bush Admin every day - info is info

I think that what Kaczmarek has to say adds to the debate - if Bev is interviewing her and getting her input out about what is happening in IL then - I say GO GIRL.

[EFerrari]

11. If that's the case, you have no idea what you are really promoting.

I believe you, kpete, and respect your work at DU. But all venues are not equal just as all sources are not equal.

The devil isn't giving you information. The devil is profiting from pretending to be a conduit for information that other people have to share.

[kpete]

21. I would definitely agree

all venues are not equal - but I think it is up to the individual to decide. Even if a source is questionable, I want to weigh the information along with everything else that I can. In my opinion that is the definition of a liberal mind. An ability to weigh all info - no matter what the source and come to one's own conclusions as best as one can.

I try to be tolerant and have an open mind. Liberal: tolerant of different views and standards of behavior in others.

[EFerrari]

22. I'm so with you on that. But tolerating exploitation isn't liberalism. n/t

[kpete]

24. I will tolerate

almost anything to get to the truth. I do not mean to offend. I am just searching everywhere I can for any bit of information. I have a desparate need to know.

[EFerrari]

25. That grifter, who has done so much damage here and everywhere

bills herself as a fount of truth.

We have plenty of other, credible sources that don't involve enriching someone who has done so much damage.

peace, kpete

[kpete]

26. I respect your opinion

peace to you as well - and on earth - we could certainly use it, kp

[EFerrari]

27. I hate this, kpete. And if I didn't know it beyond a shadow of a

doubt, there's no way I'd keep putting it out there. Because this forum is why I came to DU in the first place.

[kpete]

31. please then sfexpat2000

let us agree to disagree then and continue to work together with everyone here to do the best we can to determine the truth. We do not have to agree about everything - but if we work together to seek truth in our own individual ways, we can and will change the world. I believe this. Again, I never mean to offend. My approach is a little different then some, in that I try never to judge my sources, only the info. You know by now, I am an info-nut. Forgive me again if I offend anyone, but I will continue to post information that I find adds to the debate. I would travel to hell and back to find the truth. Some days, I think I do...kp

[Kelvin Mace]

34. I will work with folks I disagree with

I will give them a forum to espouse arguments I may disagree with. But I would no more allow Bev's agenda to be advanced than I would Bush's.

There has to be a limit This is not about a difference of opinion, this is about a woman proven to have harmed this movement, proven to have smeared people untruthfully, proven to have profited from other people's work.

Some lines cannot be crossed.

[EFerrari]

41. Boundaries. It's one thing to be receptive to opposing views.

It's quite another to enable abusers.

[EFerrari]

38. No., Because all things aren't relative a la Fox News.

You are carrying water for someone who is as corrupt and exploitative as they come, whether you know it or not. And that matters. It matters a lot.

You go ahead and post ads for Bev. I will continue to point out the inherent contradiction between your wish to make elections transparent and the self serving, secretive and lucrative way that grifter runs her organization.

Because this work is too important. Because there are too many good people doing hard work at no small cost to themself. And, not least of all, because it is a debt I owe.

[kpete]

42. I understand

and I do respect your point of view. Peace, kp

[EFerrari]

43. Peace to you, kpete. This grifter reminds me so much of my ex.

A master manipulator that can somehow get people to overlook all the abuse.

I can't go with that program any more. I'm an appeaser of the worst sort, hate conflict.

But what that grifter has done is just horrible enough for me to stand up.

[Kelvin Mace]

32. "Ends justify the means"

Any evil will be tolerated as long as you THINK it will get the result YOU desire.

Such a viewpoint is the HEART of the the conservative philosophy.

[Stephanie]

105. then you need to know the truth about Ms. Harris, and not turn a blind eye to it

Not everyone who claims to be on the side of fair elections, is.

[Kelvin Mace]

30. Liberal is NOT tolerant

of proven evil, nor proven disregard for the law and what is right.

Liberal does not mean stupid.

