Some of the posts and reasoning about Watt's anti-woman,

[efhmc]

anti-choice posts are just freaking me out. I really felt like I was surrounded by right wing republicans. I am just too old to have to do this again and with Democrats!!! Please Democrats, don't leave me and my sisters with absolutely no place to go to have some support.

[Vincardog]

1. So are you pro or ant Watt?

[YaGottaLoveIt]

2. I believe she's strongly anti-Watts

as am I.

[Vincardog]

3. I just wondered what the talk about RW rhetoric was about.

I do not support anyone who is a Corporate "Centrist" right denying thug either.

[merci_me]

4. I'm with you and we ain't going back.

I marched in DC for the ERA, I testified before the Ohio Senate for ratification. I have three daughters, 2 granddaughters, a sister, 4 nieces and a grandniece. I lost a friend in high school, to an illegal abortion. I was fighting for them then and I will NOT participate in any attempt to take one single step backward now.

It's not about having an abortion, it's about the right for a woman who is pregnant to know she is going to term, because the choice is hers, not because the arm of a paternalistic government is being held over her. If we lose that right, what other rights do women lose? How far back?

[efhmc]

5. Thanks for your response. You help me see that perhaps we

are not being sold down the river. But the rhetoric here is absolutely astonishing to me. Some seem so willing to sell out women's rights in order to have a candidate who can get donations and perhaps win. Nothing else seems to matter. "When was the last time a pro-choice Dem candidate won state wide in Texas?" is a quote from one of these threads. Obviously, if one is for the rights of women, then one cannot win elections in Texas. Sure makes sense to me. Sell out women and we will win.

[meg]

6. You're among the likeminded here

Sometimes people get desperate about their candidate and say really disingenuous things. What has Watts have to offer? Paid workers and money to buy them.

He's not for the rights of women or gays. Why should women or gays be for him? For that matter, why would a progressive be for him? If he can't stand up for basic rights, I can't stand up for him.

[efhmc]

7. Absolutely right. There are many men here who are with us all the

way, but most of those supporting Watts do not have a womb. They are men and do not need to be protected from this freaky government and its "women as walking wombs", outlook on reproductive freedoms.

[merci_me]

8. Let me tell you about some Republican women

One of my very dearest friends use to be the Republican precinct chair here. We met in the mid 80's working at the polls. BTW, this is Poppy's old congressional district. She talks about how she and other Republican women worked their asses off to turn this Democratic area to Republican for old Poppy. They did all the things they were asked/expected to do......door-to-door, addressing envelopes, making calls, having bake sales, you know the drill.

Then they watched as the "moral majority" moved in. They listened to the men who told them, "Don't make waves, we need them to win. It's worth it if we are ever going to make Texas a Republican state." So they started making their calls and addressing from home, because the campaign headquarters was so foreign to them. Then came the Republican state convention in Houston in 1988. They stood by horrified as they were denied floor passes, even as voluteers (the delegate spots went to the men and the "moral majority"). They quiet so the Republicans could win Texas, but they lost the party they worked so hard to build during the Democratic years.

Well, Reagan 1984 became the last Republican she and most of her friends voted for for president. She votes for few statewide Republicans, never a Republican for congress and for Senate, only KBH. She feels a sisterhood with (pro-choice) KBH, whom many of the Republican women feel is treated shamefully by the Republican men in Texas, so they won't desert her.

Will she and her friends switch to Democrat? NO!!! They built the Republican party in Texas and by God they are going to fight tooth and nail to get it back. They don't often vote Republican (and NEVER for a Bush). They mostly vote Democrat or skip a race. Meantime, they are very active in AU (Americans United for Separation of Church and State). Also, she stopped running for precinct chair in 1992. She votes absentee, because she refuses to go into the rightwing polling place. For about ten years, she used my fax machine to send and get articles with her Republican women cohorts. Heck, I would read may of them to her over the phone. Let me tell you these women can show you all the links between various politicians and wingnuts. She also passes along the most biting e-mails between her group. You think we have anti-admistration jokes, her's are great. She has managed to get a job working with voter info and she will look up anything I need and pass me info on what she hears. She is going to get her party back, if it means helping Dems to squash the wingnuts, she's there.

