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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:18 AM
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NO SEQUOIA IN ESSEX county for now-- WE WON - YES -WE WON
WE won! The Essex County Freeholders Voted 5 to 3 to not authorize the bond to purchase voting machines. One Freeholder was not in attendance. Alfie Charles and his 3 other Sequoia cohorts immediately left the chambers.

At one point one of the Freeholders was holding a copy of S29, NewJerseys proposed State Senate VVPR law, As the Freeholder asked SOE Carmine Cascaino that since S29 had been fast-tracked in the Senate and is likely to pass by June 30th does it make sense to buy a machine that has a printer available for it. Carmine said that since there was no standards that he couldnt buy a printer. The Freeholder said "I am holding the standards!". It was a beautifull moment.

That was when Alfie Charles got up--stood in the aisle like he was going to charge------

After Rebeca Mercuris presentation she got a Ovation, some of us stood immediately, after a minute more poeple stood, and the ovation lasted a good 3 minutes.

Carmine repeatedly lied. He said HAVA reqiured replacement of lever machines. He said State law stated there was a dealine to purchase by Sept. 1st. The NJ HAVA plan, a directive from the Attorney General (who runs the Elections in NJ, not the SOS) states there is a deadline, but that is not a state law. 3 weeks earlier he told the Freeholders that there was only one certified machine in NJ, The Sequoia Advantage. 2 weeks earlier he told me in the hallway after the meeting there was 3. 1 week earlier Donna Kelley of the AGs office told the Freeholders that there was 5 machines. Jon Casiano, a reporter for the Newark Star Ledger did some digging was told there were 6 machines. After Carmine gave his presentation, Alfie Charles VP of Sequoia forgot what Carmine said, and contradicted Carmine by saying HAVA did not require the replacement of lever machines, way to go Alfie !

Before the vote, I spoke for a second time, acknowledging that the Freeholders were between a rock and a hard place, that they were not given much of a choice. I also said that I supported the Freeholders in that at some point they would have to vote for a bond to purchase voting machines, but there was no rush, that there was a month or 2 before they had to make a choice. And that I looked forward to working with them to explore the different options, and that I would support speeding up the NJ Certification process, which would give them more choices. I felt at that time that we had our 5 votes, and I was being magnaminious. Like it was a done deal, I knew the bond wouldn't pass. Ha!

After the vote, the crew from Sequoia stalked out of the chambers and promptly vanished, HA ! One of the Freeholders thanked me in the hallway, I told her thank you for her no vote. She is a republican. Shes OK by me.

We now have 6 weeks before the next meeting, when the bond can be brought up again. During that 6 weeks I plan to have 2 maybe 3 Teach-ins. Lynn Landes has agreed to speak, I am sure Rebeca Mercuri will come back up to speak, I plan to video the Teach-ins so I can go to different towns, taking the teach-in on tour, if you will. We have agreed to hold conferences with the Freeholders, to get them completely up to speed, espescially on the misinformation that has been put out. State Senators, assembly persons, Congressional representatives all will be invited to the teach-ins. We have to put pressure on the AG Office to speed up the certificatio process.

On December 7th 1941 the Imperial Japanese Navy bombed Pearl Harbor. About 3 months later a US Navy Task Force that incuded the Carrier Wasp with land based B-25 Mithchell 2 Engine bombers that had been craned onto the deck, set sail from Pearl Harbor, and at about 1100 miles from Japan the B-25s were launched. They flew to Tokyo and dropped incindeary bombs, starting hundreds of fires. The B-25s then flew to Mainland China. About 95 crewmen made the flight. 3 months later about 65 men had been resued by the Chinese and brought back to the US. The surviving crewmen were brought to the White House where a very famous picture was taken with President Roosevelt.
And then the American people were told. We had struck back. We had taken the fight to the Japanese Capital city. Symbolicly that signaled the end of the war in the Pacific. The Imperial navy was ordered back into a defensive posture, and they played defense the rest of the way back to Japan. Army Air corp. COl. Dolittle had the idea that the B-25 could take off from a carrier, he led the raid on Tokyo. Its known as the Dolittle raid.

Essex County New Jersey has struck back. And just as in the War in the Pacific, the major battles are to come. But we have struck back. The standard has been set for the rest of New Jersey. Sequoia knows we can stop them.

