CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS, WELCOME ABOARD THE DU TRAIN...

[TruthIsAll]

Good work. Have a drink on us. Next, we want you to tell us
what you really think about the election on MSNBC.

Want some ammo? Here is a probability analysis applied to the
exit poll and vote data, focusing on the time zones.

The East was the Beast.

These are Kerry poll and vote averages for the states within
time zones which deviated to Bush (43 out of 51, including
DC). 

Zone	MOE     Std	Exit	Final	Vote	Dev	Dev/	Dev/
Average	        Dev	Poll	Vote	Dev	Prob 	MoE	Std

EASTERN 2.78	1.42	55.11	52.31	-2.80%	9.24%	-1.01	-1.97
CENTRAL 2.69	1.37	46.1	44.01	-2.09%	13.08%	-0.78	-1.53
MOUNTAIN2.90	1.48	41.86	39.71	-2.15%	7.17%	-0.74	-1.45
PACIFIC 2.59	1.32	50.31	48.33	-1.99%	14.26%	-0.77	-1.51


This table shows the number of states and votes in each Time
Zone which deviated to Bush (2,439,000) and to Kerry
(222,000):

Time	Dev	 Exit	Final	Vote	Vote (000)
Zone	to:	 Poll	Vote	PctDev Dev
East	Bush-22	 55.11	52.31	-2.80%	-1724
					
Cent	Bush-11	 46.10	44.01	-2.08%	-467
	Kerry-5	 36.72	38.68	1.97%	 203
					
Moun	Bush -7	 41.86	39.70	-2.15%	-130
	Kerry-1	 39.28	39.51	0.22%    1
					
Pac	Bush -3	 50.31	48.32	-1.99%	-118
	Kerry-2	 52.27	53.17	0.90%	 18
					
Total	Bush-43	 48.34	46.09	-2.26%	-2439
	Kerry-8	 42.76	43.79	1.03%	  222
 

EASTERN:
ALL 22 states deviated to Bush by an average of 2.80%.
NOT ONE TO KERRY.
That's like flipping a fair coin 22 times and coming up heads
every time. The odds:
1 in 4.2 MILLION
Know Excel? Here's the formula:
Prob = 1- BINOMDIST(21, 22, 0.5, TRUE)

12 deviated beyond the MOE.
The odds:
1 in 32.5 TRILLION
Don't believe it? 
Type this into a spreadsheet cell:
Prob = 1- BINOMDIST(11, 22, .025, TRUE)

CENTRAL:
11 of 16 states deviated to Bush by an average of 2.09%.
The odds:
1 in 10

3 deviated beyond the MOE.
The odds:
1 in 146

MOUNTAIN:
7 of 8 states deviated to Bush by an average of 2.15%.
The odds:
1 in 28

None deviated beyond the MOE.
The odds:
1 in 1.22 (82%)

PACIFIC:
3 of 5 states deviated to Bush by an average of 1.99%
The odds:
1 in 2

1 deviated beyond the MOE.
The odds:
1 in 8 


Here is the state by state exit poll to vote breakdown:

	Poll	Poll	Std	Exit	Final	Vote	Dev	Odds	Dev	Dev/	Dev/	Dev>	Bush
St	Size	MoE	Dev	Poll	Vote	Dev	Prob 1in	Favor	Std	MoE	MoE	Flip

EASTERN
NH	1849	2.33%	1.19%	55.50	50.68	-4.81%	0.00%	39823	Bush	-4.05	2.07	yes	
NY	1452	2.62%	1.34%	63.97	58.79	-5.17%	0.01%	17833	Bush	-3.86	1.97	yes	
SC	1735	2.40%	1.22%	45.79	41.31	-4.48%	0.01%	7851	Bush	-3.66	1.87	yes	
NC	2167	2.15%	1.10%	47.31	43.72	-3.60%	0.05%	1939	Bush	-3.28	1.67	yes	
OH	1963	2.26%	1.15%	52.06	48.75	-3.31%	0.20%	495	Bush	-2.88	1.47	yes	yes

PA	1930	2.28%	1.16%	54.41	51.13	-3.28%	0.24%	420	Bush	-2.82	1.44	yes	
VT	685	3.82%	1.95%	65.69	60.34	-5.35%	0.30%	330	Bush	-2.74	1.40	yes	
FL	2846	1.87%	0.96%	49.93	47.47	-2.46%	0.50%	199	Bush	-2.57	1.31	yes	yes
DE	770	3.60%	1.84%	58.44	53.82	-4.62%	0.60%	167	Bush	-2.51	1.28	yes	
NJ	1520	2.56%	1.31%	56.13	53.13	-3.00%	1.10%	91	Bush	-2.29	1.17	yes	