So, thats what I learned from the 80's. Don't make concessions. It took decades to get what we have and it can take decades to regain anything we compromise.

[efhmc]

9. Now that is an amazing story. I wish more women could see

where the path of betrayal of our rights, just to win elections, will take us. I will work and my daughters will work and all the men I know and respect will work to keep this from happening. Let us hope that is enough to protect us from the "win at all costs" psychology. (You must be in Houston. My rep for the longest time was Bill Archer. He and my husband used to have heated verbal exchanges, via reg mail, all the time. I must admit that I admired his stand against taking PAC money. He seems like a gentler and more honest republican than anything I see today.)

[merci_me]

12. CD 7 and SD 7 here.

Did I read somewhere you were a precinct chair? My husband is also. PM me, if you'd like. We probably need to all be linking arms.

[efhmc]

25. I don't live in Houston any more (large sigh). I live in a VEERY

conservative town in central Texas where I am a precinct chair. I would go have Greek food for lunch right now if I still lived in Houston. I miss so many things about it: food, arts, museum and the diversity of people.

[Stop Cornyn]

14. Thanks for posting this. You call KBH "pro-choice." How is her view on abortion more "pro-choice"

than Watts' view.

I'm not defending Watts' view; it is just that Watts' statement on abortion seemed no more anti-choice than KBH's view and you are so clearly passionate and knowledgeable on this topic that I thought I'd ask your view on a comparison of Watts' statements on abortion versus KBH's views on abortion which you characterize as "pro-choice."

[merci_me]

17. To clarify

It's among the Republican women I know, that KBH is considered "pro-choice" for those moderates to somewhat right of center. http://www.answers.com/topic/kay-bailey-hutchison

I personally would not consider her pro-choice, but I never considered voting for her. How she compares to Watts? Well the same way in my opinion.......I don't consider either of them pro-choice, since neither of them is supporting the Democratic party platform. Nor to I plan to vote for either of them.

Plus, those Republican women I discuss political issues with feel a sisterhood with KBH because of the way the boys' club excludes her as they do these women. If they're happy with her position, that's fine with me. The mere fact that they are knocking themselves out to get the wingnuts out of government and are passionately anti-Bush administration is all I as a Democrat can expect from them, as Republicans.

And don't worry, all of them, who I personally know, will vote for the Democratic nominee for Senate November 2008, because they HATE Cornyn. Their first choice would be Noriega. Several of them volunteered and worked with the Noriegas during the Katrina days and all of that group happily voted for Melissa. Twice!

[George Nassar]

59. How are those the same?

KBH has gotten under-25% ratings from NARAL for the past number of years. I believe last time she was rated, it was a 0%.

Watts stated he was personally pro-life, but that his personal views would not affect his decisions in the Senate. Last I checked, this was pretty much Kerry's position in '04. (Save that he was talking about the presidency.) NARAL endorsed Kerry in '04, after wisely (and as a matter of course for them) not endorsing in the primary. So it would seem that saying he's not "supporting the party platform" may be a little misleading.

[efhmc]

29. She was actually considered pro-choice when she first ran. I remember

wondering why she ran as a repuke at the time. Poppa Bush was also pro-choice at one time. One was actually not going to get votes in Texas in the 70's if he/she were not pro-choice. We women used to have some power in out state. That all died with the ascension of that idiot baby bush and his cronies.

[Longhorn]

15. Oh, my, you could be describing my mother and my sister!

Except that they just cannot quit being Republicans (they could never admit to being wrong.) But my mother, who was the administrative assistant for two Republican state senators in Harris County, was sick about it when the party was taken over by the so-called Christian right. We moved to Texas in 1971 from Indiana, where my dad had been a state rep, and they were thrilled when the state started to go Republican, though they knew they were considered "liberals" by the rest of the party. She and my dad both served as presidents of various Republican Women's Club and Republican Men's Club, respectively. My sister went to one of the state conventions -- I don't remember what year -- and was very upset at the turn of events there. She and my mother were both pro-choice. However, they loved both Bushes and if they've changed their minds, they won't admit it to me. My mother did tell me she was voting for Carole 2P4N instead of Perry, which was quite a shocker! I'd love to know what they think about everything now but we just cannot discuss politics and I doubt they'd be honest with me, anyway. :shrug:

I'm a yellow-dog Democrat as long as the Democratic Party, for the most part, reflects my views. I suppose if a DINO is running against a Republican like Cornyn, I'd vote for the DINO for the good of the national party (preserve Senate majority,) the state party (setting a modern precedent,) and perhaps with the hope that once elected, he or she would see the light. But not in the primary -- I'm voting for the best Democrat in the primary!