Thank you Katherine, Jay, Justin, Paul, Fran and her husband, Ed, Peter, Trina, Ted, Ellen, and Ellen, Burt, Richard, Werner, Jon, Pat, BIll, John, Pam, Rebeca, and Ron.

I'd like to also thank Ellen Theisen from votersunite, Renne Steinhagen of NJ Appleseed and Andy Stephenson for their support and words of encouragment. And of course the 5 Essex County Freeholders who voted the bond down.

The Essex County Task Force on E-Voting has struck back.

Roger D. Fox
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:23 AM
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1. One small step...
The really 'hard work' will be the battles we have to fight to take our country back. It is so encouraging to hear stories like this.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:16 PM
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27. one small step on Bushs back one giant step for mankind-
Neil Armstrong said that
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:26 AM
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2.  Congratulations!
You made it as obvious as possible that these guys want NO records of the vote. That's just AWESOME!

:bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce::bounce:
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:29 AM
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3. I heard Sequoia got Chicago-- now if there was any lobby
$$$$ coming into Essex county that MAY Dry up--

Alfie was SOOOOOOOO pissed HAHAHAHAhahahah haha aahah a ha
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:32 AM
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4. He was pissed? Icing!
:rofl:
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:42 AM
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7. at one point he stepped into the aisle and looked like he was going to
blow a cork--- OMG---- ALfie Charles--- thanks for the help. Ever think of changing your name to Richard--becasue you are a ____
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dalloway Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:40 AM
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5. Way to go Roger!
:yourock:

Keep me posted about the teach-ins--I'd like to help spread the word.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:45 AM
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8. Teach ins- I have Lynn Landes lined up-- Rebeca Mercuri is sure to be
back in Essex---

Though the 1st one may be the team that got us this far.

think Maplewood Library-- ya know where that is ?
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dalloway Donating Member (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:51 AM
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10. absolutely! You and your team are awesome!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:59 PM
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24. Well it was Justin @ BLuwave and his people
Katherine @ DFA, Essex and her people.

And My little
newjersey Voting Issues Project [email protected]

I suggested we put our election reform components together, and we became the Essex County Task Force on E-Voting.
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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:14 PM
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33. It was all of you. Take credit for your part. It took the entire
fellowship to get the ring to Mordor. Without any of them, it wouldn't have happened. You've been working hard on this for quite some time.
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GuvWurld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:41 AM
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6. Nominated - Celebrate and Promote All Victories to the Hilt
Great work Roger, and thanks for the report. I hope we can duplicate your success here in CA next week.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:49 AM
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9. This was the 3rd meeting on this bond issue--we had REAMS OF PEOPLE
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 10:51 AM by FogerRox
Never -- we were told -- that no-one remembered seeing this response on any Issue. Ever--

the back wall of the chambers was lined with people--standing for up to 4 hours, some folks had to hang in the hall to talk or go to the bathroom,

But this a stay we have 6 weeks to effect the way the NJ Cerification
works------ very slow--but now we shoed that we are a credible force. And that goes a long way in getting attention from the right people like the GOvernor, and Jon Corzine.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:53 AM
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11. Excellent!
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Ellipsis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:59 AM
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12. Kudos!
Congratulations Mr Fox



360/10:patriot:
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 10:59 AM
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13. This is awesome news.
Are there other counties in NJ being pressured to by Sequoia or Diebold vapor not paper machines?

Victory in Essex County! Sweet.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:17 PM
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28. NJ is alraedy moslt Seuoia Advantages--about 6500 of them
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foo_bar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 02:21 PM
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39. here
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:17 AM
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14. Well done! But be careful what you wish for.
OK, so Sequoia machines aren't the only ones certified. Suppose you end up with Diebold?

Here's why I like that Advantage machine, if you MUST have DREs at all:

The whole ballot is right in front of the voter at all times. You don't have a separate summary screen. If ANY action the voter takes in one race charges his/her vote in another race, it should be visible immediately. With the multi-page machines, you can have vote switching on other pages triggered by actions taken on the present page. Only the Summary screen, or the VVPAT would reveal this, and not all voters look at them.

The Advantage also cuts the VVPATs into sheets so they're randomized in the box. This keeps the ballot secret because you can't associate a vote with a particular voter. Not so with paper roll machines that preserve the vote order. In order to randomize those, you need more than one machine per precinct, no matter how small the precinct is!

