Bev Harris's BBV.org has NOT FILED their 990 tax form, per IRS

[troubleinwinter]

We were told that Bev mailed BBV's 990 on May 15th, 2006.

Moments ago, I telephoned the IRS to ask if Black Box Voting, Inc. had filed their Tax Exempt Organization 990 forms.

I provided the organization's name and their IRS Employer Identification Number 20-1242136.

I was told that BBV has not filed a 990. I obtained the representative's ID number for record.

[Howardx]

1. i love these threads

you get to play "spot the bev plant"

[Kelvin Mace]

37. Plus you get to hear ALL sorts

of excuses made on behalf of Bev.

[Howardx]

52. right

by the bev plant;)

[BeFree]

57. Another hilarious thread!!!

I've heard of tilting against windmills, frothing at the mouth, spitting up in one's own bed, pissing in the wind, burning the house down to keep warm, putting water in the gas tank to fill it to the brim, shooting oneself because they are bored to death, sticking your tongue to frozen steel in the winter just to cause trouble to your tongue, or making objects fly into a fan just to watch it blow back on you, so I thought I'd heard it all.

Until this thread and others like it came along.

Folks, while the gal has done some seemingly horrendous things, she has kicked Diebold back to damn near the edge, and yall should be proud you helped her. Instead you make yourselves look just a wee-bit childish and immature.

I don't support your Bev, did once, but backed off because of what I saw. I guess you could say I was too smart? And she deserved to get banned from DU and now she can't come here to even try to defend herself. Another Bev mistake, eh?

But what I see here and now is plain and simple: a witch hunt. Does she deserve some retribution? You bet. But I leave all that up to karma, for who here is without sin?

Now don't get me wrong, do whatever you want, be free to do your witch hunt, but please, leave the rest of us out of it. Quit calling us childish names and insinuating that anyone who dislikes what they see here is a Bev supporter.

We understand why you are so upset, but that gives you no right to try to make us stink too.

Now, you may commence to eating me too. Tell me how it tastes, K?

[fooj]

63. K.

[troubleinwinter]

86. "please, leave the rest of us out of it"

Easy for you to fix:

[benburch]

2. I hope there was some mistake on the part of the IRS.

I really hope there was some mistake.

Because if there was no mistake, then that 990 was a pure fabrication of Harris' part.

[flyingobject]

8. I just called IRS, this is weird

I called, just now.

Got the person's ID number too.

They said that they do not have a record of BBV.org's tax return on file.

I asked what the consequences of that would be - they
said that there would be tax penalities.

The lady on the phone said to ask BBV.org if they filed their tax return.

If not, they should go ahead and do so.

[Kelvin Mace]

40. So, Bev hasn't filed a tax return either

or is the 990 their equivalent?

[benburch]

64. Yes, the 990 is what an organization like hers files.

I wonder what her PERSONAL tax returns say?

[Kelvin Mace]

39. Well, the evidence points that way

All the math errors, the missing schedules, the weird signature error.

Just another Bev lie.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

107. What BBV got was a free of charge review of the 990

by the bookkeepers, accountants and CPA's here on DU. Now they can correct all the errors we pointed out and file it. They have enough cash on hand to pay the penalties.

[benburch]

3. So... let me ask the obvious questions first.

1. If it were postmarked on the 15th of May as we were assured that it was, is there any way that they IRS would not have received and processed it by now?

2. If it were received and processed, does it go RIGHT into the computer, or might there have been some sort of delay?

3. Has it shown up on guidestar yet? And if so, does it have the IRS stamp on it?

[troubleinwinter]

9. Hard questions

1) Sure, snow-storms in May/June, postal workers who are hobbyists collecting 990s to hang on their walls at home, and my dog ate it.

2) I don't know... they sure never seem to have any trouble with mine.

3) No. It is not on Guidestar. Kinda unlikely it would have an IRS stamp, since the IRS shows no filing.

[flyarm]

14. seems to me most people use the return receipt from the postal service

to assure their taxes were delivered properly and for ones own records..

that way the IRS can not claim they never recieved it..it is used for ones own insurance policy with the IRS...

it helps one keep from the ...dog ate it excuse..

and protects the sender...from the IRS and fines...

fly

[NV Whino]

10. Not to take sides, here, but

given the trouble she stirs up, there is the possibility it was hijacked just to cause her trouble.