MA	889	3.35%	1.71%	66.46	62.70	-3.76%	1.40%	72	Bush	-2.20	1.12	yes	
RI	809	3.52%	1.79%	64.24	60.48	-3.76%	1.82%	55	Bush	-2.09	1.07	yes	
CT	872	3.39%	1.73%	58.47	55.24	-3.24%	3.05%	33	Bush	-1.87	0.96		
VA	1431	2.64%	1.35%	47.96	45.65	-2.31%	4.34%	23	Bush	-1.71	0.87		
WV	1722	2.41%	1.23%	45.19	43.48	-1.72%	8.13%	12	Bush	-1.40	0.71		

GA	1536	2.55%	1.30%	43.11	41.58	-1.53%	12.02%	8	Bush	-1.17	0.60		
IN	926	3.29%	1.68%	40.97	39.46	-1.51%	18.33%	5	Bush	-0.90	0.46		
MI	2452	2.02%	1.03%	52.55	51.73	-0.82%	21.39%	5	Bush	-0.79	0.40		
DC	795	3.55%	1.81%	91.63	90.63	-1.00%	29.01%	3	Bush	-0.55	0.28		
MD	1000	3.16%	1.61%	57.04	56.25	-0.79%	31.24%	3	Bush	-0.49	0.25		

KY	1034	3.11%	1.59%	40.76	39.99	-0.76%	31.57%	3	Bush	-0.48	0.24		
ME	1968	2.25%	1.15%	54.83	54.48	-0.36%	37.88%	3	Bush	-0.31	0.16		
											
CENTRAL
MN	2178	2.14%	1.09%	54.61	51.76	-2.85%	0.46%	218	Bush	-2.61	1.33	yes	
NE	785	3.57%	1.82%	36.54	32.53	-4.01%	1.39%	72	Bush	-2.20	1.12	yes	
AL	730	3.70%	1.89%	41.08	37.08	-4.00%	1.70%	59	Bush	-2.12	1.08	yes	
MS	798	3.54%	1.81%	43.20	39.91	-3.30%	3.40%	29	Bush	-1.83	0.93		
AR	1402	2.67%	1.36%	46.93	44.74	-2.19%	5.39%	19	Bush	-1.61	0.82		

IL	1392	2.68%	1.37%	57.13	54.99	-2.14%	5.90%	17	Bush	-1.56	0.80		
LA	1669	2.45%	1.25%	44.50	42.63	-1.87%	6.73%	15	Bush	-1.50	0.76		
IA	2502	2.00%	1.02%	50.67	49.54	-1.13%	13.42%	7	Bush	-1.11	0.56		yes
MO	2158	2.15%	1.10%	47.48	46.33	-1.15%	14.80%	7	Bush	-1.05	0.53		
OK	1539	2.55%	1.30%	34.73	34.44	-0.29%	41.21%	2	Bush	-0.22	0.11		

WI	2223	2.12%	1.08%	50.21	50.20	-0.02%	49.45%	2	Bush	-0.01	0.01		
TN	1774	2.37%	1.21%	41.15	42.78	1.63%	8.96%	11	Kerry	1.34	0.69		
TX	1671	2.45%	1.25%	36.84	38.49	1.65%	9.28%	11	Kerry	1.32	0.68		
SD	1495	2.59%	1.32%	37.42	39.09	1.67%	10.27%	10	Kerry	1.27	0.65		
ND	649	3.93%	2.00%	33.58	36.09	2.51%	10.51%	10	Kerry	1.25	0.64		

KS	654	3.91%	2.00%	34.60	36.97	2.37%	11.76%	9	Kerry	1.19	0.61		
											
MOUNTAIN
NV	2116	2.17%	1.11%	50.66	48.67	-1.99%	3.61%	28	Bush	-1.80	0.92		yes
CO	2515	1.99%	1.02%	49.07	47.35	-1.72%	4.52%	22	Bush	-1.69	0.86		
NM	1951	2.26%	1.16%	51.34	49.42	-1.93%	4.76%	21	Bush	-1.67	0.85		yes
UT	798	3.54%	1.81%	29.93	27.06	-2.87%	5.61%	18	Bush	-1.59	0.81		
AZ	1859	2.32%	1.18%	46.60	45.03	-1.57%	9.24%	11	Bush	-1.33	0.68		