[sonias]

22. I wish her success and trying to regain her party

Sounds like a good woman. We may not see eye to eye on many social issues, but at least she's not blind to the faults of her party.

Sonia

[tbyg52]

43. There's a relation between this story and the impeachment debate,

I think. Thanks for posting.

[sonias]

21. powerful words

Thank you for your part in securing our rights merci-me! You have the exact right wording too. I consider women's reproductive rights as human rights. No one should ever consider rolling back any human rights.

Thank you sister! :yourock:

Sonia

[dannoynted1]

10. I voted.......

too!

You are crazy if you think right wing republican aint pro choice.

After all they are the ones who "gotter done".

Where you get this idea that a prolife choice is to be "anti choice"
The choice is always there.

But would YOU rather LIVE Or Die?

The Woman will always have A CHOICE!



And the answer to your question, "watts anti-woman?"
The term is: misogynist

[Lisa0825]

11. ?

:shrug:




:popcorn:

[merci_me]

13. LOL Lisa

You know how much I like to work logic puzzles, but there just is no logic with Mr&Mrs Haley. I spent several hours one rainy weekend googling their dozens of blogs and aliases and finally opened a bottle of wine (and you know that's going some) and picked up one of Jim's sci-fi books for a spot of sanity.

Maybe the next monsoon I'll check some South Texas Chisme archives for background.

[Lisa0825]

16. Dayum... if you can't figure it out, it's a lost cause!LOL

Because you are Merci_Me, Net Detective! Just ask DMach! :rofl:

[dannoynted1]

18. It figures........

you play dumb real well.

But then again you probably do not understand.........it's esoteric in nature!

[Lisa0825]

19. well.......

if you could put it together with an tad bit of coherence.... but honestly, it was perplexingly disjointed... kind of like brownian motion for words.

[TexasThoughtCriminal]

20. LOL! "brownian motion"

Or a thousand monkeys typing and NOT getting Shakespeare.

[sonias]

24. Wiener process

I just like saying that term too!
:rofl:

Sonia

[dannoynted1]

35. yUP U BURROS......

ACTUALLY THINK YOU ARE FAIR AND NON BROWN....I AM GLAD YOU ASSERT THE RACE CARD......PROVES THE POINT YOU ARE "CHOOSING" PROMO THE MOTTO TO WIT:>REPUBLICAN RACIAL PROFILING TO SEGREGATE IS DU/ACLU.


GUESS WATT......iCU....


wATT "A COMEDY OF ERRORS'"

brownian......ROTFLMAO!

[Lisa0825]

38. Race card?

:eyes:

from Wiki:

Brownian motion (named in honor of the botanist Robert Brown) is either the random movement of particles suspended in a fluid or the mathematical model used to describe such random movements, often called a Wiener process.

Your post was full of such random disconnected thoughts, that I compared it to the random motion of particles in fluid. In other words, you make no sense at all. And the more you post, the less sense you make. :shrug:

[Name removed]

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[Lisa0825]

47. Man, this Watts debate sure brings out a lot of weirdos.

:eyes:

I think I'll leave y'all to your delusional selves now.

[TexasThoughtCriminal]

49. How dare you play the wiener card!

I'll have you know I had two sausages for dinner tonight, and I ate a hot dog on the 4th, and you caused great upset my tummy. And my dachshund takes great offense to your casting asparagus on wieners.:rofl:
:freak:

[sonias]

52. "casting asparagus on wieners"

:spray:

Damn I think I sprayed wieners on my keyboard. :rofl:

Sonia

[fudge stripe cookays]

58. .

:rofl:

:hug:

[Pete O]

41. If this is the best of the D's......

then the Honorable US Senator John Cornyn has not a thing to worry about.

