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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 06:35 PM
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Australian Wokers Agreements!
Guys, please give me a heads up with the AWA's. I know a little about them, but not much. And I am pretty sure I am going to have to sign one in the next few weeks, and want to be well informed before I make that decision.

In short, the company I have worked for, for the last three months has lost the contract for the shopping centre we cover. Now there is a new company about to take over (1st of July) and is likely to pick up most of the current workers. I will be one of the people picked up most likely because I happen to be the only female security guard working there at present. And I happen to be very good at my job. My current supervisor spoke very highly of me with the new company.

I have heard from other centres that this new company covers, that they do like their workers to sign AWA's. But I have also been informed on one centre which fought hammer and nails not to sign it and forced the new company to back down and still hire the workers.

Thanks in advance everyone!

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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 10:09 PM
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1. It's going to be tough from July 1st.
I do know that AWAs provide for only five minimum employment
conditions, much less than current Awards made by the Industrial
Relations Commission.

These are:

The minimum wage rate (currently $12.29 per hr)
Annual leave (four weeks, no loading)
Personal leave (8 days)
Parental leave (inc. maternity leave)
Max. number of non-overtime hrs per week.

They don't have to agree to anything else that is currently in force
either by union agreements or enterprise agreements, and that
includes equal pay. Also no notice of termination or super.

The kind of collective bargaining you mentioned is also targeted
by Howard in his anti-union measures, including even the banning of
"pattern bargaining" - so even if you and your colleagues can agree
together on what conditions you want to work under, it can be termed
illegal under the new laws. It's still your best bet though, and it
will come down to how decent the new company is, and how much they
need you.

Just typing this out makes me angry.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jun-20-05 11:03 PM
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2. Thanks for the response...
...Matilda!

Well if this new company expects me to do the same work I am doing right now for less than I am getting now, I will tell them to shove it regardless.

Howard has screwed the worker in this country without so much as a kiss. If anyone is middle or lower class Australia ever vote for that bastard again, I will personally call each and every one of them fucking fool.

This new company says they are very family orientated (it is owned by two brothers.) So I guess I will find out just how family orinetated they are, when they slap a contract down in front of me and expect me to sign it.

Thanks again, Matilda! :)
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 08:50 AM
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3. Well I guess I don't have to worry about this now!
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 09:17 PM
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4. I'm so sorry to hear this.
Welcome to John Howard's brave new world.

These dickheads clearly know that they'll no longer have to worry
about discrimination, unfair dismissal, or harrassment laws.

Bastards.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-21-05 11:29 PM
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5. Exactly that, mate!
They don't give a shit about how this affects the workers of this country, who happen to keep the country moving.

I am so detroyed today. I have had probably 30 minutes sleep all up. And now I am getting ready to head to work. And for the first time since getting the job, I really don't feel like heading in.

I am also very lost today. I applied for the job where I am, because it is a shopping centre I knew so well. I had been shopping there quite often for the last 21 years.

Now, I just don't know what direction to head in. I don't want to remain on the dole for long, because with that comes the poverty and the depression. And I really canot afford to live without a pay cheque.

Anyway, mate, thanks for the ear. I really appreciate it.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-22-05 03:32 AM
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6. I wish you lots of luck.
Don't let it get to you too much - I'd say, start looking right
away, I think it's often not good to "give yourself a break", but
get into it while you've got your energy and some money behind you.
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Djinn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:06 PM
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7. sorry to hear FC that sucks
Edited on Thu Jun-23-05 09:07 PM by Djinn
but if you're still not working next Thursday (30th) you should come along to Trades Hall and express your distaste at Howard's view of Industrial Relations

Stop Work and Rally 30 June Trades Hall

RALLY INFORMATION

10.00am Assemble at Victorian Trades Hall Council (Union Speakers)

10.35am March down Russell St; right at La Trobe St; left at Swanston St;
Down Swanston St.

11.25am Arrive Flinders St intersection, outside Flinders St Station

12.00pm Rally Finish

More info

http://www.vthc.org.au/index.cfm?Category=29&viewmode=campaignDisplay&CampaignID=3
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-23-05 09:23 PM
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8. I heard about this!
There are several of us from work planning on attending this if we can. So if I don't get called on what would be my last day, I will defenately be there.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-01-05 04:59 AM
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9. Did either of you go?
I saw the Sydney one on the news tonight and it was huge...

I've always figured because of the size of the organisation I work for that we'd be immune from AWA's, but I've been hearing some mumbles round the place that Howard is putting pressure on our Head Honcho to ditch the collective bargaining and put all of us on AWA's. I don't really see how that's going to work in an organisation of over 20,000 people...

Violet...
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jul-24-05 05:18 AM
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10. Job Seekers Told: No AWA, no pay.
Job seekers, including single mothers and disabled people entering
the work force, are having their current benefits docked if they
refuse to sign AWAs.

