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Albus Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:57 AM
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'I don't think this man would sell a lot of T-shirts'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2009/mar/03/gordon-brown-us

There has been much emphasis put on the special relationship between Britain and the US since Winston Churchill coined the expression.

American presidents embrace it whenever they need international cover for foreign escapades, while UK prime ministers invoke it in the hope that some of the sparkle of the presidency will stick to them.

But as Gordon Brown flies into Washington at the start of a two-day official visit, does his arrival mean anything to working Americans? Put more bluntly: does anyone even know who Gordon Brown is?

Judging from the Guardian's straw poll of pedestrians along Broadway in Manhattan, the answer is a resounding no. The reaction to being shown a picture of the prime minister was bamboozlement.

The closest any American came to having any sense of the UK leader was Therese McGinn, a professor of public health at Columbia university. "It's not Gordon Brown," she said confidently, staring at the image of Gordon Brown. Why not?

"He looks tired. He looks older and more haggard than I normally think of him."

William Stamey, taking a break from acting classes off Broadway to have an illicit cigarette, gazed blankly at the picture. Not a clue.

Told that the subject was Gordon Brown didn't help; the name also meant nothing to him.

Samuel Obeng, who has lived in New York for eight years having moved to the US from Ghana, was selling T-shirts of Barack Obama.

"He's God's gift to the whole world and we appreciate him by selling these T-shirts." Obeng sells the shirts wholesale for $60 (£42.75) a dozen.

Would he be interested in making T-shirts with the man in the Guardian's picture printed on them?

"I don't really recognise him."

He's the British prime minister, Gordon Brown. Have you heard of him.

"Yeah, erm, no."

Would you consider selling T-shirts of this man?

"Well, er, people buy if they recognise a popular person. I don't really think this man would sell a lot."

Only a woman who used to live in London and a group of tourists from Northern Ireland recognised the prime minister. Strolling down the snow-lined streets of Broadway, the tourists were asked whether they recognised the man in the picture. They replied: "Yes, unfortunately."

Bettina McCall, who lives in Manhattan having moved from London five years ago, not only instantly recognised "our prime minister", but she was also fully au fait with his trip to Washington.

"It's a good thing that he's one of the first leaders to be called to the White House. Maybe it will cheer him up," she said.

Every single one of the Americans approached was unable to name Brown.

He is as anonymous in the US, it seems, as Tony Blair was ubiquitous.

At least several people felt that the visit of the UK premier was a good thing. "I think it's great," said Michael, a building contractor.

"The quicker we get this president meeting elected officials in other countries the better off everyone will be. England is like a brother or a sister to America, and we need all the looking out for each other we can get."
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:11 AM
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1. If you want to know what Americans think of Gordon Brown
why don't you venture into the main forums and ask them Bulldog?
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non sociopath skin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 06:58 AM
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2. You might what to ask what they think of David Cameron also. ..
... and how many of them have t-shirts with him on.

The Skin
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Albus Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:33 PM
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5. They'd say...
Oh yeah, love him, I've seen all his movies.
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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 05:42 AM
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6. Perhaps freerepublic would be the better place to ask about Cameron
although I must admit that I haven't looked over there in quite some time myself.

And in anycase, what UK politicians could you have on a T-shirt without risking a severe beating anyway? I'll stick to my old System Of A Down T-shirt of you don't mind.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 07:59 PM
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9. I know his bike got stolen. And found. Lucky bastard. nt
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Albus Donating Member (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:32 PM
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4. You mean....
There's more?
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 07:59 PM
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8. They don't think of him. He and Major kind of got squished between bigger things.
Obama isn't taking Brown to Camp David with him this weekend. And what's this crap in the Guardian about Blair being closer to Bush than to Bubba???

Eleanor: Everybody say 'cheese'!
Franklin: Cheeeeeese!
Winston: Wha...?


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T_i_B Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 05:08 AM
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10. Oh the UK press does talk crap sometimes
Here's a prime example of "special relationship" bollocks from the Spectator, trying to pretend that David Cameron is the only UK politician who can ride on Obama's coat-tails, despite the fact that he's a conservative and closer to the GOP then the Democrats.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/the-magazine/features/3409896/obama-could-be-a-great-ally-to-a-prime-minister-but-not-this-one.thtml
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 06:33 AM
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11. You're right - this is complete rubbish
It spends the first nine tenths explaining why international meetings don't matter, and that there wasn't a formal press conference indicates the Americans didn't put any emphasis on Brown's visit.

Then it turns rounds and says it's tremendously important that Obama invited Brown before Sarkozy or Merkel, and that this shows how much they care about Britain's PM - but that, since Brown will probably lose the election, this really means it was Cameron who got there ahead of Sarkozy or Merkel - as if there's some list that everyone refers to for years:

"1st European visitor: UK; 2nd: France;UK leads 3rd: Germany. UK still leads the medals table, and therefore gets to sit next to the dreamy Obama at all international dinners and pass him their phone number for later. All snogging rights are passed to successor PMs"

I think the "who visits first" stuff is embarrassing. It shows a bit of desperation on the part of the media, and whichever of the political party spin doctors are encouraging them in it.
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 11:31 AM
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3. Maybe it's a good thing
Tony Blair was on many a t-shirt, stating his war crimes and other bad stuff he was involved in. I'm sure Gordon Brown would be happy enough to do without such t-shirt exposure.
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LeftishBrit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-04-09 02:55 PM
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7. Since when have people gone around wearing T-shirts with British politicians on them anyway?
At least if you exclude those which also contain extremely rude messages!
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