No more permit required for conceal carry in Missouri?

[proud2BlibKansan]

Blunt signs deadly force bill
The Associated Press

JEFFERSON CITY | Gov. Matt Blunt signed legislation today allowing Missourians to fatally shoot intruders without fear of prosecution or lawsuits.

The measure spells out that people are not required to retreat from an intruder and can use deadly force once the person illegally enters their home, vehicle or other dwelling, including a tent. The bill provides an absolute defense against being charged or sued for using such force.

“It ensures law-abiding Missourians will not be punished when they use force to defend themselves and their family from attacks in their own home or vehicle,” Blunt said in a statement.

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The measure also gets rid of a state law requiring people to obtain permits from their local sheriffs before they can get a handgun.

http://www.kansascity.com/news/breaking_news/story/175610.html

[evlbstrd]

1. There goes the neighborhood.

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. I am now in favor of a metal detector in my school.

[evlbstrd]

3. Can I get a home model?

I'll replace the front gate with it.

[proud2BlibKansan]

4. The only ones I can find are the hand held types

http://www.google.com/search?q=home+model+metal+detector&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

[AllegroRondo]

5. it doesnt change the concealed carry law

it only changes the requirement for a permit before you PURCHASE a handgun. You still need the concealed carry permit to carry one in public.

[proud2BlibKansan]

6. So this article is not true?

"The measure also gets rid of a state law requiring people to obtain permits from their local sheriffs before they can get a handgun."

[Hangingon]

7. I didn't see anything in the article about Concealed Carry

You no longer have to obtain a sheriff's permission to buy a guy - seems against the 2nd amendment to me anyway. It provides, as many states are providing, protection for the citizen to protect his property without fear. Previously, a prosecutor may decide that deadly force was not required and bring a financially ruinous prosecution.

[AllegroRondo]

8. read that sentance a little more closely

it says nothing about concealed carry permits, only the need for a permit before PURCHASING a handgun. the concealed carry permit is completely separate from the purchase permit.

[xmas74]

9. That is true.

Sounds tricky but what you're saying is correct.

(I used to run backgrounds for the concealed carry permits from the sheriff's dept.)

[xmas74]

10. The concealed permit was a separate piece of paperwork,

I used to run the background checks on the concealed permits and I can vouch that there is a difference between the two.

[proud2BlibKansan]

11. So is it now easier to carry a concealed weapon in MO?

That's all I want to know.

[xmas74]

12. I don't know if it is now

but with all the bitching and moaning I heard when I did backgrounds and assisted in processing forms it probably is. If they couldn't walk in, sign a piece of paper and walk right back out (without even showing us an ID, since they claimed it was "against the law") they would call their state rep while waiting in line.

I can remember doing warrant entry at three am and having some fool ass bang on the window to dispatch, demanding that we immediately get his paperwork done.

I thought it was too easy the first time around.

[freebrew]

13. question

Does a CnC permit allow the holder to carry in his vehicle? This was totally taboo in the days I remember.

Otherwise, in MO, you can carry a side arm anywhere that's not incorporated, or in public buildings, bars, etc.
Why would they want to conceal it? Just curious.

[Xdem92]

14. Listen

Dear proud2Blib,

(The following message may be considered "inflammatory, extreme, divisive, incoherent, or otherwise inappropriate" so I expect it will be deleted by the thought police before you ever see it. Personally I think it may be a little sarcastic in places but that's about all, you'll have to figure out where those places are. Mostly it tells the truth, as strange as that may be to hear.)

You do not seem to grasp the concept that criminals do not obey laws. Criminals do not get concealed carry permits, they are not required to. Laws are only applicable to those who obey them. Criminals by definition flaunt them. (Note: Criminals are the ones that kill people, rob, rape, etc... in case you had forgotten.) Therefore you had better get that metal detector for your front gate, because literally anyone could walk through it carrying a gun. There's nothing to stop them from doing so. The only possible way to bring about the utopia of total gun safety is to exercise your omnipotent magical powers by crossing your ams, blinking your eyes, and making every gun in the world instantly disappear at the same moment. That would work for a while, but of course then we would be back to knife fighting and that's even messier. But it is much more personal, so maybe it would suit you better. I guess you'll still need that metal detector after all.

But here's another thought, what would you do if you had a metal detector and did find someone coming through your front gate with a gun or knife concealed about their person? Hmmm, now remember you are probably standing only a few feet away from them operating your metal detector. Maybe you could program your detector to emit an alert based on the size of the weapon found. Maybe something like the one they use is France. Level 1: Run, Level 2: Hide, Level 3: Surrender, and Level 4: Collaborate. Run and hide probably would not work for a gun or knife, and surrender would likely also get you killed, so you are left with collaborate. If you can't beat them join them, isn't that right?

Or you can do what I do and just put this sign on their front lawn that keeps all danger away:
"This house is a gun free zone. That's right, there are no guns here, so just be on your way and leave us alone." I guarantee it will make you "feel" safe.

Best regards,
xdem92

[AllegroRondo]

15. Im not worried about the criminals

as you say, they dont obey the laws anyway.

Im worried about all the yahoos who think "concealed carry" means they can take the law into their own hands and start shooting at anything that moves if they hear someone is in the mall with a gun.

A couple weeks ago, after that shooting at the mall near KC, one of my co-workers said "If they had let everyone carry guns, this would never have happened."
Really?
Lets say you're at the mall, and hear shooting. Or worse, you see someone get shot by an unseen shooter, as happened in the KC mall. According to my co-worker, he would take out his own gun, and look for the shooter to return fire. Good idea?
Now you have two people with guns out (or more, if there are more like-minded people). None of them knows what the original shooter looks like. The police and security have no idea what the original shooter looks like. But there are several people with guns out, looking for targets.
My co-worker sees someone run by, with what looks like a gun. Does he shoot? Is this the original shooter running by, or a plainclothed police officer? If he does raise his gun to fire, will another police officer that just entered the store think he is the original shooter, and fire at him first?

Clearly, in a case like this, MORE guns just makes things MORE chaotic, and more likely to injure or kill more people. Leave law enforcement and criminal apprehension to the police and security, who are better trained and better able to communicate during a sitution like this.

[benEzra]

16. No.

Prior to the new law, Missouri required a permit to PURCHASE a handgun before you were allowed to go to the gun store and buy one. Now, you still have to have a background check, but you don't need the purchase permit. To carry, you still have to get a carry license. There are only two states that don't require a permit in order to carry a concealed firearm for lawful purposes, and those are Vermont and Alaska.

I don't know about Missouri, but here in NC the permit-to-purchase was a legacy of the Jim Crow era, designed to keep handguns "out of the wrong (color) hands" by requiring prospective handgun purchasers to show up in person at the county sheriff's office and ask for permission from the (usually white) sheriff, who was allowed to deny you if he deemed you not to have sufficient "good moral character" (i.e., whiteness). We're still stuck with ours.