[kpete]

36. I post everything I can find

I admit I often post info that is stupid, especially when it comes directly from the Bush admin - never stops me. I have posted info that is offensive, difficult, challenging, idiotic, cruel, sad, etc etc. I will continue. I do not do this to offend, ever - unless of course it means offending those who are f_cking with the constitution. I have only one agenda - Document the atroctities of the current administration. I do not care where I find them. kp

[Kelvin Mace]

39. Posting info that is wrong

misinformed, or that promotes someone who has a record of HURTING people does NOT help.

The enemy of my enemy is seldom my friend.

[orleans]

108. my two cents (for what it's worth)

i met Jean Kaczmarek that is supposed to be on this radio show and i know this group of people have been knocking themselves out working on this for a couple years--and their passion and dedication is to be commended (at least from where i sit--at a distance)

so, because of that, i'm pretty sure that they are just trying to get their information out to the public -- and if that old bitch is willing to give them air time they are going to take it.

[riqster]

110. The more so because they can't get the word out otherwise

These two freedom fighters have been shut down by even the local rags. DuPage is even worse than Ohio, it is a one-party zone.

I too would prefer that BBV not be involved; can anyone else provide them access to the airwaves? That would stop this kind of problem from arising in the first place.

[troubleinwinter]

47. Nice Day for a Walk

Certain sources are banned here. Some hate sites. Bev is banned here. Her fundraising links are banned here.

Linking to her shit is supporting a person who has harmed, smeared and attacked innumerable honest, legitimate election reform activists with lies and who has taken the hard-earned money of well-meaning people buying into her shit. Money that could have gone to support legitimate organizations that truly work for the cause. We've all read her smears of activists, and the regrets of so many DUers who were duped by her into donating.

You can decide that you are blameless in 'catapulting the propaganda', thinking it mere "information", but I don't see assisting someone in victimizing good hearted liberals and attacking devoted, dedicated activists as anything that I can accept.

You say that "all venues are not equal". That's why Bev Harris and her fund-raising are banned here.

"but I think it is up to the individual to decide". You care nothing to assist fellow DUers in not having their money sucked away and being filled with bullshit misinformation? I think a liberal would pull someone from the railroad tracks, rather than waving a sign saying, "Shiny railroad tracks here. Nice day for a walk. (Walk at your own risk)."

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

57. the OP link goes directly to Bev's fund raising radio show.

so how is it that ANYONE can post links directly to her stuff?

IN order to help her make money?

Cause we know she isn't going to bring about any positive reform.

She has to ride this gravy train forever or go back to selling Clinton cigars.

[Kelvin Mace]

28. If the Devil gave you information

that was "important", he would do so only because it advances his evil agenda. He would NEVER do so because it would help anyone.

By promoting her, you are helping Bev raise money for an organization which has FAILED to disclose how it has used its funding. That's called "aiding and abetting".

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

60. grifter doesn't seem to like the Democratic Party

and she doesn't like it that even though she threated DU with lawsuits, and that
she has smeared many of the people here, that she cant use DU for advertising:

Posted on Tuesday, March 28, 2006 - 10:08 pm:

It is obvious what's going on. It is disruptive to the election reform movement. Regardless, I think it's a good idea for various people to post information at Kos. I do object to the "need" to "sanitize" information that originates from BBV by failing to mention our name. If mentioning our name begets trolls, so be it. That behavior is becoming more and more transparent, and the involvement of the administrators of both Daily Kos and Democratic Underground are becoming obvious to the public. (The admins of both sites have ties to the Democratic Party and/or candidates or its committees)

[EFerrari]

78. "More and more transparent"? Betchur @ss, you grifter.

You've been outted. It's going to be much harder for you to rip people off or abuse activists.

Get used to it.

[Stephanie]

104. then you don't know her, k

you wouldn't be saying "go girl" to Ms. Harris if you knew her, you'd be hiding your wallet and running for your life.