[troubleinwinter]

11. Yes, the explanations are given in item #1, post #9

[NV Whino]

18. By the way

if you've ever tried that, you probably have noticed that no one actually signs the receipt. The times I did that, it wasn't even stamped with a signature, just returned unsigned.

Another question. Did she mail it or file it electronically? Anybody know?

[troubleinwinter]

21. Now THAT'S a funny one!!!!

I requested a copy of BBV 990, and Bev sent it to me "Return Receipt Requested". And guess what! I SIGNED it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[NV Whino]

23. Yeah, I thought it was hilarious

So much for proving I sent in my tax forms.

[troubleinwinter]

26. Yup

She cares enough to know that I got incomplete/partial copies, but doesn't care if the IRS received her filing. Uh huh.

Or maybe she just wanted my signature to confirm that I actually live at my address, to confirm the outing of my personal information that she posted on her site.

[flyarm]

28. its good as long as you get it back..means it was delivered!! n/t

[Kelvin Mace]

42. Good question.

Perhaps you can send an email asking her about it. She rarely answers our questions.

[benburch]

20. That would require one of;

1. Somebody in the US Post Office who knew when she was going to file and what mail box it would be filed from.

2. Somebody at the contractor who opens IRS mail to issue orders to all workers to intercept that one return. (And just try keeping something like that a secret when you hire temp workers to do a job!)

3. Somebody in the IRS who has subverted every civil service employee who would become aware of the filing as it was processed.

In other words, it would be one of those conspiracy theories that belong in the 9/11 forum here; A real tinfoil hat thing.

[Kelvin Mace]

41. No, not buying it

Highly unlikely someone is going to commit a felony against against both the IRS and the USPS, but even IF such were the case, that might explain a missing 990, but it would not answer ALL the questions about the 990 being at best, complete incompetence, at worst, an work of fiction. The fact that she did NOT, in fact, file it with the IRS points compellingly toward "fiction".

Since Bev has now been fanning the flames of a open smear campaign against VoteTrustUSA, and questioning their integrity of late, it becomes even MORE important that she stop lying about her own financial dealings.

[flyarm]

49. perhaps that is

her d.e.f.l.e.c.t.i.o.n...................

tin foil hat firmly in place..and ready for take off!!

fly

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[benburch]

5. Bev Harris is the one doing the divide and conquer.

She is NOT a Democrat. She is a LIBERTARIAN. She is not on our side.

[Kelvin Mace]

44. I wouldn't even call her a Libertarian

She's an Opportunarian.

[fooj]

48. Let's keep it simple, yes?

"BULLSHIT ARTIST" will suffice, eh?

[Kelvin Mace]

53. *Snicker*

Let's call a spade a bloody shovel.

[eridani]

101. Or we could call it--

--a leveraged tactile-feedback geomasss delivery system.:evilgrin:

[troubleinwinter]

6. Are you calling me a jerk?

[Lerkfish]

7. hmmmm... that's the way it appeared to me.

maybe they were confused, thought they were talking to me, had a typing impediment and instead of typing "Lerk", typed "Jerk"

its a theory.

:)

[benburch]

15. Looked that way to me too.

But then again, I am touchy.

[troubleinwinter]

24. Well, maybe if he has any decency, he'll alert on his own post.

I'm not that touchy, so I won't alert... just let his own words hang out there.

[flyarm]

12. whoaaaaa did you donate to bbv?? if you didn't this should not

concern you and that would be obvious..but if you did donate..would you not want to know how much money was raised? how it was or wasn't used? and what it was used for??

if it weren't for Americans being watch dogs..no red cross money would have gotten to the people it was intended for, by Americans and wonderful contributors to the 9/11 victims families..

if people made a contribution, they have the right to this info..and the people campaigning for this money, have an obligation under law to file the proper tax records..on time..

if you didn't file your taxes ..do you honestly think the IRS wouldn't haul you in front of them pronto??
be serious..

Bev has not told the truth ..and she has not followed the law..period ..

i wonder who that sounds like????????

bananas anyone??

fly

[benburch]

13. Sadly, I *did*.

The very day Randi Rhodes asked people to donate, I sent $20.

Then I felt guilty for having sent so little and I sent another $20 a week later.

Yep. I have "sucker" tattooed on my forehead.

BBV took in well over $100,000 as a result of Randi Rhodes, but here his how Bev Harris paid Randi back;

http://www.WhiteRoseSociety.org/bev_randi.mp3

[flyarm]

17. shucks link not working for me...n/t

[benburch]

22. Sorry. Typo.

Try now.