ID	559	4.23%	2.16%	33.33	30.71	-2.63%	11.18%	9	Bush	-1.22	0.62		
WY	684	3.82%	1.95%	32.07	29.70	-2.37%	11.24%	9	Bush	-1.21	0.62		
MT	640	3.95%	2.02%	39.28	39.51	0.22%	45.60%	2	Kerry	0.11	0.06		
											
PACIFIC
AK	910	3.31%	1.69%	40.14	36.17	-3.97%	0.94%	106	Bush	-2.35	1.20	yes	
WA	2123	2.17%	1.11%	55.07	53.60	-1.47%	9.25%	11	Bush	-1.33	0.68		
CA	1919	2.28%	1.16%	55.73	55.21	-0.53%	32.58%	3	Bush	-0.45	0.23		
OR	1064	3.07%	1.56%	51.22	51.97	0.75%	31.67%	3	Kerry	0.48	0.24		
HI	499	4.48%	2.28%	53.32	54.37	1.05%	32.24%	3	Kerry	0.46	0.24		
													

	Poll	Poll	Std	Exit	Final	Vote	Dev	Odds	Dev	Dev/	Dev/	Dev>	Bush
	Size	MoE	Dev	Poll	Vote	Dev	Prob 1in	Favor	Std	MoE	MoE	Flip
Total
Avg	1443	2.85%	1.46%	48.84	47.00	-1.84%	10.34%	10	0	-1.33	0.83		
Med	1495	2.59%	1.32%	49.07	47.35	-1.93%	6.73%	15	0	-1.50	0.76		

TOTAL AVERAGE										
Bush	1429	2.87%	1.47%	50.58	48.20	-2.38%	10.33%	10	43	-1.69	0.89	16	5
Kerry	1520	2.76%	1.41%	39.50	40.55	1.05%	19.53%	5	8	0.64	0.49	1	0
											
BUSH DEVIATIONS BY REGION	
East	1471	2.78%	1.42%	55.11	52.31	-2.80%	9.24%	3153	22	-2.03	1.04	12	2
Cent	1476	2.80%	1.43%	43.17	42.35	-0.82%	12.16%	31	11	-0.59	0.71	3	1
Mount	1390	3.04%	1.55%	41.54	39.68	-1.86%	11.97%	15	7	-1.30	0.68	0	2
Pac	1303	3.06%	1.56%	51.10	50.26	-0.83%	21.34%	25	3	-0.64	0.52	1	0
												
BUSH DEVIATION PROBABILITIES BY REGION	
      No.	>MOE	Probability	 ToBush  Prob				
East	22	12	32.5 trillion    22	  4.2 mil.				
Cent	16	3	146	         11	  10
Mount	8	0	1	          7	  28
Pac	5	1	8	          3	   2

[Mojambo]

1. I'm so glad there are people out there like you to do this

Because the math just makes my head hurt.

[TruthIsAll]

11. WANT MORE AMMO, CHRISTOPHER? CHECK OUT THE NATIONAL EXIT POLL

The average of the weighted National Exit Poll statistics
across DEMOGRAPHIC CHARACTERISTICS indicates that Kerry won by

50.8% - 48.0%.


National Exit Poll 
13047 sampled
Randomly selected
1.0% Margin of Error

Quick summary:
Women (54% majority) voted almost 5-4 for Kerry
Protestants voted 5-4 for Bush. All others voted for Kerry.
Military voted 5-4 for Bush
Late deciders voted 5-4 for Kerry 
Those who considered Economy, health care or education as
the most important issue voted 3-1 for Kerry.
Those who considered morality or terror as the most important
issue voted 4-1 for Bush.
The South voted 5-4 for Bush. Kerry won all other regions.
Moderates voted almost 3-2 for Kerry.
Independents voted 6-5 for Kerry.
Under age 30 voted 5-4 for Kerry.
Post graduates voted 3-2 for Kerry.
Under $50k income voted 3-2 for Kerry.