[kster]

10. Their heeeeeeeere

[Kelvin Mace]

29. Yep

Bevbots are out in force, supporting Bev's neocon agenda and fund raising.

[flyarm]

45. YOU'RE HERE..HOW DO YOUR KIDS LIKE HAVING TO VOTE ON PAPERLESS DRE'S???????????

and having another election stolen by paperless dre's??????

any why are you so condensending????????

are you du's ELECTION board queen??

i never see you post anything but condensending nastiness.

i don't remember electing you as such..

but i am typing on a paperless machine..so maybe my vote didn't count... like it didn't count in every election since 2002 on paperless DRE's in florida!!HMMMMMMMMMMM

that many states are now stuck with for 2008 ..and another stolen election AWAITS US BECAUSE OF MIS- DIRECTED PEOPLE..WHO ONLY POST INSULTS AND NOTHING LEGITIMATE!!

FLY

[kster]

49. Hit his little icon next to my name, it looks like this

flyarm ......



Then you will never have to read my condensending nastiness anymore. :)

[troubleinwinter]

54. Likewise!

kster,

[kster]

12. Kick n Recommended.nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

13. why would you promote someone who threatend DU?

Is it ok with you what Bev did to DU?

[kster]

14. See post #9

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x478212#478225

[Kurovski]

15. And why would you promote electronic voting?

Why? Why? Why?

Marsha! Marsha! Marsha!

[EFerrari]

18. . . .

:rofl:

[Kurovski]

19. :)

:hi:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

20. why do you enable paperless voting?

why do you protect paperless voting?

[Kelvin Mace]

35. Since neither the poster

nor ANY of Bev's critics here support paperless voting, why would you accuse a prominent pro-paper advocate of such conduct?

[EFerrari]

44. Kurovski was being ironic. n/t

[Kurovski]

48. And here I thought the "Marsha" bit would sell it.

I'm such a failure. Better turn in my DUzy's now.

[Kelvin Mace]

51. No, I am slow today

it happens, I spent all day in the heat...

[Kurovski]

64. No problem, KM.

I hope it cools down this weekend. :hi:

[EFerrari]

79. Try it!

:hi:

[Kelvin Mace]

50. Oops

sorry, sometimes I miss it.

[AtLiberty]

16. What has been happening in this county and many others...

...virtually goes unreported. Is that okay with all of you?

Some of you are assuming that citizens can obtain any and all media coverage they wish. Hello? I wonder if other blogs and progressive media have ignored them? Why are we learning about this stuff on an on-line radio program with two dozen listeners? Why not the front page of the Chicago Trib or Sun Times?

If there was decent media coverage of election fraud, we wouldn't need this discussion topic on DU. For that matter, if we had proper media coverage, there would not have been an Iraq War, torture, illegal wiretapping, the Patriot Act and a mile-long list of other tragedies we've experienced for nearly seven years. Most of all, with decent media coverage, there never would have been a President Bush.

Interesting that the substance of this interview is being ignored... Has anyone bothered to listen to it? If you had, you'd learn that the "stolen" 1960 presidential election is urban legend.

[EFerrari]

17. Contact Dianne Feinstein (DINO, CA) and tell her to watch

Greg Palast's segment on PBS "Now" this evening.

Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
TTY/TDD: [phone]

[LSK]

23. K&R #5 - nice to know my vote doesnt count

And all that work I did for Duckworth was for nothing.

:grr:

[proud2BlibKansan]

33. Bev Harris?

Isn't she banned here?

[EFerrari]

40. Last time I looked, she was. But she keeps showing up here

as sock puppets and she's apparently seduced a number of posters to this forum with promises that will never materialize. She's good.

[greatauntoftriplets]

46. No thanks.

The words "Bev Harris" and "integrity" should NEVER appear together in the same sentence. If Bev told me it was sunny outside, I'd look out the window and take an umbrella. Maybe snowboots, even if it was summer.

Bev Harris promotes herself, in an attempt to scam more money out of people, money for which she has never provided an accounting. She is banned from DU for good reason.