[flyingobject]

19. sorry for your pain

I gave too, along time ago. embarrassed to admit it.

(not meaning to laugh but still doing it.)

:rofl:

[Kelvin Mace]

45. Much, much more than that

We were able to account for $170,000 the day of the appeal, so I would say that the majority of that $970K came from Randi.

[troubleinwinter]

16. I disagree.

It does not matter whether one donated or not. It matters to those of us that are involved in election reform. It matters to those of us who are tax payers and law abiding citizens. BBV was given tax exempt status, but is required by law to report.

Now, I would think that the PENALTIES for not filing payroll taxes and PENALTIES for not filing tax reports, to be paid out from donated funds would matter to donors.

I think LIES matter to us all.

Original filing date was 11/05. Two extensions brought it to 5//06. Still not filed.

WHY NOT?

[flyarm]

25. oh absolutely...

the law is the law..period..

unless one subscribes to the * lawbreakers club...you know the ones who think they are above the law??

i always was under the impression we were a country based on laws..for all!

thanks for going further than i did...

guess i was too exclusive..and not clear enough ...i just assume thats obvious..but in todays * world..what used to be obvious ...is no longer so..

how sad i am for my country...

fly

[benburch]

27. I think Bev Harris might just be a charter member of *'s club. nt

[Kelvin Mace]

46. I wonder if any of her supporters here

will have the cojones to actually ask her on her site?

[benburch]

55. How long would they last if they did, I wonder? nt

[fooj]

54. Crediblity is the issue here. Integrity is the issue here.

Period. I, for one, am sick and damn tired of "imposters" passing themselves off as something that they are not. It's tiring and it's insulting. It's no wonder that the ERM keeps running after its own tail. Geez.........

[EFerrari]

31. Peace Patriot, I think you need to reconsider calling another

respected DUer a jerk.

I'm very surprised that you would say such a thing especially relative to a grifter who has repeatedly ripped off and defamed ER activists.

Really, that's just astonishing.

/grammar

[Kelvin Mace]

43. This is how people get scammed

They have so much invested in believing the lie, that they cannot bear to listen to or read evidence which contradicts that reality. So they make up elaborate reasons why the truth must be false.

This "jerk" is a well respected DUer, thank you very much.

[troubleinwinter]

47. A gift for those in need of it....

[fooj]

29. TRUTH is our most powerful weapon.

[benburch]

30. That little cricket knew a whole lot for a bug. nt

[troubleinwinter]

33. Are you calling me a bug?

O8)

[benburch]

35. No!

But I think you bug Bev Harris rather a LOT!

[EFerrari]

36. I wouldn't . . .

[flyarm]

50. i would think queen with a tiara would be more like it....

sparkling for all to see!!

after all truth is the light..and it shines so bright...

fly:patriot:

[fooj]

61. Ask and ye shall receive...

[flyarm]

71. ahhh yes thats exactly what i had in mind for troubleinwinter!!

she would be so charming in that tiara!!

and queen for the day!! a well deserved "queen"...

fly

[EFerrari]

32. Maybe you could fax them your "copy".

I can't believe anyone would be so stupid as to fabricate a 990.

I think I can't believe that.

[troubleinwinter]

34. It's on her website, incomplete

(lacking schedule B), and it has been archived, lest it "accidently disappear".

[flyarm]

51. the wonders of technology..ain't it grand!!...n/t

[hpot]

81. This can result in serious criminal charges

Not only can it be considered forgery but also mail fraud. Did she cross state lines?

[EFerrari]

82. I can't respond to this but, yes, it could be a bad spot

for that grifter to find herself in, again.

[flyingobject]

38. a very pertinent google ad

You can get good advice if you are cheap or don't turn
off the google ads - this is what I see when viewing this thread:

Free Compliance Guide
For Large Financial Services & Insurance Firms -- Download Now!
www.innovativesystems.com

Thank you DU for the helpful google ads.

[benburch]

56. Oh! It just occurred to me that this might also be MAIL FRAUD.

If those copies of the 990 that she sent via registered mail were frauds, that is, that they were not what had already been filed with the IRS, isn't that mail fraud under the statute?

[troubleinwinter]

59. I'm not sure.

It would explain the curiosity that it contained no cover letter. No nuthin', just a few photocopies shoved into an envelope... but carefully sent by certified mail. I was surprised that there was no cover letter from the organization, since it took a whole month to get it out. "Calendared", you recall.

