I will be in New York later today.

[Andy_Stephenson]

I need a windows expert to loog at some logs. Anyone wanna take a crack at them?

plese PM me and I will pm you back with my number.

ANdy

[roenyc]

1. if you are in Staten island say hi!!

sorry i am not an expert in anything

[Philly Buster]

2. Thank you for all you are doing

Keep up the good work. And please keep us informed.

[sunnystarr]

3. Kick

[Darknyte7]

4. kicking...

:kick:

[dbDESIGN]

5. Can you fax them? or email?

[Andy_Stephenson]

7. 298 pages...

no scanner or digital camera.

[dbDESIGN]

9. Oh... Any pages of special interest? Fax a few?

Or maybe that's what you're trying to find out: which, if any, entries are of interest.

Wish I could be more help.

[harmonyguy]

10. Dang it !!

How come it's always 298 pages?
No-one ever comes through with only 296 or 304.
Oh well. At least something in this racket is consistent.
HG ;-)

[emcguffie]

12. I also have scanner and digital camera

Andy, I also have a scanner and a digital camera. I'm the person who just sent this request to my IT friend.

If you can wait until this evening, and go out to Jersey with me, maybe we can kill two birds with one stone.

I also have another friend, in the same town, who is a -- well, he's a mathematician, and I think knows a bit about computer science. Teaches at Rutgers.

I guess first I should see if Carol thinks she can help. She's been working in Windows all these years. By the way, what is MS Access? I'm trying to remember what it was she was doing at Ford. She actually worked for a internet provider service, but she babysat their e-mail and I don't know what else.

[dbDESIGN]

15. MS Access

MS Access is Microsoft's desktop database system. It's considered part of the MS Office suite though you can buy it on its own.

It is very good for small business database applications, order entry, inventory, quotations systems and such. It is not considered robust or powerful enough for large scale enterprise solutions. It is also used as a rapid development tool to prototype applications which are later ported to enterprise level systems such as SQL Server 2000 for the database and a VB, C+ or other type of front-end. It can be powerfully programmed using VBA (Visual Basic for Applications) to produce very sophisticated applications and can be made reasonably secure if one wishes too.

One critical thing it does not do is keep a transaction log of any and all activity in the database. Systems like Oracle and SQL Server do this for security reasons and also to able to go back to clean data at given point in time in case of crashes, network outages, etc. The banking systems lives and dies on logging transactions.

I can guarantee you that no ATM/banking system produced by the ESS, etc. uses Access in any end user, network or production system.

Its use in voting systems suggest 2 things to me:

1. The vendor is supplying the quickest-to-market, cheapest product he can.

2. Security, accountability and audit-ability are not critical requirements for the software.

[newyawker99]

18. Hi dbDESIGN!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[dbDESIGN]

22. Thanks, nice to be here

[nonny]

6. contact info for Chuck Herrin

He is a computer security expert.
Lives in NC

http://www.chuckherrin.com/Contact.htm

[meganmonkey]

8. I'm really good at looging, too bad I am nowhere near NY.

:P

[Zan_of_Texas]

17. Heh.

Andy is not only good at looging, he is good looging too.

[emcguffie]

11. am forwarding to friend

I have a friend who does IT, she just left the Ford Foundation and went out in the suburbs. I do know she is very angry about what happened. If she is interested, can you come out to New Jersey? I could take you. I'm working in Manhattan.

[Beth in VT]

13. Andy, I will PM you with contact info

for a person in Manhattan we worked with on the Dean campaign.

[flyarm]

14. thank you , andy

Thank You so much for all you are doing Andy...when it all slows down , i would love to get you paid speaking engagements for dem clubs and our community and others here in the tampa /clearwater area...you should be in a speakers bureau and be paid for your invaluable knowledge, and to educate every american about the value of their vote , and the people who count their votes!
If you are ever interested, please feel free to contact me!!
I will do what i can for you!!
fly

[pbartch]

32. Andy.........I would PAY to hear you at a speaking engagement!

That would be awesome!

[greatauntoftriplets]

16. I thought you were headed back to Seattle yesterday??

:shrug:

[Stephanie]

28. He's in my shower

But that's all I'm saying.

[greatauntoftriplets]

29. LMAO.

Give him a hug for me...when he's out of the shower!

He's been in my shower too.

Also, please tell him to check his PMs. Thanks.