The best part was when you said that HAVA does NOT require replacement of lever machines! I agree and as I said, I've heard this from some reliable sources. It's a little-known fact unfortunately.

Roger, I wish you the best of luck in Joyzy! You may find a better machine than Sequoia, but be careful what you wish for because I think there are worse machines too. Best thing is to BAN DREs entirely, which I'm sure you agree with.

BTW, Sequoia is owned by Venezuelans now, isn't it? Better that than the corrupt government of the failed state of OHIO!
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:48 PM
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20. Bill- My undertanding is that that printer is not a VVPR printer
MErcer County bought Advantages um 2004--- And this year they asked for VVPR printers--and were told no---you have to buy new machines. Like the Edge.

YES A Full face DRE is the ---choke-- best DRE LOL We may have the Avante full face w/printer certified in time for Purchase.

Avante is in NJ and we woould probably get treated like kings, the service would be good because Avante is small and hungry. I doubt Sequoia service could match them for only a purchase of 750 Machines-

Sequoia just got Chicago-- whats little Essex county? nutin-
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:52 PM
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31. Well, if you are on speaking terms with Seq. you could ask them.
Edited on Fri Jun-10-05 03:52 PM by Bill Bored
They told the NYC BOE as well as the state legislature that they have a full-face DRE with VVPAT cut into sheets. If it's not the push-button one, it may be the large:puke:touch screen one. But I think they finally have it on the Advantage.

Avante sounds OK if it's also full face.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 03:21 PM
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36. yeah its inside the MAchine---the printer is
ANd that is in no way compliant. I am talking about the Full face Advantge. Which may not even be elegible for hava funds 'cause the Advantage doesnt meet 2002 Fed. Standards
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 12:33 PM
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38. Why is inside the machine not compliant?
1. There's no federal VVPAT requirement in the first place.

2. If there were a VVPAT requirement, the paper would of course have to visible, but it would also of course have to stay inside the machines.

So what's not compliant about the Advantage? At least buttons won't go out of calibration the way touch screens can.
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jun-12-05 02:58 PM
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40. The entire thing is inside--the voter has to verify the paper.
Edited on Sun Jun-12-05 03:00 PM by FogerRox
VVPR = cut & drop--- the goes paper into a box stored separate from the DRE.

It may be the Errror rate on the Advantage is too HI to meet the 2002 standards
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Bill Bored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-13-05 09:44 PM
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41. Yeah except the 2002 error rate is HIGHER. nt
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:38 AM
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15. And guess who Alfie Charles is, Californians?
Former aide to former Republican California Secretary of State Bill Jones--the one who authorized the purchase of all these shoddy, fraud-prone electronic voting machines here, then went to work for Sequoia (as did Charles)!

The "revolving door" employment--public service vs. private voting machine companies--is a scandal all by itself.

(Jones ran for US Senate in CA in 2004, and got royally whomped by Barbara Boxer! --20% margin of victory!)

Please see these DU forums for the current Diebold/ES&S crisis in California:

ACTION CALL: letters and media work needed!!! (for June 16 Sec of State meeting on Diebold and ES&S--the meeting of the Voting Systems and Procedures Panel, VSPP)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x376696

DETAILS AND BACKGROUND:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x375744

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=203x374848
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:44 AM
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16. FogerRox, thanks so much for this detailed account--and for your
public advocacy and defense of democracy! This report is so INCREDIBLY HEARTENING! This is how it's supposed to work! This what I dreamed of, when all the federal initiatives got Iron Curtained by the Bush Cartel and its lapdog press--citizens taking the matter into their own hands at the local and state level. This is the dream! This is the re-awakening of American democracy! I love you for your part in it, and for conveying it all to us! You are my hero!!!
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Peace Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:47 AM
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17. Recommended for Greatest Page! n/t
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:51 PM
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21. Wow thanks for the Recomend
This was our Dolittle raid--now we have to win the war.
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AtLiberty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:00 PM
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18. Congrats, FogerRox!
Although I'm tad jealous... *sigh*

Are you aware if Sequoia had had tried to sweeten the pot for Freeholders?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:53 PM
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22. DOnt have proof of $$$$$ flow yet-- but we may have just slowed
up the flow--or maybe dryed it up alltogether.