However, it was sent as a direct response to an acknowleged request, so it speaks for itself.

[EFerrari]

62. That's sort of why I was asking, why not fax whatcha got to the IRS.

Because if they don't have it, then what she's done sure seems like fraud.

Hmm. Have you thought about calling up a DA? They love fish in a barrel.

[troubleinwinter]

75. Can THAT be why she sent me an UNSIGNED copy??

[EFerrari]

77. An unsigned copy with a return signature requested.

That's so grifter.

:rofl:

[troubleinwinter]

79. She has myyyy autograph,

but I don't have hers. And she is such a celebrity!

She didn't even sign the 990 (that was never filed) as posted on her website.

[EFerrari]

80. "Celebrity" only means a bunch of people believe they know you.

And that's my redacted version.

Thanks for following up on this. I know you have 101 better things to fill your time with.

:hi:

[troubleinwinter]

83. After having gone over the form,

I was actually alarmed for the person who DID finally sign it.

The signature box says: "Under penalties of perjury, I declare that I have examined this return, including accompanying schedules and statements, and to the best of my knowlege and belief, it is true, correct, and complete."

Bev did not sign. WHY?

It does not appear to be correct (mathematical and other errors). It is not complete... Page 1 claims that Schedule B is not required, but Schedule A shows that it IS.

We were told that a CPA "specializing in non-profits" had been brought on board, but no CPA signed this form.

WHY?

All sorta moot, anyway, since it wasn't filed.

WHY?

WHY?

[Kelvin Mace]

92. Perhaps you should

email the signer and inform them that the 990 was NOT filed.

[troubleinwinter]

95. Let Bev tell her. Or the IRS agents.

Or their donors.

[fooj]

98. What is she hiding?

Seems like a valid question to me.

[symbolman]

58. K & R

Am I to assume that Bev Harris has DEFRAUDED people then?

For some reason, some criminals WANT to be caught, at least that's what I've heard before.. silly quirk of the human mind.

How someone can call TIW a Jerk for turning over a rock and showing us the maggots and slugs underneath is beyond me, she's to be congratulated and thanked, and I for one THANK HER.

Also to Lump in those who find TO and Leopold's fantasies dangerous to the credibility as jerks as well is also ridiculous - you should rethink your parameters and do some examination if you seriously think that way, because you have other valuable things to say..


Keep holding her feet to the fire, maybe NOW a group of concerned donators will demand their money back on a large scale, they certainly seem to have cause..

[troubleinwinter]

96. I love your avatar...

I look like a combination of her and post #61. Maybe a lot closer to your avatar.

[symbolman]

100. It's the first known representation in scuptural form

of a Madonna made by a primitive hand, the Mother of ALL things - represents fertility and nurturance, something our world seems to have found cheap and useless these days. People need to learn to respect this planet, our symbols need not be made into something else (Hitler did that, the swastika used to stand for Peace in more than one culture), and we need to get back to our original humanity..

One value that's been tossed in the ditch was HONESTY, and while we have people that are BEING dishonest WHILE they complain about corporation or Govt DISHoesty then there's a problem.. of course then there's the LOSS of people who never got what they PAID for.

You are dispensing all of the values of that ageless (and one of the most beautiful) sculpture, you nurture us by feeding us the Truth :)

[MissWaverly]

60. Thanks for following up on this Trouble in Winter

Andy would be pleased.

:-)

[benburch]

65. Indeed he would.

He never minced words when he talked to me about Bev.

[MissWaverly]

66. no his words on Bev were liberally sprinkled

with tabasco sauce.

:-)

[troubleinwinter]

78. No words could make me feel more honored.

Truth... for Andy and for the rest of us.

[MissWaverly]

87. You are welcome

Andy was for voting rights, he always believed that the "little guy" could have a say against
the political machine. I think that your efforts stand for accountability which I think
we have not had for a long time in this country.

[fooj]

97. Well said.

:hi:

[MissWaverly]

117. Thanks Fooj

I remember my mother saying "does it have the Good Housekeeping Seal of Approval." What seal
of approval do these machines have. These is all just nonsense to suck up our votes.

[fooj]

130. Yes.

Andy is pleased.