[Kelvin Mace]

52. If you ever shake hands with this woman

count your fingers to make sure you get them all back.

[greatauntoftriplets]

53. I wear a couple of rings....

Thanks for the advice. If I ever met her, I'd probably kick her in the arse instead of shaking hands.

I don't want to meet her. Seriously, I'd give her a piece of my mind that she would never forget.

If I did it on DU, I might get banned. So I won't.

:hi:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

103. if you ever shake hands with that woman

You won't be able to do this:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[ChrisdemW]

55. piranha alert n/t

[yowzayowzayowza]

56. Indeed. n/t

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

58. Bev?? " Democratic Underground is run by a former press secretary.. a prominent Democratic U.S. Hous

I would think that your extremely popular website would draw enough traffic for you.

Posted over at the sewer:

Posted on Saturday, April 01, 2006 - 07:51 am:

"We are learning more about the individuals who are spreading disinformation at Kos and Democratic Underground. They are mostly small fry; people who are angry, easily led, broke, political groupies. The bigger story is the administrators of those two sites.

Democratic Underground is run by a former press secretary (i.e. communications person) for a prominent Democratic U.S. House of Representatives member. He managed some unsuccessful campaigns for other democrats. I have not been able to find the name of the congressperson he was press secretary for. That would be informative. "

[troubleinwinter]

67. We're Commies.

Not just Democrats, but "commies", according to Bev's partner and paid member of the BBV Board of Directors:

"...the various commies over there (Democratic Underground) are choking over the idea of profit getting wrapped up in activism."

Profit.

[EFerrari]

76. So, he admits they're profiting? What an idiot.

lol

[troubleinwinter]

82. A few comments

Comments from Jim March, Bev Harris's partner in the Qui Tam and paid Member of the Board of BBV.org, on the occaision of the announcement that Qui Tam had been filed.

I'm a professional gun rights activist in CALIFORNIA, if I didn't keep my sense of humor in this commie hell-hole I'da gone nuts ages ago.

...massive potential "bounty" was at stake. It means Viacom and Diebold are now engaged in a race to see who can make ol' Jim a millionaire first.

Eight figures in my pocket is...unlikely, almost bordering on impossible. Diebold would have to be REALLY dumb to let it go that far. More likely they'll settle to avoid tripplers.

So anyways...the profit potential here is just crazy. ....wait'll they get a load o' me and a couple million bucks to toss around.

Yes, there's a possibility that this "something else" (Qui Tam) will leave Bev and I millionaires.

say I get...I dunno, we'll use $5mil as a ballpark round number.

For doing all this, Bev and I are due to split a cut of the winnings (a "bounty"). It'll vary between "bigtime fun money" each to "retirement-level" loot, depending on how it all shakes out.

we've got ourselves one heck of a fine little PR machine going....

....Lockyer (CA's AG at the time) now has the same opportunity and he's liable to drag Bev and I along on a VERY profitable (kaCHING!) ride.

I ain't gonna tame down, I ain't gonna sheeple up, I ain't gonna meekly promise to turn over all "evil profits" to "the good of all as the DU community sees it".

A big part: the various "commies" over there (Democratic Underground) are choking over the idea of profit getting wrapped up in activism.

It's genuinely hilarious.

Me?

I'm a gun nut, remember? Call me a "bounty hunter" and I'll say: yup!

Silly commies.

Bev's reaction to March's comment:

Everyone knows that Jim March is right wing. Right wing sites call progressives who are upset about getting funding "commies." The point is valid-- Bev Harris

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

83. "a VERY profitable (kaCHING!) ride."

there it is, boys and girls.

[troubleinwinter]

84. My favorite though,

was Bev's comment that right-wingers have a valid point in calling progressives "commies" for their concerns about activism-for-profit.

