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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:36 PM
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What is a caucus like?
Anyone here been to a Minnesota caucus before? Just wondering what happens, how long it takes, any other experiences you care to share. Thanks!
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kickysnana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:47 PM
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1. I think the last one I went to was 1984
but then my memory has not been good this week. Jesse Jackson was running, just northwest of downtown St Paul. Felt good talking to my neighbors, very civil, people spoke, some had platforms they were pushing but they also listened.

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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 07:48 PM
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2. I can tell you about my experiences
You sign in, and then they take a straw poll of your choice for presidential candidate (or Senate candidate in 2006).

After that, they elect delegates to the district convention and vote on resolutions proposed by attendees.

We no longer use the "walking caucus" system practiced in Iowa.
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 08:04 PM
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3. I kinda miss the "walking caucus" thing -- it was interesting.
But it took way too long. I think you can still cast an "uncommitted" vote, though, if I remember correctly.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 08:25 PM
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4. Doesn't it start kinda late, like 7pm? Let me put this another way...
if I need to pay for childcare, how long should I plan on paying for? Or, could I bring my kid? Can I just walk in, vote, and leave, or does it take an hour or more?
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The Velveteen Ocelot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 08:41 PM
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5. The way it works now is, you can just show up
and after a little preliminary stuff you can cast your preference vote and leave. You can bring your kid, and you can stay for the rest of the proceedings (voting on resolutions, electing delegates to the district conventions, etc.), but if you don't want to do that you probably won't have to spend more than maybe a half an hour. At least that's what I remember from last time. The do the presidential preference vote first thing.
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-26-08 08:48 PM
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6. They do start at 7
how long they go vary from place to place. Mine is usually over by 8:30 - 9 at the latest, but I'm in the suburbs where turnout is usually lighter and there isn't a contest for delegates to the district convention. How many resolutions people show up also affects how late things run. Go ahead and bring your child, just bring something along to keep him/her amused because a caucus will bore a child to death.

Or, if you want, you can just sign in, cast your ballot and leave. But you might find it worth staying for at least a little while.

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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 10:34 AM
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8. Thanks for the info. I'll probably end up missing this. As a single parent
I feel excluded by the caucus process. I never miss an election, even the "small" ones, but this is past my kid's bedtime in a week that already has too many evening activities scheduled.

I wish they started earlier to accommodate those with young children.
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Kilroy003 Donating Member (543 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 03:37 AM
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35. There may still be some hope...
Edited on Wed Feb-06-08 03:39 AM by Kilroy003
While you may have missed your chance to participate in the MN DFL Presidential Primary Ballot there might still be time to become a delegate to the Senate District convention. Mine, in SD 40, will be held on Saturday, March 15 at 10:00 am - before 'bedtime'.

Go to http://www.dflcaucuses.org/ to find the address of your County Unit chair.

Fill out this form, print it and mail it to him/her.

http://dfl.org/vertical/Sites/%7BC04B0B6A-109E-4F2D-A1B2-C92EC337D546%7D/uploads/%7B4FF2FD24-E765-4E78-B928-852D15F68893%7D.DOC

If you live in a precinct where not enough people volunteered to be delegates to the Senate District convention, the County Unit chair just might contact you and ask you to come(or remind you via a little white postcard). The next few conventions are where all the less glamorous (but no less important) decisions get made - like deciding on who gets the nod to run against Norm Coleman, between Al Franken (left wing radio, SNL), Mike Cireci (sued the tobacco industry, won $440 million) or my personal fave Jack-Nelson Pallmeyer (poverty/hunger advocate - author). That one will be fun. We have a terrific young candidate named Ashwin Madia running for Jim Ronstadt's old seat in Congressional District 3. He's an Iraq war vet and former student body president at UofM, who also happens to be a first generation American of Indian descent. And he seems like the real deal.