[banana republican]

67. BBV's Potential Penalties

Sec. 4958 imposes a two-tiered excise tax on a disqualified person when a Sec. 501(c)(3) or (4) organization engages in an excess benefit transaction. Initially, there is a 25% excise tax; if the excess benefit is not promptly paid back within a correction period, a subsequent 200% excise tax on disqualified persons who receive the excess benefit is imposed. Additionally, a 10% excise tax is imposed on organization managers who knowingly, willfully or without reasonable cause participate in the excess benefit transaction. Secs. 4961(a) and 4962(a) and the regulations thereunder permit the abatement of first- and second-tier taxes if the excess benefit is repaid within the correction period defined under Sec. 4963(e).

<snip>

Sec. 4958(f) defines a disqualified person as a person who, with respect to any transaction with an applicable exempt organization, at any time during a five-year period beginning after Sept. 13, 1995 and ending on the date of such transaction, was in a position to exercise substantial influence over the organizations affairs. Prop. Regs. Sec. 53.4958-3 specifically identifies certain persons as having substantial influence, including:

1. Any individual who serves as a voting member on the organizations governing body.

2. Any individuals with the powers or responsibilities of the president, chief executive officer (CEO), chief operating officer, chief financial officer or treasurer.

3. Any individual (regardless of title) who has or shares ultimate responsibility for managing the organizations financial assets and has or shares authority to sign drafts, direct the signing of drafts, or authorize electronic transfer of funds from organization bank accounts.

4. Any person with a material financial interest in certain provider-sponsored organizations in which a hospital that is an applicable tax-exempt organization participates.

http://www.aicpa.org/pubs/taxadv/online/0399clin.htm

If Bev has received money in excess of the fair market value of her services this could be a VERY big penalty. worst case scenario on a $100K excess benefits transaction with 5 member of the BOD:

25% penality $25,000
200% penality $200,000
Personal liability of BOD members $50,000
Repayment of the original amount $100,000

Total amount due $375,000

Hope she kept some of the money...

ON EDIT:

this doesn't include non-filing penalties, unrelated business tax penalties. and interest on the above...

[troubleinwinter]

74. I'm not so sure

"excess benefit transaction" is applicable to the circumstances here.

Perhaps if you can explain in layman's terms.

I wouldn't think it would be good for people to be thinking a $375k penalty if this does not relate to the situation.

Can you clarify your post?

[banana republican]

103. Excess benefit transactions are when a "key"

individuals in the organization is paid more in property or cash than the fair market value of their services.

A "key" individual in this in this case would be the executive director (e.g. Bev Harris), the members of the Board of Directors, or any other person who has a significant control over the actions of the non-profit (this can also include fund raisers, accountants, attorneys or consultants).

The "excess benefit transaction" is where there is not an "arms length" bargining for services rendered. In a previous post on this issue a question was raised about the $60,000 in printing costs that BBV incurred during the 2004-2005 fiscal year. If those costs were used to publish Bev's book AND the profits from the sale of that book went to BBV, there is no problem. If however as some suggested the profits went to Bev and NOT BBV then it would be an excess benefits transaction in the amount of $60,000. The penalties would apply to the $60,000 instead of the $100,000 in the example.

Excess benefits transactions usually take the following forms:

a) Executive directors who are paid significantly more than the prevailing rate for similar organizations. About 5 years ago there was a big flap in Seattle relating to the executive driector's salary for the United Way of King County. As I recall a new director was hired at a salary of around $120,000 per year. Most executive directors of non-profits at that time were making about $60,000 to $80,000. This was in all of the newspapers and on the tube for a few weeks while it was sorted out. As I recall the organization was able to justify the amount because of the size of the organization.


b) Sales of real estate at significantly less than it's appraised value to an executive director or board member.

c) Entering into agreements with commercial fund raisers where the fund raiser is paid a percentage of the gross or recieves a significant amount of the funds raised (see United Cancer Council, Inc. vs. Commissioner, 109 T.C. 326)

What does not qualify under this section is the theft of funds. (see Varitey Club Number 6 Charities vs. The Commissioner of the IRS, Tax Court Memo 1997-575)

[troubleinwinter]

114. The 'printing and publishing'

costs of $45,215 are certainly a very curious looking number. I believe the book was published in early 2004, several months prior to the creation of the tax exempt 501(c)(3), so I wouldn't think that BBV.org paying the costs of publishing the book would be legitimate.

[troubleinwinter]

115. Two questions:

1) BBV claimed to have donated $2,000 to the attorneys in Ohio to fight Censure. Should that number be seen on Part II line 22?

