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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 04:08 PM
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Triad, Remote Access, Exit Polls and Poll Books...
Edited on Thu Dec-23-04 04:43 PM by Junkdrawer
OK. If you have a punch card ballot system and you want to rig the vote, your one point of opportunity is to rig the punch card tabulator before the cards are fed through. Now, basically there are two ways of doing this:

1.) The tabulator gets an absolute count of votes by actually reading the cards and then rigs the totals so that your candidate gets a desired percentage.

2.) The tabulator in a given precinct simply spits out a fixed count regardless of what the cards say.

Now, different precincts have different historic percentage distributions, so a single percentage would NEVER work. And if you’re trying to make the election close, playing the percentage game is dangerous. If turnout in minority districts is unusually high, your candidate could actually lose if you play the percentage game. This method does, however, have the advantage of making the vote totals match the poll books and you can rig weeks in advance.

Now the fixed totals strategy has the advantage that you can be sure you will win and you can even control the winning margin to a fair degree. But it does have its drawbacks. You need to rig before the decks are run, but not so soon that you don’t have a decent bead on what the turnout will be. After the 4 PM exit polls would probably be your best chance. And since you’re rigging on the day of the election, you need remote access. Further, since you’re guessing turnout, the vote total will not match the poll books.

Now, the readers of this forum have been seeing the pieces of the puzzle fall into place. Guess which method they chose.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 04:14 PM
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 04:17 PM
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3. He he he...
Are we hearing footsteps???
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preciousdove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 04:18 PM
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4. Johnny Walker Red? n/t
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RaulVB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 04:29 PM
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7. "Goose stepping" on this forum!
"Welcome"!
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 04:38 PM
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9. OK, here's Hint #1:
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New Earth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 04:39 PM
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10. lol
the title of that thread always cracked me up :D
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chorti Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 04:42 PM
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11. a third way too
You can write the code so that every xxth vote is flipped, for example if x = 100, then the 100th, 200th, 300th, etc. vote for Kerry would be flipped over to Bush. You then immediately re-set the Kerry counter to 0 so that it will dump over again whenever the bucket is full (100).
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 04:45 PM
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12. Well, that's a variation of the percentage game....
and HUGE turnout can sill wipe out your precomputed advantage.
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chorti Donating Member (104 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 04:47 PM
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13. yes but it is undetectable
unless someone sees the code. The other variations are too easy to catch by statistical analysis. 'You' have things in place to suppress the vote to make sure that there isn't too much turnout.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 04:55 PM
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15. Well, they did indeed suppress turnout...
But there is that strange panic that occurs every time someone touches the poll books.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 05:56 PM
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16. You gave me an idea...they could do both...
some kind of percentage fix built in...a remote access fixed total override if turnout looks bigger than anticipated. And this would explain a lot of things that have been bugging me. More later.
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JackORoses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 04:48 PM
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14. cooked books
"And since you’re guessing turnout, the vote total will not match the poll books."
or the number of registered voters

they must have accidentally overlooked this in the counties where total votes winded up being an abnormally high percentage of those registered

by using their own numbers
they inadvertantly obtained 'impossible' totals
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:10 PM
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17. Actually they can also use a "trigger"
Like one ballot that has an improbable combination of candidates selected. That way the software passes pre election testing.

A "wrangler" is what you call someone in a tabulation room whose job it is to engage observers in conversation while someone else is doing something they shouldn't, like inserting the ballot that will trigger the fraudulent tabulation.
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Zan_of_Texas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-23-04 06:34 PM
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18. plain old-fashioned ballot box stuffing too.
Whether dummying up fake absentee ballots, which I think was done in Ohio -- it appears hundreds were cast in one examination, but there were not matching requests for those ballots.

Or, just adding fake electronic ballots can be done too.

That would begin to explain how you could "get" 98% turnout.

Or, you can just select a pile of ballots and run them through the counter again. Like here:

Some ballots counted twice
Discovery raises further doubt about close treasurer race
Originally published Tuesday, November 16, 2004
By LaRAYE BROWN

The News-Messenger (central Ohio)
http://www.thenews-messenger.com/news/stories/20041116/localnews/1601347.html

Sandusky County elections officials discovered some ballots in the Nov. 2 election were counted twice.

The finding further emphasizes the fact that the 49-vote lead Republican challenger Irma Celestino has over Democratic incumbent Anna Senior isn't the final word. That race will be decided when provisional, military or remade ballots are counted and the official count is taken Thursday. It is not known how much of an impact it might have had on any other unofficial count.

Barb Tuckerman, director of the Sandusky County Board of Elections, said when she reviewed election information Nov. 8 she discovered the mistake. "Clyde had 131 percent voting," Tuckerman said. "That's not possible. I knew there was something amiss." After reviewing the computer discs used to store precinct tallies, officials came to the conclusion that some ballots in nine precincts were counted twice.

The mistake may have occurred when counted ballots were stacked with those waiting to be counted, Tuckerman said. Senior said she learned about the mishap when she stopped by the office to pick up a cell phone she'd left there. MORE
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