They have no right to refuse conditions they deem to be unsuitable
or unfair. If Centrelink deems a job to be suitable, it's suitable.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/job-seekers-told-no-awa-no-pay/2005/07/24/1122143721482.html

I've never understood the kind of mentality that wants to kick
workers, as though they carry some kind of plague. This kind of
rule is straight out of Dickensian England.
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:32 PM
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11. All we have feared, and then some.
"Fifty AWAs undercut awards, court find."

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200508/s1435254.htm


I go from anger to depression as I listen to the news these
days. There's no hope at all.
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-10-05 10:43 PM
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12. OMG!
Fucking hell, the government, and any business which supports this are fucking wankers!!!

I have already been boycotting Bakers Delight. Have been doing so since I found out at least one store began doing AWA's. I intend to boycott more stores as I hear who has them and who doesn't.
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Violet_Crumble Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 03:18 AM
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13. Let Baker's Delight know what you think...
No point in boycotting them if they don't know yr doing it...


http://www.bakersdelight.com.au/contact/index.php
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foreigncorrespondent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 11:45 AM
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14. Thanks, mate!
I did contact them the moment I decided not to buy from them any longer.

I explained that I was a regular to several of the local stores around my area, but all that was about to change because of their use of AWA's. And for them to not forget word of mouth can be quite costly to a business.

I never did hear back from them, though. :shrug:
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Matilda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-11-05 09:39 PM
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15. Thanks for the heads-up about Bakers Delight.
I didn't know, but I'm not surprised.
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itchyvet Donating Member (19 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-24-05 11:08 AM
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16. AWA's
Ah, interesting subject you pick.
Firstly, I used to be the President of our Union's local Locomotive Division and thus found myself at the for front of these discussions and arguments with the Government of my state that was trying to ram these agreements down our throat.
Before I go deeper into this issue, let me say this, and make no mistake about it, THE WORKER DOES NOT BENEFIT IN ANY WAY from the introduction of these things.
Secondly, the last I heard, our economy was doing very well indeed, just as it is, so the question I ask, is if the ecomony is doing so well, why the haste to impose these AWA's upon the Australian worker, who it would appear, is doing a bloody good job as it is ???
Unfortunately, the sychophant arse licker has so far failed to answer that question, as have his ministers.
Getting back to the AWA, when these things were first hoisted upon us, they had to reflect everything the Award covered, to make them attractive, they sweetened them a little by increasing the hourly rate just a tiny bit, the greedy ones, grasped them in glee.
Ten months down the track, I was approached by some of our members who were trying to obtain housing loans and car loans who had been rejected by their finance institutions on the basis of their AWA's were considered a CONTRACT, and the AWA's were for a period of TWO years only, thus the banks were NOT going to lend money on the basis of such a short contract.
I brought this up with discussions with the Government representatives, who expressed surprise, though when given details of the cases, could not dispute them.
I also pointed out, that in their haste to implement these AWA's, this matter should have been foreseen and resolved, as the only people who stood to lose the most, were the ones forcing these agreements upon us, if we couldn't borrow funds, the lending institutions were the ones who would miss out,as would the share holders involved with said institutions, who were at the end of the day, the driving force behind these things.
Well wouldn't you know, consternation reigned, no comment was made, and they left with theirtail between their legs, after comments made like killing the goose that laid the egg, ect.
From that day on, the steam seemed to evaporate from the drive to force everyone onto AWA's.
Though I now hear, the FEDERAL AWA's are being pushed just as strongly.
I'd suggest, EVERYONE give the utmost thought to what I've already brought to attention, and ensure with your lending institutions that they will still lend you funds despite the AWA only being for two years, ONLY AFTER obtaining that confirmation in WRITTING, would I consider looking at such an agreement.
All these agreements, WILL MAKE YOU WORK LONGER HOURS FOR LESS MONEY,REDUCE YOUR ENTITLEMENTS SUCH AS LSL, ANNUAL LEAVE, SICK LEAVE AND EVEN LUNCH BREAKS/MORNING/AFT TEA BREAKS, INCREASING WORKING WEEK, INCREASING RETIREMENT AGE.
They CLAIM you can alter/add/takeout/negotiate components of your AWA, however the facts are, in EVERY CASE I was aware of, IF YOU WANT THE JOB, YOU'LL SIGN HERE, NO SIGN, NO JOB, despite this being illegal, it was done as normal, not ONE individual was ever allowed to make an alteration to his agreement.
I'm now retired and out of it, and very glad to be so too, I assure you, but the workers who still have to work, must not let themselves be bullied and forced coherced into accepting these agreements, YOU WILL SURRENDER YOUR FUTURES, make no mistake about it.
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