The caucus tonight was just the beginning...
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cd6watcher Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 05:53 PM
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22. They start at 6:30
This year you can arrive at 6:30 and vote for your presidential preference and then leave if you want...or you can stay for the rest of the caucus. ;-)
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:33 PM
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24. The call to order is at 7, but you are correct about showing up at 6:30 to sign in, vote & leave
n/t
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:22 AM
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25. Thank you for telling me this. That's good to know.
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kikiek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-06-08 06:27 PM
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36. Please be sure to check out Al Franken's website.
There is much more to him than left wing radio and SNL. His positions are very liberal, and on on alfranken.com
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question everything Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 12:10 AM
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9. And you can bring your kid
at least, the one that I attended, in 2004 had several high school kids that came with their parents.

As long as s/he behaves.

Mine lasted to almost 9:00 pm.
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Kixel Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:24 PM
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15. Anyone can come
To participate you need to have lived in the area for 20 days (I think?) and be 18 on election day. People not eligible to vote (including your kiddo) will be able to observe. It may not be the most exciting night for the short person. You also have the option of signing in, voting, and leaving. It's discouraged, but in a situation like yours, its better than not having a voice in the process!
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-27-08 12:41 AM
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7. Thanks for the question
I was wondering too. I'll be attending for my first time too.
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 01:00 AM
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10. If you care who is Prez DFL nominiee go to Precinct caucus
If want to ballot(vote) for the President nominee, then go to your Precinct caucus. Sign your name, cast your ballot (vote) for your favorite candidate, and then you can leave.
It is very easy, and you can take your kids. Just ask them to behave. My precinct causus was at a rec center.. so kids where playing in the community room while parents participate in the precinct caucus.


If you can stay and want to stay, then you can help vote on resolutions. What a great opportunity your kids can see you participate in democracy.

Those who stay to be delegates can go to district and then maybe state and decide who the SENATOR nomimee will be.

I went to Caucus training by Peace in the Precict. They did a great job.
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Demrock6 Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 08:02 AM
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11. Contact the campaign you support...
In Iowa they were providing baby sitters for people. With the race so close I am sure one of them would help you out for a vote. They may even have something at the caucus locations.

Also note: The Prez straw poll vote is BINDING, not a beauty contest like the gop has.

I did the caucus and was an alternate to the state convention last time around. Contrary to popular belief the system is very open to anybody that wants to give it a shot, and people are very nice. The "party insiders" control everything is a myth. your say does matter, unless you say nothing.

I hope you can make it out to vote. No matter whom you back, I think Minnesotans are pretty smart, and a bit more Minnesota influence in DC is always a good thing. That goes for lurking republicans as well.
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dpbrown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:25 AM
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12. Two reasons to go to the caucus

First is obviously the Presidential Straw Poll. This is binding on Minnesota - that means that the percentages that the candidates take in the poll will roughly be the percentages of the delegates that go to the National Convention in Denver. This is easy - just show up, vote, and leave if you want to.

Second is to help choose the Senate candidate that will run against Norm Coleman. The Senate nominee won't be chosen until the Minnesota State Convention, so the only people who will actually choose the nominee will be those people who get themselves elected delegates to the State Convention. This is a little more complicated, but still doesn't necessarily mean you put in a whole night at the caucus. You can write a note saying that you want to become a delegate to the next convention (County or Senate District - That's where the walking subcaucus occurs.) Depending on how many people show up, you could still be able to show up at the precinct caucus, vote for President, drop off your note, and leave.

It's pretty easy.


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Minnesota Raindog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 11:37 AM
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13. I'm amazed that not everyone on DU isn't a regular caucus goer
Sorry to sound so harsh, but seriously, some of you haven't been to a caucus since 1984 (and that was probably 1988, the year Jesse Jackson ran)??? People with over 1,000 posts on DU can't find time one night every four years to stay out past 7 p.m. and attend the most basic step in our democratic process, and feel excluded because it's "too late?" What have you been doing in politics all this time? Do you even vote?

:wtf:
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 04:14 PM
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16. If it comforts you at all Raindog
I've been to every caucus since 1972 - and that's every two years, not just every 4 years.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 09:26 PM
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17. welllllll for the record, I wasn't here in 1984, or 88 or 92 or 96.... I'm a relative newcomer
to the state. Yes, I do vote. I can't remember ever missing an election in all the states I've lived in.