[nomatrix]

19. You were looking for Triad info a while back

saw this today, have you seen it?

http://www.madcowprod.com/01042004.html

"Was Adnan Khashoggi a principal in a company which has been counting the votes of American servicemen overseas? Answer: highly likely.

Both Election.com, and Triad, the election company cited for causing most of the problems in Ohio, should receive close scrutiny for evidence of Khashoggi involvement.

While there has been no suggestion of it anywhere in the media, the name “Triad” was used extensively by Khashoggi at exactly the same time (the early 80’s) and in exactly the same place (Palm Beach, Florida) as the “Triad Governmental Systems” involved in Ohio’s current election “difficulties.”
Khashoggi owned a number of companies named “Triad.”
Khashoggi owned “Triad International Marketing.”
“Northrop, the Los Angeles-based aircraft and electronics manufacturer, owes Triad International Marketing, S.A., a Liechtenstein corporation controlled by Khashoggi, $31 million in commissions on sales to the Saudi air force,” reported the L.A. Times on August 29, 1987.

Khashoggi owned “Triad America”

“Creditors claim they are owed more than $100 million by Triad America and its subsidiaries… in Salt Lake City. Leonard Gumport, the court-appointed examiner, also is recommending that Triad America seek repayment of the $189.2 million loaned to companies controlled by the Khashoggis,” reported the Salt Lake Tribune.
From the company’s literature: “TRIAD Governmental Systems, Inc., is a nationally recognized corporation that is committed to providing quality, computer based systems for governmental voting units. Incorporated in 1982, TRIAD GSI was founded to provided quality support and services for Rapp Systems' Election products, with election experience that spans a quarter of a century.”

In 1982, Khashoggi owned Triad Farms in Kentucky.
In "The Blue Grass Conspiracy” by Sally Denton, she revealed that the large drug smuggling operation called “The Company,” headquarters were near Lexington, Kentucky, at Triad Farms, owned by Khashoggi.
That’s just about the same time (1983) that TRIAD Governmental Systems was founded…

“Lightning Strike, Computer Glitch... Whatever.”
We also discovered that a strikingly similar allegation of Triad employee tampering was lodged against the company all the way back in 1988…
According to Jackie Beville, a former employee of the Supervisor of Elections in Hillsborough County, Triad workers adjusted the software to clear up a ballot-counting problem shortly before the election, and the machinery should then have been recertified following the work.
When questioned, she was told that Triad workers were just fixing problems caused by a lightning strike.
Beville disputes that the weather had anything to do with the repair work.

But even it if did, "My question is, why was it a secret? The party chairmen were not called in. The canvassing board was not notified. The Division of Elections was not notified.
"Why was I forbidden to mention it? If the party chairmen and division had been notified, it may not have been a big deal. But it should have been made public. Everyone has a right to know."
Triad manufactures punch-card voting systems, and also wrote the computer program that tallied the punch-card votes cast in 41 Ohio counties last November. The company is owned by a man named Tod Rapp, who has donated money to the Republican Party as well as the election campaign of George W. Bush.

Given the broad distribution of Triad voting systems in Ohio, the allegations that have been leveled against this company strike to the heart of the assumed result of the 2004 election.
And not just Triad…"

[emcguffie]

20. there's another Triad

It's on a thread over on bbv.org. The question was, can anyone connect this Triad to the elections systems one?

BUt I can't remember what the other one was. I don't think I can go hunting for it now either, but I can later on.

[DearAbby]

21. Kick

:kick: Thanks Andy

[KingoftheJungle]

23. you want Triad info?

Here's some shit on Triad:

==========================
Koch Oil Industries owns almost all of Triad GSI/consulting, works through the NISP and runs some permanent programs through Exxon Mobil Oil or other energy firms endorsed by Opus Dei coverts.

"http://www.publicintegrity.org/oil/report.aspx?aid=347

Koch's Low Profile Belies Political Power
Private oil company does both business and politics with the shades drawn

By Bob Williams and Kevin Bogardus

WASHINGTON, July 15, 2004
Koch Industries could be the biggest oil company you have never heard of?unless, that is, you hang around the halls of government in Washington.


Koch Industries (pronounced "coke") is a huge oil conglomerate controlled by brothers Charles and David Koch, two of the country's richest men and among the biggest backers of conservative and libertarian causes. With estimated revenue of about $40 billion last year, Koch is bigger than Microsoft, Merrill Lynch and AT&T.

Koch is the leading campaign contributor among oil and gas companies for the 2004 election cycle, giving $587,000 so far. Next came Valero Energy at $568,000.