2) "Excess benefit transaction"... A hypothetical, to see if I am understanding it correctly:

Bev Harris owns the domain 'BlackBoxVoting.org'.

So if she were to sell or lease it to BBV for $40,000, it would show up as a 'publishing' expense for the organization, and the amount of the $40,000 pocketed by Bev over the actual worth of the domain would be the amount of excess benefit?

[banana republican]

125. To answer your questions

1) I assume that you mean on Form 990 Part II Line 22 since it is not a "grant" it would not appear there. However it should show up on (at a minimum) on FORM 990 PART II LINE 32 under as "legal Fees" under "Program Services" since it was a part of their "exempt" purposes and not an "overhead expense" related to the general management of the organization.

As an aside; all payments over $600 to attorneys' made by a business are required to be reported to the IRS on form 1099-MISC. This would be reported in either Box 7(for general attorney fees) or Box 14(for the proceeds of litigation). See Internal Revenue Code Section 6045(f). In short Bev should have filed a 1099-MISC with both the attorneys', the IRS and they should have a copy on file in BBV's office.

2) This should show up on Schedule A PART III LINE 2a and following since there was a transaction between a "key" individual and the organization. There should be a note (e.g. something like "SEE STATEMENT 1") where the nature and the amount of the transaction would be shown. If the actual Fair Market Value of the Domain was $1,000, and Bev pocketed $40,000 on the transaction; it would appear that there would indeed be an excess benefits transaction in the amount of $39,000 ($40,000-$1,000). One needs to examine the original lease and or sale documents to determine the final outcome.

[flyingobject]

126. since the IRS doesn't have this, is it valid?

Is the 990 that BBV.org sent to Trouble any good, or is it
perhaps just a rough draft?


The IRS has confirmed that they didn't get the tax return - so
this one isn't a legal document, is it.

It is on the bbv.org website though.

This is real screwy.

[troubleinwinter]

128. Well the question wasn't directed to me,

and I aint a tax attorney or CPA, but I have spent enough time reading tax law and talking to WA State & IRS to have gotten a pretty damned hard understanding about the matter.

My request was for a copy of BBV's 990 tax FILING. What was sent is no such thing, as it was never filed. It's just pieces of paper at this point.

There are penalties for failure to comply with a 990 copy request. Only $20 per day, (to $10,000 plus to $5,000 for "willful failure to comply"). At this point, it would appear that BBV is in the drink for $780. Not tons of money, but if I were a donor, I'd sure be pissed off. That doesn't count penalties for late filing of 990 & penalties for failure to file and deposit payroll taxes for at least a year.

Posting a non-filed 990 and representing it as a true filing? Might be a more serious matter.

Then there's the issue of the non-profit tax exempt status with the IRS. I wonder about that.

Then there are certain filing requirements regarding the State of Washington. WA requires a copy of the 990 two weeks after the IRS. Questions not only about the status of BBV soliciting, but about retaining their status within the state where they obtained their incorporation.

Lotsa mighty dicey questions.

[flyingobject]

131. did BBV ever do the paperwork required by Washington?

Other posts had mentioned that BBV did not register with
Washington as a non profit, and that they had to.

did I get that right?

[troubleinwinter]

133. She had not registered with the State of Washington as of 3 weeks ago,

(as a charitable organization) so has been soliciting in violation of Washington law for two years:

RCW 19.09.065
Charitable organizations .... — Registration required — .....


(1) All charitable organizations...shall register with the secretary prior to conducting any solicitations.

(2) Failure to register as required by this chapter is a violation of this chapter.


RCW 19.09.100
Conditions applicable to solicitations

(15) No entity may engage in any solicitation for contributions for ... any charitable organization ... unless the charitable organization ... is currently registered with the secretary.

(18) Failure to comply with subsections (1) through (17) of this section is a violation of this chapter.


RCW 19.09.275
Violations — Penalties.

(1) Any person who knowingly violates any provision of this chapter ... is guilty of a gross misdemeanor punishable under chapter 9A.20 RCW.


RCW 9A.20.021

(2) Gross misdemeanor. Every person convicted of a gross misdemeanor defined in Title 9A RCW shall be punished by imprisonment in the county jail for a maximum term fixed by the court of not more than one year, or by a fine in an amount fixed by the court of not more than five thousand dollars, or by both such imprisonment and fine.

She's been soliciting for two years without being registered.