WEIGHTED SUMMARY			
CATEGORY       Bush   Kerry   Nader			
			
GENDER        48.22%  50.78%  1.00%			
EDUCATION     48.05%  50.21%  1.17%			
INCOME        48.12%  51.42%  0.95%			

RACE          47.86%  50.94%  1.00%			
AGE           48.17%  50.53%  1.00%			
PARTYID       47.77%  50.69%	 0.92%

IDEOLOGY      48.15%  49.85%  1.00%			
RELIGION      48.19%  51.55%  1.19%			
MILITARY      47.62%  51.20%  1.00%			

DECIDED       47.95%  51.23%  0.54%			
ISSUES        47.92%  50.80%  1.28%			
REGION        47.95%  50.53%  1.00%			
			
AVERAGE       48.00%  50.81%  1.00%			

Actual Vote
Bush  62,028,194	50.732%
Kerry 59,027,612	48.277%

Probability of Bush average deviation (2.732%):
= 1- NORMDIST(0.5073,0.48,0.01/1.96,TRUE)= 0.000000043879
or
************* 1 in 22,790,202 **************

Probability of Bush deviation based on Party-ID (2.96%):
= 1- NORMDIST(0.5073,0.4777,0.01/1.96,TRUE)= 0.000000003294
or
************* 1 in 303,538,508 *************


                
GENDER   
..... Vert    Bush  Kerry   Nader     Bush    Kerry Nader
Male  46%     52%    47%      1%      23.5%   21.6%   0.5%
Female 54%    45%    54%      1%      24.3%   29.2%   0.5%
      100%                            48.22%  50.78% 1.00%

EDUCATION
........  Vert    Bush  Kerry   Nader   Bush    Kerry Nader
No HS      4%      47%  52%     1%      1.9%    2.1%    0.0%
HS Grad   22%      48%  51%     1%      10.6%   11.2%   0.2%
College   31%      51%  47%     1%      15.8%   14.6%   0.3%
Col Grad  26%      50%  48%     1%      13.0%   12.5%   0.3%
Postgrad  17%      40%  58%     2%       6.8%    9.9%   0.3%
          100%                          48.1%   50.2%   1.2%
                                                        

 AGE 
........  Vert   Bush  Kerry   Nader    Bush    Kerry Nader
18-29      17%   43%    56%     1%      7.3%    9.5%    0.2%
30-44      27%   50%    49%     1%      13.5%   13.2%   0.3%
45-59      30%   47%    51%     1%      14.1%   15.3%   0.3%
60 +       26%   51%    48%     1%      13.3%   12.5%   0.3%
          100%                          48.2%   50.5%   1.0%

INCOME
......Vert    Bush   Kerry   Nader    Bush    Kerry   Nader
0-$15    9%     33%     66%     1%      3.0%    5.9%   0.1%
15-30   15%     39%     59%     1%      5.9%    8.9%   0.2%
30-50   22%     47%     52%     1%     10.3%   11.4%   0.2%
50-75   23%     53%     45%     1%     12.2%   10.4%   0.2%
75-100  13%     50%     49%     0%      6.5%    6.4%   0.0%
100-150 11%     53%     45%     2%      5.8%    5.0%   0.2%
150-200  4%     53%     47%     0%      2.1%    1.9%   0.0%
200,000  4%     58%     41%     1%      2.3%    1.6%   0.0%
       100%                            48.1%   51.4%   1.0%

PARTYID
........  Vert   Bush Kerry   Nader   Bush    Kerry Nader
Dem        38%     9%  90%     1%      3.4%   34.2%   0.4%
Rep        35%    92%  7%      0%     32.2%    2.5%   0.0%
Ind        27%    45%  52%     2%     12.2%   14.0%   0.5%
          100%                        47.77%  50.69% 0.92%
                                                        
IDEOLOGY
...... Vert    Bush  Kerry   Nader    Bush    Kerry  Nader
Lib   22%     12%     86%     1%      2.6%    18.9%   0.2%
Mod   45%     41%     57%     1%      18.5%   25.7%   0.5%
Con   33%     82%     16%     1%      27.1%   5.3%    0.3%
      100%                            48.2%   49.9%   1.0%
                                                        
RELIGION
......Vert    Bush  Kerry   Nader      Bush    Kerry Nader
Prot   53%     56%     43%     1%      29.7%   22.8%   0.5%
Cath   27%     49%     50%     1%      13.2%   13.5%   0.3%
Jewish  3%     23%     77%    0%        0.7%    2.3%   0.0%
Other   7%     20%     75%     4%       1.4%    5.3%   0.3%
None   10%     29%     70%     1%       3.2%    7.7%   0.1%
      100%                             48.2%   51.6%   1.2%
                                                        