Since 1998, Koch is the fourth biggest campaign oil and gas industry giver, behind ChevronTexaco, El Paso Corp. and Enron Corp.

Despite its size and political largesse, Koch is able to dodge the limelight because it is privately-held, meaning that nearly all of its business dealings are known primarily only by the company and the Internal Revenue Service. In fact, it is the second largest private company in the country, trailing only food processing giant Cargill.

Koch also prefers to operate in private when it comes to politics and government.

Although it is both a top campaign contributor and spends millions on direct lobbying, Koch's chief political influence tool is a web of interconnected, right-wing think tanks and advocacy groups funded by foundations controlled and supported by the two Koch brothers.

Among those groups are some of the country's most prominent conservative and libertarian voices including the Cato Institute, the Reason Foundation, Citizens for a Sound Economy and the Federalist Society. All regularly beat the drum in official Washington for the causes the Koch's hold dear?minimal government, deregulation, and free market economics.

For the Kochs, conservative and libertarian views are a family tradition. Fred Koch, who founded the company's predecessor in 1940, helped establish the ultra right-wing John Birch Society"

"http://www.t-msi.com/

Technology & Management Staffing, Inc. provides quality staffing solutions in the areas of Information Technology, Human Resources and Accounting / Finance. Our marketing and technical recruiting teams are skilled at matching your company's culture and position requirements to the individual skills, styles and goals of our contract professionals. We also participate in the National Industrial Security Program.

Information Technology Contract Services - (more info)
Our IT Contract Services division can help ease the worklife of your technical staff, by providing you with experienced technicians whom we have meticulously screened, interviewed and evaluated. Our professionals will prove to be an asset to your organization."

"http://www.dss.mil/isec/nispom_0195.htm

National Industrial Security Program
Operating Manual
(NISPOM)

·

January 1995

·

Department of Defense

Department of Energy

Nuclear Regulatory Commission

Central Intelligence Agency

ISBN 0-16-045560-X"

"Edgington Oil Co. CCI/Triad sold it for roughly $175 Mil. To Stay In Business
http://attorneypages.com/details.php/23504_9019_526_2099_100.htm"

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:0SrzMSqNqF8J:ignorantusa.tripod.com/id4.html+%22triad+management+systems%22+and+%22Triad+GSI%22&hl=en
""Triad, or Tactical Resources in American Democracy was founded in 1995, Triad was a profit-making company that funnelled money into Congressional races through two tax-exempt groups associated with it, mainly Citizens for Reform and Citizens for the Republic Education Fund.

Neither of the two nonprofit groups associated with Triad was active before the 1996 election. One existed only on paper as of Oct. 11, 1996, when it opened a bank account.

In the next 20 days, from Oct. 11 to Oct. 31, the group, Citizens for Reform, received $1.6 million from Triad donors in 12 bank transactions. By Oct. 31, $1.4 million of this money had been spent on advertisements, documents show. A second Triad-affiliated nonprofit group received $1.7 million in late October for television attack advertisements.

Triad raised money from conservative donors and sent it to the nonprofit groups that bought so-called issue advertisements on television attacking Democrats and supporting Republican candidates and causes.

Mr. Braden said some Triad donors had been so concerned about secrecy that they insisted on having written agreements with Triad that their names would not be disclosed unless Triad was ordered to do so by the courts. Still, Mr. Braden said, the majority of Triad's donors had been primarily attracted by the conservative candidates that Triad supported and less by a promise of anonymity."
"http://www.corporatewatch.org/news/mark_moody.htm
This link was dated January 15 2002 titled Sir Mark Moody-Stuart – Possibly the most dangerous man alive. He is former CEO of Shell Oil, is now President of Anglo American, diamond mining company in South Africa. Is received a contract from Accenture to do the caging list.

Sir Mark Moody-Stuart and Accenture link: http://www.accenture.com/xd/xd.asp?it=enweb&xd=aboutus%5Cgovernance%5Cdirectors%5Cmoody_stuart.xml
Mark Moody-Stuart, a member of Accenture's board of directors since October 2001, is chairman of Anglo American plc, a global mining and natural resources company. From 1998-2001 Sir Moody-Stuart was chairman of the Royal Dutch/Shell Group of companies.

More on Mark Moody-Stuart and Accenture http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=489
On 12/13/04 the Blue Lemur reported the Director of Florida voting contractor chaired companies linked to apartheid and was paid to repair Florida's voting list which disenfranchised African American.