The IRS 990 form is also to be sent to WA state with the deadline two weeks after IRS filing deadline (which was over two months ago, 5/15) It had not been rec'd by WA as of 6/30.

Then there's this:

Washington State Requirements

In the state of Washington, non-profit corporations must file an annual report each year with Olympia during the corporation's "anniversary month."

If it is not filed, the Secretary of State will involuntarily dissolve the corporation.

Having your corporate status lapse means losing your 501(c)(3) status, since the status is granted to the corporation.

[troubleinwinter]

127. Hm.

1) This would not directly relate to legal matters involving BBV. This would have been a "donation" to the cause of assisting the Ohio attnys. fight censure. A "donation", not a legitimate legal expense... which is why I would expect to see it reflected somewhere if it had indeed been given. BBV claims it on their site as a "donation".

What is the definition or description of "grants and allocations" Line 22/990?

2) Thanks... I have a clear undertanding now. If there were such an excess transaction, an IRS audit would determine this?

[garybeck]

68. I AM SICK OF PEOPLE WASTING TIME ON THIS.

do you care more about this or the integrity of our election system? people in this forum are putting in much of their own time to work on real issues that affect our election system.

you may have some valid points but this is not related to election reform. we don't have time to waste on this. report your findings to a citizen watchdog group or a state's attorney.

this forum is supposed to be about fixing our election system, for krissake. everytime someone posts something like this, valuable time gets wasted.

maybe you can focus equal attention on the voting machine companies' financial reports. then it would at least *appear* as if you were working on election reform.

stop wasting time. work for election reform.

[benburch]

69. Respectfully, I think you have no clue how deep this corruption might go.

And I have not stopped working for election reform.

Nor has ANYBODY here.

[troubleinwinter]

70. Keeping our house clean is a worthy effort.

It is important to keep OUR OWN house clean.

If there are signs of a rat infestation under our couch, should we shine a light and determine if there is an infestation? Or should we turn a blind eye until the couch stuffing has been eaten away?

The rat has been chewing away at other legitimate orgs. We need to see what is under the couch and decide if we care to sweep it out and clean up its messes.

[fooj]

73. You make a valid point, TIW!

Cleaning house is always a good thing. I'd elaborate, but I've got a deadline to meet.

[benburch]

76. You can come clean my house any time.

I even have a new packet of bags for the vaccum.

[EFerrari]

85. Right. I don't think our heads will EXPLODE if we try to

tend our own garden.

Thank you, TIW, for doing that for us.

[MissWaverly]

89. agree, consider your efforts like consumer reports

which voting rights group are the best to handle this, obviously we are up against Megabucks
so where do we spend our pennies, who gives us the biggest bang for the buck. If there's
problems with a group; it should be critiqued. Nobody wants to waste money on a bad appliance
and this is much more important than buying a new vacuum.

[Kelvin Mace]

91. Gee, I wonder if Gary

is posting these type of demands over at Bevville about Bev's trashing VTUSA.

[Boredtodeath]

120. Of course not.

Gary is clearly Mr. Double Standard.

[Boredtodeath]

72. I AM SICK OF PEOPLE TELLING ME HOW TO THINK

Stop wasting my time and get to work on election reform.

oh, and while you're at it..........

I AM SICK OF PEOPLE TELLING ME WHO I CAN ASSOCIATE WITH.

Stop wasting my time and get to work on election reform.

[EFerrari]

84. deleted

[MissWaverly]

88. I believe you are wrong, I sent Bev Harris $50.00 to help

fix the problem with the voting machines, if there are problems then we should know about them.
The voting machine problem has not gone away; we still have Diebold here in Maryland. I still
intend to support voting reform activists but which one is the real deal. And yes I give money
to Howard Dean, Chuck Schumer, Ted Strickland and Ben Cardin like the good little democrat I
am. But I think this voting machine issue is something we must pursue as well.

[Kelvin Mace]

90. For about the 400th time

We are working on election reform. Exposing a dishonest activist is part of the job.

