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GettysbergII Donating Member (664 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-06-05 12:44 PM
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ChoicePoint saga continues...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A8587-2005Mar4?language=printer

Speaking with a lilting accent, the man said he was an executive with a Los Angeles company called M.B.S Financial. He told an employee at ChoicePoint Inc. that he wanted to open an online account with the company to receive electronic reports on people.
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Unknown to ChoicePoint, the caller was not Garrett, an actor in the Los Angeles area. Police said he was a con artist involved in a vast identity-theft scam that succeeded in making off with records of at least 145,000 people. The real Garrett was just another victim.

The imposter's attempt to gain access to even more files would not only expose the scam, but spark a national outrage and congressional hearings over whether the nation's growing commercial data industry is doing enough to guard personal information.

Yesterday, the burgeoning scandal led ChoicePoint to cut off access to some sensitive data to thousands of small businesses. The company also announced in filings with the government that two senior executives were under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission for stock trades that took place after they learned about the scheme last fall but before they made it public.
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 04:45 AM
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1. I know exactly what they mean.
We have one of the most serious security issues there is here, with the aggregators and voters being collected and then fed to the tabulators.

Most network databases have gridlock security, but many like Datamaxxx of Ohio don't, and some say it is on purpose.

If they don't address this and get into the codes on the tabulator using a forensic expert, there may not be any possible way to stop people from frauding and using fake dead people or felons to vote.



Wanted to respond to SouthernDem2004.

"Show me one instance, anywhere of verified proof relating to election fraud"

How about over 100 examples instead.

http://www.flcv.com/ussumall.html

http://www.votersunite.org/article.asp?id=3862

http://www.flcv.com/missouri.html

That's it in a nutshell, those are just a bunch of collected links from the official voter EIRS database. It talks about undervotes and fraud clear across the country.

There is no actual documented way to explain away that evidence, or say that it didn't happen everywhere.

There was undervotes and overvotes all over the place in nearly every state that even uses machines.

What's worse is not one person in the mainstream media pays any attention. The core problem underneath it is like Gettysburg basically said, aggregators gone wrong.

Registrar databases that are completely staged and used for manipulation without anyone doing anything besides a slap on the wrist.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 04:52 AM
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2. And the automation of databases all over the country continuing...
What IS going on with this information? OP on the Rigged Aggregators said Arnebeck knows about it, is that right?
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 05:00 AM
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3. He knows about how it was used in vote supression.
It is all documented on his website ohiofairelections.org

They are litigating it but I doubt even he knows how serious those issues are.

Two people were able to use an aggregator to mine 15,000 illegal identities, the associated press reported recently!

If those two people alone got access to that many profiles, or fake names how easy is it for anyone working the BOE. Its a nightmare.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 06:43 AM
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4. ohiofairelections.org doesn't seem to exist
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 06:51 AM
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5. Looks like the correct URL is
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 09:20 AM
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9. Thank you so much!
Will investigate.
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 06:54 AM
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6. I know that.
Too late so I had to edit. The address is http://ohioelection2004.com

Oh and the main page is http://www.ohiohonestelections.org
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eomer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 08:59 AM
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8. "It is all documented on his website ohiofairelections.org"
Edited on Sun Mar-20-05 09:03 AM by eomer
I did some googling and also poked around on Arnebeck's site and couldn't find anywhere where he talks about aggregators.

Can you tell me where on Arnebeck's site there is an indication that he knows about this aggregator story?

edit: typos

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DemReadingDU Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 10:44 AM
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10. Where can we find aggregator info on Arnebeck's site?
I also poked around on Arnebeck's site and couldn't find anything about aggregators.
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LatePeriduct Donating Member (660 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-20-05 04:42 PM
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11. I don't think he does know about it directly.
He only knows about the voters who were set as "No Votes" and other votes that he can't explain. It is located here.

http://p3.hostingprod.com/@ohioelection2004.com/evidence.htm

It mostly has to do with voters catergorized using provisional ballots or that weren't able to vote.

The media finally did a big story on the problem in a passive way, saying there were a bunch of glitches. Is Clifford the author of that website? He links to it from the litigation pages.
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