More on Mark Moody-Stuart
Four Corporate Characters in Search of a Sustainable Order http://www.corporatewatch.org.uk/magazine/issue9/cw9cm1.html
‘Hi-Priest’ – and is typified by characters such as Shell’s Mark Moody-Stuart, Tarmac’s John Banham, BP’s John Browne (see CW5), Monsanto’s Bob Shapiro and maybe NatWest’s Derek Wanless.
Here, for instance, is Mark Moody-Stuart’s concluding comment in response to a concern that I raised directly with him, about whether or not Shell risks contributing to a form of “totalitarianism” - as it seeks to engage with the social and ecological concerns of its ‘stakeholders’ on the one hand, while prioritising radically improved financial performance on the other:4

“I suppose you could say that economics is an absolute, overall essential. I mean, I do think, personally, that, you know, laws of supply and demand come pretty close to absolute truth – and the laws of economics, or some of them, come as close to absolute truth… or to absolute reality, as you do in the world. If that’s what you mean by totalitarian… er, then I plead guilty.”

The Hi-Priest could well prove the worse sort of false prophet: an unwitting(?) charlatan, totally beholden to Mammon. However, as shoddy in character as the ‘Hi-‘ implies, this Priest possesses a fragile authority. Successful activist strategies are likely to be those that aim to undermine it, perhaps by blaspheming before the spurious scriptures and bogus rituals on which it depends.

Sir Mark Moody Stuart receives his just desserts http://publish.indymedia.org.uk/en/2002/10/43275.html
promoting himself as Mr Corporate Social Responsibility, Moody-Stuart heads Business Action for Sustainable Development - the business lobby group largely responsible for wrecking the Earth Summit. He is also a director of several companies involved in activities that are far from socially responsible. These companies include Shell, which sparked outrage yesterday when it was announced that the company had been concealing mobile phone masks in its garages

Not to be outdone, Michael Rapp of Triad Corporation (Father, Todd Rapp) took on Moody Stuart, in an Opus Dei knockout match.
http://www.suntimes.co.za/2002/03/17/business/news/news14.asp
"Lindahl said: "I have taken the decision not to allow my name to go forward for the chairmanship of Anglo American with great regret. However, I am determined that the company should not become distracted by becoming involved in matters connected with my former employment . . . I am glad . . . that I shall play a role in the future direction of the company as a member of the board."

The financial services institutions have been busy indeed. Stanbic, Libhold, Liberty, and The Standard Bank of SA (SBSA) announced major restructuring of their boards following "a reassessment from a governance perspective".

At Stanbic and at SBSA, Selwyn MacFarlane, Michael Rapp and Alan Romanis have agreed to stand down from the board. They remain on the Libhold board.

At Libhold, Doug Band, Robin Plumbridge and Conrad Strauss are standing down. They remain on the Stanbic and SBSA boards.

At Liberty, Doug Band, Elisabeth Bradley, Saki Macozoma, Robin Plumbridge, Conrad Strauss and Eddie Theron are standing down. Macozoma remains as joint deputy chairman of Stanbic and SBSA. Bradley and Theron remain on the Stanbic and SBSA board."

http://www.achieve.org/achieve.nsf/Cohen?openform
Michael Cohen president of Achieve in January 2003. Mike has been a leading figure in the national push to boost academic performance by leveraging higher standards since it began. He was director of education policy at the National Governors' Association from 1986 to 1990, where he helped the governors and President Bush set national education goals and call for national standards and assessments. From 1990 to 1993, he was director of the National Alliance for Restructuring Education, a network of leading states and urban school systems committed to standards-based reform. He also helped launch the New Standards Project, an initiative of states, school districts, and philanthropic groups to develop world-class standards and assessments."

Then at the end of the day, Michael Cohen worked with Feeney and Yang to establish GEMS for Exxon Mobil.....Oil and Religion, the two main passions of the elite. Only this time, it means fanaticism.

Finally to top off the finale, Cybernet, Accenture, and Triad all cut a complete contract with several states on behalf of web integrate database development for everything, including education and elections.

http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:ALsa5noeLtsJ:thecha.org/aboutus/files/boc_minutes_01-20-2004.pdf+triad+%2B+cybernet&hl=en

To prevent that PDF from dissapearing we have pulled it off and archived it. Ms. Carolyn Malenick has an extensive history with them and Todd Rapp, now just who could Malenick be working for...
========================

[KingoftheJungle]

24. More...

"FEC v. TRIAD MANAGEMENT SERVICES (02CV1237)
On June 21, 2002, the Commission asked the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia to find that Triad Management Services, Triad Management Services, Inc., (collectively Triad) and Carolyn Malenick violated the Federal Election Campaign Act (Act) during the 1996 federal election cycle. The Commission alleges that Ms. Malenick and Triad violated the Act by, among other things, failing to register and file as a political committee and accepting and making excessive and prohibited contributions. 2 U.S.C. §§ 433, 434, 441a(a)(1), 441a(f) and 441b.