[flyarm]

93. SO RIGHT .IF WE ARE WORKING ON ELECTION REFORM

AND WE ARE WORKING IT CORRECTLY..and demanding truth of our government and we are demanding transparency for our votes..shouldn't we expect at least that same transparency of those who stand by our side in the fight..and those we provide the money to , to fight in our name??

i for one, want a full accounting of the money collected for the purpose of election reform that i help get sent to < anyone > in the reform buisness..

i want to know ..how much they collected, from who they collected it..and how they spent it ..or if they spent it, for what it was collected for...
and if they told the truth..and if they followed the laws of my country!

you would not build a house with a poor foundation..it would not be safe nor reliable..and i would not trust it in a storm..

i feel the same in this regard..

why work your ass off in reform of our elections if the foundation is crooked ..or put together by a lousy or illegitimate architect..or a architect who was on the take and deliberately made your foundation falible because it would pocket them more money , at the cost of your safety?? or if they were covering up for a crooked builder..

fly

[fooj]

94. For our Lady...

[symbolman]

99. KICK

for those that want honor and dignity in the process of Voter Fraud exposing..

Otherwise you might as well be flushing your money down the toilets like Bush is with the fetusii that must be protected at all costs.

We can't fight crooks with thieves, we need higher standards in the Public eye

Thanks for making this info available and to those fighting the good fight, who needed the funding that was squandered on someone who didn't deserve it.

[Swamp Rat]

102. k&r

[arwalden]

104. Interesting.

[w4rma]

105. Why are you wasting your time on your revenge against BBV?

I think there are more important things to do.

[flyarm]

109. since when is accountability revenge?..i don't understand why

you would not want accountability from someone who has lied over and over again...

what could be more important than transparency and accountability ..when that is what we are demanding for our own elections..

i can see nothing more important!

[fooj]

116. I certainly don't view it as revenge...

I see it as JUSTICE

[troubleinwinter]

118. Why are you wasting your time telling fellow DUers to avoid truth?

[mom cat]

106. K&R

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

108. Penalties for failure to file

For the organization - up to $10,000

If not corrected after notice from IRS, the individual responsible for filing is subject to a penalty of up to $5,000

http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/i990-ez.pdf

page 6 of Form 990 Instructions

[troubleinwinter]

110. Penalties

Also penalties for failure to fully comply with a 990 copy request, also up to $10,000, additional to $5,000 for 'willful' refusal.

Penalties for failure to file or deposit payroll taxes for an entire year.

[flyingobject]

111. has anyone asked BBV.org if they filed with the IRS?

I guess the question must be specific -

not just did you prepare a 990, but did you file it?

If IRS is being accurate?, why hasn't BBV.org filed their tax
return with the IRS?

This is weird.

Seems like they would be rushing a copy off to the IRS now.

[troubleinwinter]

112. TWO people confirmed with IRS that it wasn't filed.

Hard to imagine that asking BBV would be useful, but it might be entertaining. Phone numbers & email are right on the front page of the website.

[flyingobject]

135. BBV meltdown

http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/17778.html?1153513020#POST26185

[salin]

137. apparently, everyone who is critical of bbv and/or Bev Harris

is govt Psyops. At least according to posters on that thread. That's good for a chuckle.

[fooj]

113. Things are never as they seem in Bushworld.

Some are bound BY LAW...some are not. Hmmmmmmmmmm...

[understandinglife]

119. Kick.

Not One Line Of Software Between A Voter And A Valid Election

[Janice325]

121. kick

[flyingobject]

122. question about possible smoke and mirrors

questions -

1. Why would BBV.org send their tax return 990 to activists but not the IRS?

2. What is the excuse given for not filing it?

3. Is the 990 posted at BBV.org legitimate, and if so, why doesn't the IRS have it?

4. If/When the IRS does get the 990, what if it is different from the one first seen?

5. Could it be that the tax return we have seen is not the tax return that the government is going to
see?

6. Couldn't BBV.org find an excuse for the changes made and just pay some penalties?

It is just crazy.

[fooj]

123. One for the road...

[Cookie wookie]

138. priceless!!!!! n/t

[troubleinwinter]

124. Lotsa good questions.

Where ARE the answers?

6. It's donors' money that would go to the IRS to pay the penalties. I'd sure be interested to hear the 'excuse' for not filing. I just read Verified Voting's 990s today. They filed ON TIME, without six month extension, and it was prepared and signed by a CPA. They have the exact fiscal year as BBV, and it was in the hands of the IRS and stamped by IRS last November, and is on Guidestar. How 'bout that?

[fooj]

129. ******crickets********

[EFerrari]

132. Hands full but, yeah. crickets.

End and means.

Do we know the difference?

Do we effen care? I do.

[fooj]

134. kick

[Boredtodeath]

136. Where are those self righteous screamers?

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