MILITARY
...... Vert    Bush  Kerry  Nader      Bush    Kerry Nader
Yes     18%    55%     43%     1%      9.9%    7.7%    0.2%
No      82%    46%     53%     1%      37.7%   43.5%   0.8%
        100%                           47.6%   51.2%   1.0%
                                                        
WHEN DECIDED
........  Vert   Bush  Kerry   Nader   Bush    Kerry  Nader
Today       6%   40%     53%     5%     2.4%    3.2%    0.3%
Last3Days   3%   41%     53%     4%     1.2%    1.6%    0.1%
Last Week   2%   51%     48%     1%     1.0%    1.0%    0.0%
Last Month 10%   38%     60%     1%     3.8%    6.0%    0.1%
Before     79%   50%     50%     0%     39.5%  39.5%    0.0%
           100%                         48.0%  51.2%    0.5%

MOST IMPORTANT ISSUE 
....... Vert    Bush  Kerry   Nader   Bush    Kerry  Nader
Taxes    5%     53%    47%     0%      2.7%    2.4%    0.0%
Educ     4%     24%    75%     0%      1.0%    3.0%    0.0%
Iraq     15%    23%    76%     1%      3.5%   11.4%    0.2%
Terror   18%    85%    15%     1%     15.3%    2.7%    0.2%
Economy  20%    16%    82%     1%      3.2%   16.4%    0.2%
Morals   21%    78%    19%     3%     16.4%    4.0%    0.6%	
Health   8%     20%    79%     0%      1.6%    6.3%    0.0%	
         100%                         47.9%   50.8%   1.3%			
REGION
......Vert    Bush  Kerry   Nader   Bush    Kerry   Nader
East   22%    41%     58%     1%      9.0%   12.8%   0.2%	
Midw   25%    49%     50%     1%     12.3%   12.5%   0.3%	
South  31%    54%     44%     1%     16.7%   13.6%   0.3%	
West   22%    45%     53%     1%      9.5%   11.1%   0.2%	
      100%                          47.95%  50.53%	1.00%

[TruthIsAll]

12. HERE'S THE NATIONAL EXIT POLL SUMMARY FROM THE WASHINGTON POST SITE

[TruthIsAll]

17. PROBABILITY MATRIX: VOTE TALLY DEVIATION VS. EXIT POLL MARGIN OF ERROR

PROBABILITY OF VOTE TALLY DEVIATION VS. EXIT POLL MARGIN OF
ERROR												
				Vote Tally Deviation from Exit Poll					
MOE	1.0%	1.5%	2.0%	2.5%	3.0%	3.5%	4.0%	4.5%	5.0%

				PROBABILITY (1 in  X)
					
1.00%	40	609	22k	2.1m	485m	288b	450t	Inf	Inf
1.50%	10	40	223	1.8k	22k	416k	11.5m	485m	31b
2.00%	6	14	40	140	609	3.3k	22k	193k	2.1m
2.50%	5	8	17	40	107	330	1.2k	4.8k	22k
									
3.00%	4	6	10	20	40	90	223	609	1.8k
									
3.50%	3	5	8	12	22	40	80	170	391
4.00%	3	4	6	9	14	23	40	73	140
4.50%	3	4	5	7	10	16	25	40	68
5.00%	3	4	5	6	8	12	17	26	40

[TruthIsAll]

24. KERRY WON THE NEW/NADER 2000 VOTERS BY 60-40%.

Ok, Christopher, have all these stats made you punchy? 
OK, JUST FOCUS ON THIS, THEN:

Here is the most devastating statistic of all - right out of
the National Exit Poll:  

SEVENTEEN (17) PERCENT of ALL 2004 voters were NEW voters who
chose Kerry by a 3-2 margin.

......2000..BUSH KERRY NADER 
NoVote(17%) 39% 59% 1% 
Gore  (38%)  8% 91% 1% 
Bush  (41%) 90%  9% 0% 
Other (4%)  13% 65% 16% 

The margin of error is just 1.0% according to Mitofsky/Edison.
Check the notes at the bottom of the WP page.

Assume 100 million voted in 2000 (actually there were a few
million more, but let's keep it simple):
1) Gore got 48.5 million, Bush 48, Nader et al 3.