Background
According to its 1996 promotional materials, Triad was a consulting firm devoted to keeping the Republican majority in Congress. From 1995 to 1996, Ms. Malenick operated Triad Management Services as a sole proprietorship, and she became the president, sole director and owner of Triad Management Services, Inc., when Triad incorporated in May 1996. The Commission began its investigation of Triad in response to a series of administrative complaints filed between 1996 and 1998. After failing to reach a conciliation agreement with the defendants, the Commission filed this court complaint.

Court Complaint
According to the Commission's court complaint, before Triad incorporated it accepted $790,215 in federal election contributions—including $200,000 in 1995 and $465,000 in 1996 from a single individual. Once Triad became a corporation, it accepted an additional $746,971 in contributions, of which $726,621 came from a single individual and $10,000 came from other corporations. The Commission alleges that during the 1995-1996 election cycle, Triad also:

Made federal election expenditures totaling approximately $1.6 million;
Solicited contributions for 1996 Congressional candidates;
Collected and forwarded 230 contribution checks made out to federal candidates or campaign committees, totaling $185,000; and
Paid for the creation and distribution of publications that expressly advocated the election or defeat of federal candidates.
Ms. Malenick and Triad did not register or report this alleged activity to the Commission.

The Commission contends that once Triad exceeded $1,000 in contributions or expenditures in a calendar year, it became a political committee under the Act and was required to register and file regular reports. 2 U.S.C. §§433 and 434. Under the Act, Triad was also required to file disclosure reports once it made independent expenditures in excess of $250. 2 U.S.C. §434(c). The Commission alleges that Triad knowingly accepted prohibited corporate contributions and contributions in excess of the Act's limits, and also made excessive contributions and in-kind contributions to federal candidates. 2 U.S.C. §441a(a). Moreover, the Commission alleges that after Triad incorporated, it made prohibited corporate contributions to and expenditures for and against federal candidates.

Triad also allegedly organized a coalition of political committees that regularly met and agreed to consult on targeted candidates and campaigns. The Commission contends that Triad solicited contributions for these political committees and collected and forwarded contributions to them.

According to the Commission's complaint, Triad was the sole source of funds for two committees, the American Free Enterprise PAC (AFE) and Citizens Allied for Free Enterprise (CAFE), which received $81,235 from Triad that was used to contribute to candidates it recommended. Triad established, financed, maintained and controlled AFE and CAFE and was thus affiliated with them. Since affiliated committees share a single contribution limit, the Commission argues that the committees exceeded the contribution limits when they each contributed the maximum legal amount to the same federal candidates. 2 U.S.C. §441a(a) and 11 CFR 110.3(1). The Commission alleges that Triad directed and controlled contributions made by AFE and CAFE that resulted in excessive contributions.

Relief
The Commission asks the court to:

Find that the defendants committed these violations of the Act;
Enjoin them from engaging in further similar violations;
Order Triad Management Services and Triad Management Services, Inc., to register as political committees with the Commission and to file disclosure reports dating back to 1995;
Order the defendants to disgorge to the U.S. Treasury all excessive and prohibited contributions that they received during 1995 and 1996; and
Assess appropriate civil penalties for each violation. See 2 U.S.C. §437g(a)(6)(B).

http://www.fec.gov/pdf/record/2002/aug02.pdf#page=4

[KingoftheJungle]

25. Theres more, but that's about good for now. Please dont spread this

Lets just keep it between ourselves, I wasn't supposed to release this. Play around with namebase.org and google and see what else you can find.

[many a good man]

27. NO evidence Triad GSI is related to ANY of these other entities

I clicked on almost all your links and I don't see any evidence that Triad GSI has ANY connection to Koch or ANY of these other Triads. You have to give us more than just a similarity in names.

Nice research but its just BS if you can't prove any connections. How do you know Michael Rapp of Xenia, Ohio is the same Michael Rapp who was on the BOD of some affiliate of Anglo American Oil Company? We'll look pretty foolish if it turns out there's no connection...

