Bush Won Because He Is A "Strong Leader"?

[George_S]

According to this poll,

http://election.cbsnews.com/election2004/poll/poll_p____u_s__all_us0.shtml

what swayed the Bush voters the most was that Bush is a strong leader. That factor more than anything is strongest for Bush.

However, we know Bush is "strong" in the sense the Limbaugh, Hannity or Coulter are strong: they stay on message despite any logic to the contrary.

Solution: An educational web site that breaks down their "logic" and reveals their fallacies. Would the site have to be from a university or other reputable source for educational purposes to get around copyright issues?

[kanrok]

1. Limburger is a strong cheese

Doesn't mean I like it.

[GreenPartyVoter]

5. *lmbo*

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[shance]

2. Bush lost, but he has buddies in the electronic world of voting**

Where a virtual vote is just as important as a real one*****

Time to wake up everyone!

Lady Lib needs us to open our eyes and say NO to these individuals who are running roughshod on our Democracy.

[gWbush is Mabus]

3. he is "strong" b/c the media referred to him as "strong leader" for 3 yrs

that and "popular wartime president"
the media lies

-he went on vacation for 2 months
-didn't do shit when he got the memo
-left Osama for the drug warlords in a 20 square mile zone
-went after the wrong country
-didn't do shit about Saudi Arabia

but at least he had the photo op with the bullhorn


boycott CNN!!!!


ps-the media is also responsible for spreading the swift boat smears which put doubt in people's minds about JFK's true heroism and leadership abilities!

the media sucks

[Demit]

4. "Isn't that a fine suit of clothes the tailors have sewn for the Emperor?"

Why, everyone says so. It must be true!

[noiretextatique]

6. i like your idea

we do need to analyze and translate the way conservatives use language. * is exactly the opposite of everything they claim he is...his "strength" is really weakness. he lacks intelligence, character and morals; he is a small, petty, vindictive sociopath who takes pleasure in causing harm. to him, this war is little more than a video game...he could care less about the dead and dying.

[Fortunato]

9. Comments about Bush

Wouldn't go that far. (Both sides can read the possible worst into Kerry or Bush, but demonization never helps, and is usually off to some degree.)

I think Bush actually means well ... which only makes it worse. He is destroying everything he claims to believe in, and doesn't even see it, because he has no real ability to stand outside himself and recognize what he's doing. His inability to note complexities came out during the debate, when his best retort to Kerry's explanation of the nuances of abortion rights and other issues was a frantic, "You can run but you can't hide. Nyah nyah nyah."

The crown of "God's mandate" has fallen down over his eyes. He fights for certain pieces of "Christianity" without taking a real interest in the poor, the rights and freedoms of others to make their own choices, the lives of people who might be hurt by his actions, the fact that he is not "King" but is supposed to serve the will and interests of his constituents.

He refuses any advice but his own "gut" (the marks of a foolish man), even from advisors he has hand-picked, and he refuses to humble himself to accepting correction or accountability from others. ("I'm the president. I don't HAVE to explain myself.") I would have to consider this poor character by even general standards (let alone "BIblical" ones).

To be honest, I grieve for fellow Christians who vote only on the litmus tests of abortion, gay marriage, and stem cell research. These issues are important and must be dealt with, but poverty and social injustic are even far larger issues... and no one seems to care about those because they demand an investment of one's personal time if they are to be resolved.

We're swamped with rabid Bush supporters out here in the Pennsylvania "Bible Belt," so it gets really frustrating every time there's a national election, to see so many people respond with so little thought.

Anyway, regardless of the issues of fraud, if Kerry had only been a stronger candidate, I think we would have seen a much different outcome...

[noiretextatique]

11. this is the president you are talking about

god help us.
imagine the delusion one would have to be under having complete self-knowledge of his own lack of character and fitness for such a huge responsibility, but feeling *entitled* to the office anyway, as a member of the aristocracy.
* is the very embodiment of everything that's wrong with this country.
sorry...the man is a sociopath.

[blm]

7. Because fundies are convinced Bush is leading them into the End Times.

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[Bridget Burke]

10. No, he won because of "moral values"---or maybe because of his

"strength" against terror. (President My Pet Goat, indeed.) Where in the exit polls was "attack guns for pre-schoolers" mentioned?

You guys really need to coordinate your talking points.

Isn't Bush a rich elitist? He tried to get into law school; UT rejected him. No grad school, no deferment; thus, his illustrious flying career!

[MaineYooper]

15. thanks for repeating the B/C campaign ads,

once again, showing what a great job the repub obfuscation machine did.

[George_S]

17. Bush won because he has Karl Rove

and for no other reason. That's the whole point.

If a prof wants to put proof of their political fallacies on the net for all to see, cool. If not, nothing ventured, nothing gained.

It would make a good class project. Of course, there is the risk that the Dems own fallacies would come to light as well, as they should. There are a lot more to mine on the conservative side though.

It's the vote that matters.

[ChiciB1]

12. BUTT-OUT!!

Pro-Gun-Dem! We AIN'T stopping and Kerry is heads above what we have NOW! An absolute lunatice IDIOT, who is delusional. HE TALKS TO HIMSELF!! What more do you need??

Go Away! I want this checked out Nationally.... this Fraud could have been perpetrated on a National level and they only want us to look at Specific States. Let's get on with it.

How Do We Go NATIONAL and get investigators EVERYWHERE????

Bush, A Good Leader??? What ARE You Drinking.... Red Kool Aid, or better yet, does your state support Mary Jane and you got some???

I live in Sarasota County and we worked out hearts out and it was thought Cruella (Katherine Harris) was going DOWN. But now, she's still around. I had lots of Republicans telling me THEY WEREN'T VOTING FOR BUSH. We got GREAT SUPPORT AND RESPONSE here!! We were almost sure we were taking the county!! Stick that where you want too!

[RuleofLaw]

13. Funny!

Isn't it funny, that the exit polls are valid for everything but, THE FREAKING ELECTION!

I am so tired of hearing about the exit polls shows this and the exit polls shows that and then at the same time hear, that their are wrong when we use them for the actual election result!:evilfrown:

[driver8]

16. butt out

Not only does Dubya talk to himself, he talks to God and God talks back!!

How in the hell did this lunatic win this election? How? What is going on in the minds of the people that voted for him? It defies any explanation that Kerry did not win by a landslide.

Bush proved what a leader he was on 9/11...he looked like a boy who had just lost his mama at the supermarket.

This election was not legit, it was stolen! There is just to much evidence that points to this...

[qwlauren35]

14. It's just relative.

Bush won because he was forcefully unrepentant about his agenda, and Kerry wasn't as forceful.

I'm convinced that even if 59 million people voted for Bush, many of them didn't do so because they like the President, but simply because they saw him as the lesser of two evils when compared to Kerry.

It's the only thing that explains the extreme LACK of gloating around me.

[George_S]

18. attacks on a "liberal media" affect public opinion.

The constant attacks on a "liberal media" affect public opinion. A 1999 study by Republican pollster Frank Luntz found that 74 percent of Republicans think that most journalists are more liberal than they are and 7 percent think journalists share their ideology. That's hardly surprising. But even 47 percent of Democrats see journalists as more liberal than they are, with 16 percent sharing their ideology and 28 percent perceiving journalists as more conservative.

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Political_Reform/HowLeftCanWinArguments.html

It's a good article on how and why the left is losing. There is also a section on how to write a good letter to the editor.