Fuck Sequoia--
-- I did
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Wilms Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:40 PM
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19. Nice work! n/t
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 12:54 PM
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23. just a 1st skirmish--the heavy fighting is yet to come
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truckin Donating Member (500 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:13 PM
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26. Nice work Roj! Keep up the good fight
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 02:06 PM
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29. yeah lets keep on Truckin-- >wink
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emcguffie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 01:03 PM
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25. Which ones voted no?
I'm so sorry I couldn't stay until the end. I knew there would be fireworks. And I'm glad you cleared that up, that that man was lying. You just walk in there, and tell lies, and you end up with stolen elections!

How about we go see Codey too? Just go to his house?

Is there a way to get hands on the video they were making?

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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 03:48 PM
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30. Freeholders info
Freeholders Clark,
Shore, Jenkins, Caputo and Watson "no" vote, Johnny Jones was not in attendance


Freeholder President Johnny Jones.
The Committee Assignments:
Land Use Committee, Chair
Resource Recovery Oversight Committee, Chair
Committee to Investigate the ECUA, Chair
Committee to Investigate the ECIA, Chair
Sportsplex (Riverbank) Committee
Hospital Center Relocation Oversight Committee
Budget Review Committee
Essex County Transportation Advisory Board - Alternate
Essex County Improvement Authority - Parking
Project Committee - Representative
Essex County College - Police Academy Advisory Board -
Representative
Contact Information:
Email:
[email protected]
Phone: 973-621-4483
Fax: 973-621-5695
Room: 502


Freeholder Vice President
Patricia Sebold.
The Committee Assignments:
Land Use Committee
ECIA Investigative Committee
Administrative Code Oversight Committee, Chair
Board of School Estimate -Essex County College-
Representative
Turtle Back Zoo Committee, Chair
Recreation Oversight Committee
Committee to Review Funding for Public Land, Chair
Board of School Estimate-Vocational Schools
-Representative
Labor Union Oversight Committee
Deer Population Control Committee, Chair
Mosquito Control Committee
Hospital Center Relocation Committee
Budget Review Committee
Essex County Planning Board - Representative
Essex County Environmental Commission - Representative
Open Space Trust Fund Advisory Board - Representative

Liaison to Construction of Hospital Center
Contact Information:
Email:
[email protected]
Phone: 973-621-4484
Fax: 973-621-5695
Room: 507


Freeholder At Large
Blonnie R. Watson
The Committee Assignments:
Health Care/ Health Benefits Committee
Land Use Committee
ECIA Investigative Committee
Public Safety/ Penal Committee
Administrative Code Oversight Committee
Resource Recovery Oversight Committee
NJAC Representative - Alternate
Court Renovations Review Committee
Sportsplex (Riverbank) Committee
Work First NJ Review Committee
Recreation Oversight Committee
Committee to Review Funding for Public Land
Hospital Center Relocation Committee, Chair
Affirmative Action Committee
Deer Population Control Committee
Budget Review Committee
Essex County Planning Board - Alternate
Essex County Advisory Board for the Disabled -
Representative
Contact Information:
Email:
[email protected]
Phone: 973-621-4473
Fax: 973-621-5695
Room: 504


Freeholder Albertus Jenkins
The Committee Assignments:
Health Care/ Health Benefits Committee
Land Use Committee
Public Safety/ Penal Committee
Committee to Investigate the ECUA
Court Renovations Review Committee, Chair
Turtle Back Zoo Committee
Committee to Review Funding for Public Land
Mosquito Control Committee
Affirmative Action Committee
Labor Union Oversight Committee
Economic Development Committee
Deer Population Control Committee
Budget Review Committee
Essex County Improvement Authority - Parking
Project Committee - Representative
Contact Information:
Email:
[email protected]
Phone: 973-621-4467
Fax: 973-621-5695
Room: 553


Freeholder Samuel Gonzalez
The Committee Assignments:
Sportsplex (Riverbank) Committee, Chair
Recreation Oveersight Committee
Affirmative Action Committee
Labor Union Oversight Committee
Committee to Review Purchasing Procedures
Essex County Transportation Advisory Board
-Representative
Essex County College - Police Academy Advisory Board
-Alternate
Contact Information:
Email:
[email protected]
Phone: 973-621-4477
Fax: 973-621-5695
Room: 554