We got this thing in the bag.

Yeap y'all bit hook, line and sinker

How's that weiner taste?

Good work, you got em divided

this is funny hehehehe!

Y'all are all invited

Where: Republican Stars of Texas,

When: Sunday, July 22nd, from 2-4 p.m. at Roy Barrera's house, 26690 Toutant Beauregarde Road

Who: Karl Rove, Senator John Cornyn

Bring your Platinum and leave the wieners at home

[lastliberalintexas]

55. Oh, Mr. Republican, I have a job application for you

http://usmilitary.about.com/library/pdf/enlistment.pdf


That way you can take Aaron Jolet's place. He's a Texan who's already served, done his time and needs a rest. Please, won't you help Aaron?

http://www.klfy.com/global/story.asp?s=6811625

As a member of the 10th Mountain Division Private Aaron Jolet spent ten months last year in Afghanistan. And he hasn't been the same since.

Angela Wyatt: "Aaron is having nightmares. He wakes up, he kicks his wife, he screams, he doesn't know where he is."

In recent weeks Arron's mother in law, Angela Wyatt, says the problem got worse.

This week while on leave from his unit which is based at Fort Polk the 19 year old tried to take his own life with a knife. And he might have succeeded had it not been for his wife Kayla.



Slimy Cornyn supporters.

[TexasThoughtCriminal]

56. Psssst..... Pete O has been tombstoned too.

This thread has been the death of many.:rofl:

[dannoynted1]

34. Hey Brownies.......

Can you tell this ignorant narrow minded culero watt a "brownian" is?


It seems the colorblind are actually noticing the PRIMARY COLORS!!!!!!!


tOO BAD....SO SAD.......LYNN cHENEY WONT ENDORSE YOUR GLAD FAD....GO FIGURE.

[YaGottaLoveIt]

26. Here are some links you might be interested in:

http://defenzor.blogspot.com/2006_08_01_archive.html

http://defenzor.blogspot.com/2006_09_01_archive.html (The group that the hated John Kelly belongs to is the Corpus Christi Progressive Populist Caucus, http://www.ccppc.org/. John is actually a decent, progressive Democrat.)

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[efhmc]

28. The only part of your post that made any sense was the idea of women

having choices, You are right, women have always had choices. The problem is that the choices that they have had were not legal. When I was a young woman, abortion was illegal. The choices one had were these: try to preform your own abortion and wither and bleed to death or be maimed for life, get some money and go to some back alley Dr. and hope for the best, be rich and have your family physician preform a D&C (I saw lots of those when I was a student in the path lab at Baylor in Dallas. It took me about 20 years to figure out what those were and why there were so many of them.). You seem to think that I do not know what a misogynist is. All women know and see the misogyny that is around them. I was using my good-girl, southern manners and trying to give your candidate, Watts, the benefit of the doubt and call him anti-woman on just the one issue of reproductive rights and not condemn him to the whole spectrum of women-hating that misogyny involves. Perhaps, I was wrong.

[YaGottaLoveIt]

42. I think I deciphered a little more of dannoynted1's post.

When dannoynted1 said:
And the answer to your question, "watts anti-woman?"
The term is: misogynist

dannoynted1 and Jaime/Anton often use "watts" when they mean "what's". I always thought they were making a play on Mikal Watts name, but apparently they just don't know how to spell "what's". So, Mrs. Haley was just answering your question "What's anti-woman?"

[Anton Haley]

44. I will put her up against you in a spelling bee

if you got the balls. We can broadcast it on the web.

Or would you rather back the smack up in a contest of Jeopardy?

If only, we were in the days of Burr and Hickory.

WATT is that word you like to be called in spanish?

It means coward?

In plain English, WATT do you cower from.

You think we dont know who the Chismosos are?

Merry Christmas

Walk the Walk

Oh yeah remember when all the team members names disappeared?

WATT happened?

If you want to make this personal, I will oblige.

[Name removed]

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[David Van Os]

27. Reading this discussion thread

was inspiring. What uplifting, awesome, tough Texas women you all are. Seeing your fire for liberty flaming is truly a joy.