2) Assume 20 million new voters in 2004 (120 million).
Kerry won 59%, Bush 39%. So Kerry gets 12 out of the 20
million, Bush gets 8.

That's a net gain to Kerry of 4 million votes.

3) Kerry got 65% (2 million) of the 3 million who voted for
Nader et al. Bush got 13% or 0.5 million.

That's a net Kerry gain of 1.5 million votes.

4) Assume the rest voted as they did in 2000.
Then the total net Kerry gain: 4 + 1.5 = 5.5 million votes. 
Add the 5.5 million to the .500 million Gore margin and...

************ Kerry wins by 6 million votes *****************

Therefore, assuming 120 million voted:
Kerry: 63 million (52.5%, Bush: 57 million (47.5%).

Deduct 1.0% for the third party vote, split between Bush and
Kerry and we get: Kerry 52%,  Bush 47%, Other 1%

This is almost exactly equal to the weighted calculation
below: 
Kerry 50.9%, Bush 47.1%, Other 1.2%

2000	Mix	Bush	Kerry	Nader	Bush	Kerry	Nader
No	17%	39%	59%	1%	6.6%	10.0%	0.2%
Gore	38%	8%	91%	1%	3.0%	34.6%	0.4%
Bush	41%	90%	9%	0%	36.9%	3.7%	0.0%
Other	4%	13%	65%	16%	0.5%	2.6%	0.6%

	100%				47.1%	50.9%	1.2%

[Sydnie]

2. TIA, ... have I told you lately that I love you?!

I don't always understand the math in your posts, but I do always get the message. Thanks so much for all you continued work on this for those of us that are somewhat statistic/math challenged, but trying so hard to keep up!

:loveya: TIA!

[smirkymonkey]

3. Great job!

Kick :kick:

[Spiffarino]

4. As always,

...a big kick for the work you do, TIA.

:kick:

[Old and In the Way]

5. Just one huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge coincidence,

You've got the smoking gun, TIA. I don't see how anyone can refute this analysis. Election fraud happened.

[Eloriel]

6. And yet another

:kick:

[msongs]

7. who is christopher hitchens? another inside joke?

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[dzika]

8. I've learned that TIA *usually* isn't joking when

THE SUBJECT IS IN ALL CAPS

[Wilms]

9. Here ya go.

305,000 Links to choose from:

<http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rls=CNDA,CNDA:2003-38,CNDA:en&q=%22christopher+hitchens%22>

[dzika]

10. ...and a DU thread from this morning:

"Christopher Hitchens thinks the OHIO VOTE WAS STOLEN"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=321721

[msongs]

13. thanks, he seems to be of no consequence. n/t

Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[Wilms]

15. Depends on audience

Three dimensional chess.

[TruthIsAll]

21. Article by an MSNBC pundit in Vanity Fair of "no consequence"?

Maybe he's of no consequence to you, but his opinion matters to others, especially considering that he's a Kerry basher.

[BeFree]

14. TIA, am I wrong?

This table shows the number of states and votes in each Time
Zone which deviated to Bush (2,439,000) and to Kerry
(222,000):

Time	Dev	 Exit	Final	Vote	Vote (000)
Zone	to:	 Poll	Vote	PctDev Dev
East	Bush-22	 55.11	52.31	-2.80%	-1724

It seems that you have the exit poll number for bush misplaced
in the above numbers? Or am I not reading it right?

[TruthIsAll]

18. All exit poll and vote percentages are for Kerry. nt

.

[bleever]

16. Maybe the shyness skew shifts Republican as you go east,

in a way that defies all probability.

Hey, it could happen. And monkeys could fly out of the White House and make it all disappear.

How long can everyone ignore it?

:thumbsup:

[Wilms]

19. Since we're celebrating Hichens, I brought some warm beer. n/t

:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:
:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:
:toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast: :toast:

[GetTheRightVote]

20. Warm beer is great but what to do about this election situation ??

:kick:

[dandrhesse]

22. I follow your posts and know that statistically the evidence is there

but what can be done at this point, or who is doing it. I know about Conyers and the Arnebeck group etc. But ultimately which committee chair or judge etc, has to get the ball rolling and set up a select joint committee or hire an outside prosecutor?

[Al-CIAda]

23. TIA is the Mac! Thank you for all you do. -eom