[EFerrari]

87. That makes sense in BevWorld.

:rofl:

[troubleinwinter]

68. bot alert

[kster]

71. ------ -------------- ------- --------

http://www.evtv1.com/player.aspx?itemnum=7387

[EFerrari]

99. Aka, long time DUers who have the goods on this psycho.

:thumbsup:

I have no problem calling out that grifter.

[kster]

59. Illinois: State Commission Cites DuPage County Board of Elections for Destruction of Records

By Illinois Ballot Integrity Project
October 02, 2006

The DuPage County Election Commission has been allegedly illegally destroying election and other public records by failing to apply for permission from the Illinois Local Records Commission according to recent letters to Illinois State Attorney General Lisa Madigan and to DuPage State's Attorney Joe Birkett, from John Curtain, Chairman of the Illinois Local Records Commission.

The letters bring to the Attorney General’s and State's Attorney's attention that the executive director of the DuPage County Election Commission, Robert T. Saar, has admitted that the Election Commission destroyed poll tapes from the November 2004 presidential election as early as 20 months prior the date permitted under Federal law. In addition, Saar has stated in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request that memory cards and other electronic records of ballots cast in the November 2004
election were no longer available as “ . . . no such document exists for this period because the document is subject to continuous modification from imputing of new data.”

The letters also cite information from the Dec. 7, 2005 minutes of the DuPage County Election Commission that state the Commission was planning to destroy voter registration documents; the Commission has never filed for a disposal certificate for these materials as required by law. In addition, the Local Records Commission wrote to the Illinois Attorney General’s office on June 6, 2006, requesting a formal confirmation opinion that the DuPage County Election Commission is subject to the provisions of the Illinois Local Records Act (50 ILCS 205). The Illinois Attorney General already resolved a similar issue in 1999 on the applicability of the State Local Records Act with the DuPage County Public Safety Communications Office in opinion 99-021.

The action of the Local Records Commission in notifying the Attorney General’s Office was in response to information submitted to the Commission by members of the DuPage County Chapter of the Illinois Ballot Integrity Project. Chapter co-chairs, Melisa Urda and Jean Kaczmarek, have headed an ongoing investigation into voter registration and election procedures in DuPage County for more than 18 months. Forty-eight pages of supporting documentation collected by Urda and Kaczmarek were presented to the
Illinois Local Records Commission and executive members of the Illinois State Archives in Springfield on August 1st.


http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1843&Itemid=113

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

61. kind of kills the excuse for posting advertisement to Bev's radio show

I thought that there was no coverage of this.

And we just know that all of Illinois and all of the US will be listening to
Grifter Radio.

So, gee whiz, no need to promote the banned one.

[kster]

66. I'd say it kinda kills your " Bev said it it isn't true" GAME.nt

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

69. Out of Respect for Andy Stephenson - the Grifter is not welcome here

This is a business to her, a cottage industry.

Her shoddy treatment of this decent gentle human being shows her true "character".

[kster]

70. Do you make the rules at the DU now?

I did not know that.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

72. are you fine with what happend to Andy Stephenson?

You can turn your back on that?

[kster]

73. No, But I HATE the way people use his name to distract

from the counting of our ballots. I fought with Andy more than a couple of times, but he and his name needs to RIP, no matter what side of the debate you are on. (PERIOD)

[troubleinwinter]

74. His name shall not R.I.P.

He did not want his words or his work or his teaching or his cause to be forgotten. Even if he had, it's impossible.

[kster]

75. For immediate release

http://ballot-integrity.net/docs/DuPage_Release_10-12-2006.pdf

RIP Andy.