Women of the world, arise! You have nothing to lose but your chains.

--- A brother.

[efhmc]

30. Thanks for your support. We are together in the fight for all people's rights.

We must show others that we are not separate entities but are one and together we can make the changes that Texas and the U. S. needs. (I know we need a chorus of "I'd like to give the world a coke." now. Sometimes the truth does come in cliches.)

[Name removed]

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[Tejanocrat]

31. Could you ever get on board with a campaign without first knowing where the candidate stands on

abortion rights?

[efhmc]

32. No, why do you ask? That is of premier importance to me.

I am surprised, appalled and disgusted with the support for this anti-woman, anti-choice candidate, Watts.

[Tejanocrat]

33. I ask because I feel the same way about abortion and also about the war. I can't believe

that anyone would jump on a campaign bandwagon before first learning where the candidate stands on abortion.

Similarly, I can't believe that anyone would jump on a campaign bandwagon before first learning where the candidate stands on ending the war and occupation of Iraq.

Has Noriega even given any hint whatsoever whether he favors immediate withdrawal or favors more "stay the course" or favors some position in between? Am I the only one who expects to know where a candidate stands on issues like this before jumping on board?

[efhmc]

36. You are right. I know nothing about Noriega but will at least be

considering his resume, not shredding it as I will Watts'.

[muse]

37. Please cut and paste Watts position on the war below

Have I missed this?

[0.5.empty]

39. You can't find much

I was looking for Watts-supporting blogs yesterday and evaluated this one: Watts criticized Cornyn for supporting "'an ill-conceived and mismanaged war in Iraq,' saying American troops should be withdrawn. But later, on his plane, he was ambivalent about setting a timetable".

Jeez, even Nick Lampson has signed on to a timetable.

[Tejanocrat]

48. I have no idea whether he's "bring-'em-home-now" or "stay-the-course" or somewhere in between. If he

claims to be "pro-life" he'd sure as hell better be anti-war.

I'll never understand how those Christian fascists reconcile their abortion views with the war death of innocent civilians (which invariably includes pregnant women and their precious fetuses).

[Lisa0825]

50. dannoynted1...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=user_profiles&u_id=191892


:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

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[TexasThoughtCriminal]

53. Awww, lookie here: Side-by-Side plots

   Anton Haley           dannoynted1

At least last fall's Kinky troll could write in complete sentences on the topic of discussion and left quietly before being disruptive and tombstoned. With these two, I felt like I was eavesdropping on the voices in their heads.

[fudge stripe cookays]

57. Yay!

Anton will be back. Beware of sockpuppets. He's too much of a sleazebag not to be sharing his ridiculous opinions here.

[efhmc]

54. Disagreeing is one thing. Main-streaming your demented sub-

conscious and trying to represent those ramblings as discussion is another critter all together.

[efhmc]

60. BTW, I do now know that the man's name is Watts and not Watt, the name

may be slightly different but my opinions are stronger than ever about this very nonprogressive "Democratic" candidate. Wanted to add that I have seem Noriega's video and thought it was great.

[TexasLinda]

61. How much jail time?

Anna Quindlin had a great article in Newsweek (How Much Jail Time?).

..."Usually when things are illegal there's a penalty attached,"...A new public-policy group called the National Institute for Reproductive Health wants to take this contradiction and make it the centerpiece of a national conversation, along with a slogan that stops people in their tracks: how much time should she do? If the Supreme Court decides abortion is not protected by a constitutional guarantee of privacy, the issue will revert to the states. If it goes to the states, some, perhaps many, will ban abortion. If abortion is made a crime, then surely the woman who has one is a criminal. But, boy, do the doctrinaire suddenly turn squirrelly at the prospect of throwing women in jail.

"They never connect the dots," says Jill June, president of Planned Parenthood of Greater Iowa. But her organization urged voters to do just that in the last gubernatorial election, in which the Republican contender believed abortion should be illegal even in cases of rape and incest. "We wanted him to tell the women of Iowa exactly how much time he expected them to serve in jail if they had an abortion," June recalled...

I wonder if Watts would be willing to go on record with what he considers an appropriate punishment for a woman who has an unauthorized abortion?