[Alizaryn]

31. Agreed, I looked through the links and cannot find anything

connecting to Triad GSI either. (Much as I wish i could.)

[KingoftheJungle]

35. thanks for clearing that up

I'm going to look through what I have and some google/namebasing to try and come up with more concrete info.

[luaptifer]

40. you've established no link between {Triad GSI} and any of

Koch, Triad Management Systems, Edginton Oil, CCI

somehow you make a jump from Koch to connecting Edington Oil/CCI/Triad (presumably you mean Triad GSI) but...HOW?! what does the attorney in Xenia OH have to do with Edington Oil? and how does CCI get in there?

"Edgington Oil Co. CCI/Triad sold it for roughly $175 Mil. To Stay In Business
http://attorneypages.com/details.php/23504_9019_526_209... "

the 'link' to this 'Tactical Resources in American Democracy' didn't work nor was that string of words even findable by google
http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&q=%22Tactical+Resources+in+American+Democracy%22

""Triad, or Tactical Resources in American Democracy was founded in 1995, Triad
...
Triad supported and less by a promise of anonymity."
"http://www.corporatewatch.org/news/mark_moody.htm

and it seems to be the word 'anonymity' that you think links mark moody into this elaborate cloud of...whatever.

but that somehow permits you to run with an Accenture link and lo and behold, Cybernet comes back into the picture!! it's been so long i've addressed the Cybernet issue, i don't even recall if this is the same one not linked to Cybernet CNG or not. but the Triad here
>> http://216.239.57.104/search?q=cache:ALsa5noeLtsJ:thecha.org/aboutus/files/boc_minutes_01-20-2004.pdf+triad+%2B+cybernet&hl=en

you link to Cybernet and Accenture is Triad Consulting Group, of which none that google up show any relationship to Triad GSI

http://www.google.com/search?num=50&hl=en&lr=&q=%22Triad+Consulting%22

the old association by text-strings found on the same page

Cybernet-on-same-page-as-Accenture-on-same-page-as-Triad

is so utterly familiar as the same one that made me an illuminati because my username googled up after having posted technical suggestions to samizdat blog and to libertyforum: i remember now, i was made out to be a programmer for the neoCONs, LOL!

you've established no relationship between the Michael Rapp of Libhold (the point from which you start running with a supposed Triad GSI link to Moody Stuart except for your statemnt here:

Not to be outdone, Michael Rapp of Triad Corporation (Father, Todd Rapp) took on Moody Stuart, in an Opus Dei knockout match.

and of what relationship to any of these is Michael Cohen?!

the old association by text-strings found on the same page trick helps me to understand who you may be

KingoftheJungle (94 posts) Wed Jan-12-05 08:00 PM
Response to Reply #24

25. Theres more, but that's about good for now. Please dont spread this

Edited on Wed Jan-12-05 08:06 PM by KingoftheJungle
Lets just keep it between ourselves, I wasn't supposed to release this. Play around with namebase.org and google and see what else you can find.

and bringing the Accenture-Cybernet link {sic} into this picture is a clincher!

when should we start emailing to a secret email address to get more information?!

[emcguffie]

37. Good god!

I haven't read all your post yet. I've been away sick for a day or two. But the Triad stuff I saw was over on BBV.org, I think. They were asking if there was any connection between the Triad that makes the voting equipment and another one. But it was just ONE other Triad.

I am getting the impression that they all had something to do with -- who was it? -- Kashoggi? Did I see that somewhere? Or am I confused?

[luaptifer]

39. where's the connection between Koch and Triad GSI? n/t?

[ebayfool]

26. kick (or bump for those of us too old & tired to kick!)

You go, Andy!

[bush_is_wacko]

30. Glad to see you're still at it today!

I'm kicking for help. There has to be plenty of help in NY!
:kick:

[ebayfool]

33. LOL ! Anything for Andy & DUers, my family is getting jealous!

A kick (or tired bump!) is little enough. I do what I can ... including collaring everyone I can & spreading the word (think Will Pitt's post yesterday @ blue paperclip). People are starting to listen, today's small hidden truths will grow. Meanwhile, I kick (& bump)!

[icehenge]

34. kick

[joevoter]

36. kick

[emcguffie]

38. This is from two days ago, isn't it?

Andy, I PM'd you, I think. But maybe you didn't get it? Did you? Do you still need help?

[Karenca]

41. yes it is.......

I keep looking for updated info regarding the opriginal post.
I am SO curious! :)