[flyarm]

81. you want to know what that cxxx did to him when he was dying kster?????????

she fucked him every way to china!

she made him cry every day at the end..is that ok with you kster?????????

and how do i know because i was caring for him kster!

because she fucked him out of his money that a certain lawyer told him not to cash a check that bev underpaid him of, what he was lawfully owed..she stole his computers..she fucked him out of his fisa ..and his cobra..because she never paid what she was supposed to ..she, as his employer didn't pay his taxes owed... until after he died...

so what did you know about Andy ksterrrrrrrrrrrr..i don't remember you talking to him..and i was with him, i am well aware of who Andy spoke to..who called him and wished him well..who cared about him

and you were not one of them ksterrrrrrrr!

i know the tears she caused him in his dying days..ksterrrrrrrrrrr

i know what she did to him and what she said..and how it hurt a dying man, who should have had peace in his finals days and he did not because of that fucking cxxx!

i know ksterrrrrrrrrr..because i held him in my arms when she caused him to cry so badly..when he was too ill to have been put through what she did to him!

i don't like to write about it..and i stay away from this shit because i believe Andy had the right..yes the right....... Ksterrrrrr..to his final days with none of you crapping on him any more..

but don't you dare ..don't you dare .. tell anyone how close you were to Andy..and try to mis-use Andy now with your sick agenda!

i will not allow that!

not a day goes by that i couldn't cry over what that woman did to Andy in his final days on this earth..not a day!..get that kster..not a damn day!

so stop the bullshit..

i know more about your precious bev than you ever will..dying men don't lie...

and it ain't pretty!

fly

[kster]

85. Again

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=478212&mesg_id=478372

[Kelvin Mace]

86. No evil that Bev does

will ever diminish her in Kster's eyes. It's like Bush and the neocons. Bush could kill infants on the lawn of the White House and the neocons would still make excuses.

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

88. the ends justifies the means to neo cons

and usually the ends isn't so good either.

[kster]

89. Want To Hear a Sad Story, seems thats what you like, My Father-in-law

suffered a severe stroke, He ended up in a nursing home, about a year or so later my mother in law was diagnosed with cancer, We brought the Mother in Law to our house and along with Hospice we brought her to the other side(death), theres more to this sad story,

LISTEN UP,

The the Mother in law was with-in hours of death, I hired an ambulance so that I could pick up the father-in-law from the nursing home so that he would be able to see his wife before she died.

ARE YOU LISTENING?

The Mother in law died within minutes of his arrival to my house.

IS THAT SAD ENOUGH FOR YOU?

The Paramedics and I decided to bring him in to see her, that He, the Father in Law, in his condition, wouldn't really know the difference.

Thats a very sad, but true story.

It's what happens in life. You have to move on and do whats best for your kids and their future.

[greatauntoftriplets]

90. WTF does that have to do with Bev Harris???

You are rambling.

:eyes:

[Wilms]

91. Rambling?

How polite.

[troubleinwinter]

94. Here's what:

kster completely ignores the content of the post: That Bev attacked Andy and tormented him when he was ill and dying, that she did not deposit HIS tax money that she withheld from his paychecks, "she fucked him out of his fisa ..and his cobra", that she stole his computer, that "she fucked him out of his money that a certain lawyer (think about that one... a certain Washington state lawyer) told him not to cash a check that bev underpaid him of".. claiming it would make him ineligible for the real amount he was owed.

Then kster MOCKS the crushing personal grief and loss of flyarm who cared for Andy, her dear friend and loved-one, in her home when he was ill, through surgery and dying. She held him when he was sick, hurt and in tears over the cruel attacks by Bev and her courting of freepers, claiming his illness was not real, posting on FreeRepublic that he should "fear to meet his maker" when he was terminal and dying, encouraging the freeps to attack him as well. kster tells flyarm to just forget about it, "move on".

kster IGNORES Bev's twisted, cruel, abusive behavior, and mocks and belittles flyarm's personal grief and loss. THAT'S what it has to do with Bev: DISTRACT, DIVERT and IGNORE Bev's behavior.

(My condolences and best thoughts to you and your family, I know Andy was your very dear loved-one too.)

[EFerrari]

97. Since I will not read kster's posts, I take your word for it.

How ANYONE can support that psychopath is beyond me.

[troubleinwinter]

101. No need to read it.

You know very well what it looks like. We've seen plenty of this sort of shit. It's dispicable, disgusting and mocking. Familiar, huh?