[George Nassar]

62. No relation

Seeing as he's stated that he wouldn't let his personal belief sway his decisions in the Senate -- much like Kerry's position, as in the candidate NARAL endorsed in '04 -- I don't see how he'd consider any punishment at all appropriate.

I'm not sure this "Watts hates choice" meme came from any of his actual statements. He stated his personal view, and he stated that he wouldn't use it to appoint judges. Yet somehow he's anti-Roe v. Wade?

Why do Democrats have to demonize Democrats? Particularly when it's for no reason. Vote for who you want in the primary. But slandering candidates doesn't get us anywhere, particularly when we then have to run a general for one or the other. I sincerely hope I don't start badmouthing candidates when I finally decide who I'm voting for in the primary. Or that if I do, somebody hits me upside the head and sets me straight.

[TexasLinda]

64. Has Watts said he'd defend Roe v Wade?

Or is choice one of the things on which he'd be willing to compromise? Also, since when is asking specifics about a candidate's stance "demonizing"? I never said Watts was the devil, just that I don't agree with his positions on choice or gay-rights. I also don't like the fact that he's never ever run for office before and has no public service experience (not even military service). I know the Republicans claim that any criticism of the President is non-patriotic, but this is DEMOCRATIC Underground and patriotic Democrats ask questions.

Watts is young. If he gets some public service experience at the local or state level I will seriously consider supporting him for higher office. For now, though, I'll stick with the proven competence of Army Lt Colonel and Texas State Representative Rick Noriega. (Please visit Noriega's web page at http://ricknoriega.com and make a generous donation to his campaign.)

[George Nassar]

65. straw man this time

Asking specifics about candidate stances is not "demonizing." Be patriotic. Ask away! *Assuming* things about candidates' positions without getting the whole story is another matter. That's using fudged facts to try and strengthen a weak point. Unpatriotic Republicans fudge facts. The fact is, Watts said he wouldn't use his personal beliefs against a Supreme Court candidate. He *better* not say he will or won't defend Roe v. Wade -- because then I'd think he knew too little about what the Senate does to qualify as a Senator! Roe v. Wade will stand or fall because of the Supreme Court, and solely because of the Supreme Court. The only influence a Senator can have on that is in the approval of Presidential appointments to the Court. And he's already spoken on that.

I like Noriega. I like his time in the military; I don't pretend that that has anything to do with competence in office (thanks, President Grant), but I think it helps his personal narrative and therefore his electability. But I'm not a big fan of his voting record (which I won't go into, despite my deep personal desire to shoot down everybody that thinks he's some gift to party progressives, because I can accept that I'm in Texas and that maybe a strong progressive isn't the guy who we should be running), so I'm happy to remain uncommitted. The number of donors at the end of the next reporting cycle will have much more of an effect on my opinion than anything that's come up to date; that'll really determine whose message is inspiring Texans.

[0.5.empty]

66. It is so obvious to all of us, George, that you like Rick Noriega,

It is obvious to us all that you admire Rick Noriega's military service. It is truly a great talking point, isn't it? John Cornyn hasn't that. But wait, Mikal is still young enough to have what he lacks: a military service record. He is still young enough to enlist in the war on terror. What if Mikal Watts would give up his service winning court cases against the Ford Motor Corporation and enlist in the army. Fight the terrorists where they stand against us?

C'mon Mikal, it is the decent thing to do. Whadadya say bubba?

Ah, I thought not.

[George Nassar]

67. usefulness?

That's an interesting take, I guess. He's too old to enlist in most services, but there are still some open to him. I guess my question would be: what's the point? I already mentioned that I don't personally believe military service makes for a better statesman, and history bears that out. Watts has his own personal narrative, fighting for the little guy.

So I guess just like anyone, you can ask whatever candidate whatever you want, but do you have a reason for asking that? Or are you just trying to smear one Democrat in favor of another?

[TexasThoughtCriminal]

63. That was a great article

Did you see the video Quindlin mentioned?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=T95avZoqlhE

So typical of wingnuts. They don't think through the consequences of their positions. They never ask themselves, "If we succeed with this, then what?" This kind of "fly-by-the-seat-of-your-pants" thinking got us the Iraq mess.