Freeholder D. Bilal Beasley
The Committee Assignments:
Public Safety/ Penal Committee
Resource Recovery Oversight Committee
Board of School Estimate- Essex County College-
Alternate
Court Renovations Review Committee
Work First NJ Review Committee
Board of School Estimate - Vocational Schools -
Alternate
Affirmative Action Committee, Chair
Budget Review Committee
Economic Development Committee
Contact Information:
Email:
[email protected]
Phone: 973-621-6457
Fax: 973-621-5695
Room: 552


Freeholder Carol Y. Clark
The Committee Assignments:
Health Care/ Health Benefits Committee
ECIA Investigative Committee
Resource Recovery Oversight Committee
Committee to Investigate the ECUA
NJAC- Representative
Board of School Estimate- Essex County College-
Representative
Court Renovations Review Committee
Sportsplex (Riverbank ) Committee
Work First NJ Review Committee, Chair
Recreation Oversight Committee, Chair
Economic Development Committee
Committee to Review Purchasing Procedures, Chair
Budget Review Committee
Contact Information:
Email:
[email protected]
Phone: 973-621-5680
Fax: 973-621-5695
Room: 507-A


Freeholder Muriel M. Shore
The Committee Assignments:
Health Care/ Health Benefits Committee, Chair
Administrative Code Oversight Committee
Turtle Back Zoo Committee
Mosquito Control Committee, Chair
Economic Development Committee, Chair
Hospital Center Relocation Committee
Deer Population Control Committee
Committee to Review Purchasing Procedures
NJAC Committee - Alternate
Budget Review Committee
Mental Health Advisory Board - Representative
Essex County Advisory Board for the Disabled -
Alternate
Contact Information:
Email:
[email protected]
Phone: 973-621-4481
Fax: 973-621-5695
Room: 560A


Freeholder Ralph R. Caputo
The Committee Assignments:
Administrative Code Oversight Committee
Committee to Investigate the ECUA
Turtle Back Zoo Committee
Work First NJ Review Committee
Committee to Review Funding for Public Land
Mosquito Control Committee
Board of School Estimate -Vocational Schools -
Representative
Labor Union Oversight Committee, Chair
Committee to Review Purchasing Procedures
Budget Review Committee
Essex County Planning Board - Representative
Contact Information:
Email:
[email protected]
Phone: 973-621-4479
Fax: 973-621-5695
Room: 508


Clerk of the Board, Adrianne Davis.

The Clerk of the Board as defined in
Article 2:

The Clerk shall:
a. Attend all meetings.
b. Take and preserve the minutes.
c. Keep ordinances, resolutions and minutes.
d. Have custody of the County seal.
e. Provide secretarial service for the Board
members.
f. Provide to the County Executive all documents
requiring his/her signature.
g. Prepare an agenda.
h. Provide copies of all meeting notices and
agenda.
i. Provide for the mailing of all notices.
j. Supervise secretarial staff.
Contact Information:
Email:
[email protected]
Phone: 973-621-4486
Fax: 973-621-5695
Room: 558


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Amaryllis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jun-10-05 11:08 PM
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32. Oh, joy! Good on ya, Roger :) Happy day! Did you use Land Shark's
article? Did it help?
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FogerRox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jun-11-05 11:32 AM
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35. I gave 'em Landsharks op ed
The best moment was Freefolder CLarke-- (a woman) held up a copy of S29 (NJ VVPR proposed law) and told SOE Carmine Casciano--

this has been fast tracked, it will pass by the end of the session, the Governor has said he will sign it. And you recomend that we buy a voting machine that has no printer available for it.

SOE: Its illegal for me to buy a printer until the standards are set. and then NJ has to cetrtify the printer.


CLarke, holding up the copy od S29: Superintendant Casciano, I'm holding the standards right here in my hand.


Alfie Charles VP of Sequoia stood up and walked towards the front of the seating area--looked like he wanted to jump over to attack CLarke.
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34. YOU ARE THE BEST!!!
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Contact the DNC and Give 'em Hell About NOT Acting on Election Fraud

NEW LEADERS FOR A NEW DEMOCRATIC PARTY
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37. The 1st county in NJ to kick Sequoia in the nuts ---- POW
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