[EFerrari]

102. I want to thank you, trouble, for all the trouble you've taken

to out this grifter.

You will always have my gratitude and my deepest admiration.

[Stephanie]

106. She posted that right HERE - that Andy should "fear to meet his maker"

While he was still fighting for his life! She's the sickest person I have ever known.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=203&topic_id=340188&mesg_id=340778

bailey77 (97 posts) Wed Mar-09-05 03:10 AM
Response to Reply #73
109. Nope, it's not true.
That one lie should make Andy Stephenson fear to meet his maker.

By the way, Bev Harris hasn't had a personal bank account since July 2003.

[troubleinwinter]

109. She posted these on free republic:

Sometimes the things he says are very annoying, but we all eventually meet our maker, don't we? 05/15/2005

Andy was dead seven weeks later.

And some encouragement to the freepers and Scamdys who were harrassing, stalking and tormenting him:

This, more than anything else, has convinced me that Andy does not have cancer, and I seriously doubt that he has received any scary prognosis. 06/01/2005

Andy was dead five weeks later.

[greatauntoftriplets]

93. Bravo, flyarm!!!

:hi:

[EFerrari]

100. . . .

:hug:

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

95. while DU was raising funds for Andy's surgery

Someone spread a rumor that Andy wasn't even really sick.

Or that people shouldn't donate money for his whipple surgery in Maryland, and
Andy should get care in his home state.

Yesterday the New York Times ran this article about whipple surgery,
which explains why Andy couldn't get life saving treatment in his home state:

Obstacles to Care
Doing Battle With the Insurance Company in a Fight to Stay Alive

Five years ago, when Mr. Hendrickson was 66, routine blood work found something amiss with his liver. One test led to another, and then to an awful diagnosis: pancreatic cancer, one of the deadliest kinds.

His doctors thought he was among the lucky few with pancreatic cancer found early enough to be cured by surgery. But they warned him not to have the surgery in his home city, Albuquerque.
They said the operation he needed, a Whipple procedure, was so risky and complicated that it should be done only by a surgeon who performed it often and at a hospital with many similar cases. But neither was available locally.

...Figuring that a small chance was better than none, Mr. Hendrickson had the surgery. It went well. But he was left with more than $80,000 in medical bills, which Presbyterian Health Plan refused to pay.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/07/29/health/29OBSTACLES.html

[EFerrari]

98. When Andy did go back to Washington and tried to get follow up care

there, the conditions in the facility he was in were appalling. He called me -- mind you, he was fighting for his life -- and he told me that his ward mate had terrible diarrhea and that there was feces all over the floor and the walls and that no one was attending to it. He would have been distraught had he had the strength to be distraught.

Fuck you, Bev and good luck enlisting new victims.

[EFerrari]

80. We don't even have a complete list of her victims.

Kelvin Mace, Andy, trouble, and gawd knows who else. She's a serial offender and I can't believe anyone on this board can shake hands with that without shuddering.

[flyarm]

92. the people of this nation are her victims..all of us!! eom

[EFerrari]

96. I agree, fly. n/t

[EFerrari]

77. "Grifter Radio"

:rofl:

[kster]

62. Will DuPage (IL) Voters get "scrunched" in early voting?

February 26, 2006 at 10:47:06
by Illinois Ballot Integrity Project Page 1 of 2 page(s)

http://www.opednews.com


WILL DUPAGE VOTERS GET “SCRUNCHED” IN EARLY VOTING?
Cutting corners: County will begin using touch screens and printers that often failed in testing

February 25, 2006. Early voting in Illinois begins Monday February 27th and voters throughout Illinois will use new voting equipment purchased at a cost of about $100 million, primarily with money appropriated under the Help America Vote Act of 2002 (HAVA) which provides funds to replace outdated and outmoded voting systems and ensure increased accessibility and independence for voters with disabilities.


The majority of counties in Illinois, including DuPage, have purchased touch screen devices made by Diebold Election Systems, Inc. The AccuVote-TSX® touch screen comes equipped with Diebold’s AccuView® thermal printer because the Illinois Election Code requires that all touch screen machines have a Voter Verified Paper Audit Trail (VVPAT). The touch screens are significantly more expensive on a per precinct basis so most election officials are providing only one or two per precinct. That means that most DuPage voters will use paper ballots read by optical scanners.

But how reliable are these new touch-screens and their printers? In the first significant large-scale testing of the Diebold touch-screen terminal and attached printer on July 20, 2005, 96 Diebold TSXs with AccuView printers were tested by the California Secretary of State’s office in a setting designed to emulate a real election. In its report “Analysis of Volume Testing of the AccuVote TSx / AccuView,” issued by the California Voting Systems Technology Assessment Advisory Board, 14 printer problems and 20 software crashes were noted. 29 distinct machines were involved, meaning that 30.2% of the machines tested, nearly one-in-three, failed.


http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_illinois_060226_will_dupage__28il_29_vot.htm

[kster]

63. Illinois: Fidlar Fired? DuPage Watchdog Group Says "No"

By Illinois Ballot Integrity Project
October 15, 2006

Recent public remarks by DuPage County Election Commission Chairman J.P. "Rick" Carney attempting to deflect criticism of cronyism in the selection of election vendors has led to yet another discovery of favoritism, according to the DuPage Chapter of the Illinois Ballot Integrity Project. IBIP recently revealed that Carney had received $12,500 in campaign contributions from Fidlar Doubleday, the "premier dealer" for Diebold Election Systems, Inc., prior to voting for the highly controversial touch screen machines in December 2005. Fidlar had supplied voting machines, technical assistance and election materials to the Commission for years. The new revelations concern Carney's remarks published by The Daily Herald.


Carney's response to this finding were published in a front page article in The Daily Herald on Oct. 5, 2006. Robert Sanchez wrote, quoting Carney, “'All I know is they (Fidlar) no longer represent Diebold at the election commission,' Carney said. 'That’s a fact.'” Carney explained that the $500,000 contract with Fidlar for the printing of ballots had been given to another company.



That company, however, turns out to be Liberty Systems LLC of Wheaton, IL, owned by William Barrett, former vice president of sales of Fidlar Doubleday — the person in charge of the department which sold the Diebold TSx touch screen machines to DuPage County. According to County line-item expenditures, as of Sept. 1, 2006, $200,000 had been paid to Barrett's company, headquartered in his Wheaton residence, by the Commission for printing services. More payments are expected in connection with the November 7th election. Barrett had personally contributed to Carney's campaigns between 2000 and 2002.



"Regardless of Mr. Carney's attempts to dilute and conceal his relationship with Fidlar, DuPage County is still stuck with his vote on December 2005. We're still stuck with Diebold touch screens on election day," says Jean Kaczmarek, co-chair of the Project's DuPage Chapter.



http://www.votetrustusa.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1883&Itemid=113

[kster]

65. DuPage Co. Illinois Election Commission Cronyism and Lies

The Revolving Door Seems To Be Working Fine For Ex-Insiders as Thousands in Campaign Contributions to the Commission Chair from Old Friends Ensure Diebold's Premier Local Outfit Gets the County Contract!

State Election Integrity Advocates Issue News Release With Some Superb Reporting That Seems to Have Eluded the Local Mainstream Media!

Yesterday the Illinois Ballot Integrity Project (IBIP) issued a press release that is, as I explained to Brad Friedman, "un-freaking-believable". The DuPage County chapter of IBIP has been hard at work tracking cronyism and favoritism on the part of DuPage County, IL Election Commission Chairman J.P. "Rick" Carney in his dealings with Diebold Election Systems representatives from Fidlar Elections and Liberty LLC.

Kudos to IBIP for some great reporting!



http://www.bradblog.com/?p=3620