I'm curious - are you by any chance a single parent of a young child with no backup or support in town to help out? And if you are, are you also incredibly busy that week with commitments that were made long before Minnesota moved up the date of the caucus????

Why does it have to start so late? I really don't like your attitude toward me when I have a simple request. Starting it this late, with such a narrow window of time to participate, excludes many people. Fact.
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annm4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 11:57 PM
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19. It makes it hard but your voice/vote counts for so much more
People bring their kids/babies to mine. Some dont' like it/ Some love it and will help hold/play with the baby/kid.
I'm single female. No kids don't care if people bring there's. I figure if someone brought their kid it was cause they didn't have a baby sitter.

But I think just goign to the Precinct caucus is the most imporatn to vote for Prez candidate. then leave if you like, if the kid is acting ok, then stay.

The old die hards will decide the Senate candidate anyhow.
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geardaddy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 12:27 PM
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21. I'm an associate precinct co-chair
So, I always go to caucus. It's easy and fun and interesting. To those of you who haven't gone - GO!
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 01:42 PM
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27. Do I affect who the MN3 Congressional nominee is...
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 01:43 PM by Eric J in MN
...if I don't say that I want to be a delegate?
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:46 PM
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30. Probably not
Edited on Sat Feb-02-08 09:48 PM by dflprincess
Unless there's a contest for delegates to the senate district convention. Then you could ask who someone is running who they are supporting in the Senate and Congressional District races and vote for the people supporting the candidates you like.

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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 09:57 PM
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31. If I want to participate in the MN3 Congressional choice, then...
...I have to agree to go to both a county convention and later a statewide convention?
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dflprincess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:48 PM
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32. Possibly not
Delegates to the Congressional District and State Conventions are elected at the Senate District (or County Unit - depending on where you live.) convention. It is possible at the Senate District convention that you'd have a chance to vote for delegates to the next level who are supporting the Congressional candidate you like (or you can run as a delegate yourself. But if elected, you are delegate to both the CD and state conventions and you really do need to be able to go to both).

If you want to get a handle on who might be thinking like you, you could call a subcaucus named "Presidential Candidate/CD Candidate" (ie Gravel/Bonhoff - that's a combo I'd like to see :evilgrin:). All the subcaucuses this year have to have a presidential candidate or uncommitted as part of their name. If you do that you'd attract people who are supporting both your candidates. Even if you didn't have enough people in your subcaucus to elect a delegate and had to merge with another group, you'd have an idea of who you want to send on to the other conventions. You could also do some wheeling & dealing with another subcaucus who might want your group and get them to guarantee your group a delegate.

If I'm not making things clear here, PM me.




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Kixel Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-28-08 03:21 PM
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14. I'm helping plan ours...
We are planning for 1,500 attendees when we had 500 last year-Presidential years are huge, plus people are interested this year. Hopefully your area is well organized.

You can vote and leave, but you have to sign in at your precinct (I'm guessing most areas will do precinct sign ins as the logistics for a central sign in were a crazy thought). For Presidential Preference, you will have the choice of the big three, another guy (who's name I can't remember?) and undecided.

If you want to do the walking sub caucus, become a delegate to the County Unit/Senate District Convention. It's an odd experience, but a good one. Overall, going to caucus is a good experience-you get connected with local Dems in your area and get a better understanding of the process. It makes you truly feel like you are part of something beyond your vote on Election Day.

It's also a good way to get involved locally. I'm part of the leadership for my Senate District, and we can always use passionate people. The thought of "think globally, act locally" really rings true. In the fall, we are working for the whole ticket as a part of the coordinated campaign. There are a lot of people who want to be involved but have talents that range beyond door knocking. Getting involved at the early stages really can allow you to feel that you are doing more for the DFL. Of course, in crunch times everyone is on the phone or hitting the streets, but caucus is a great first step toward getting active within your party.
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Mnpaul Donating Member (754 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-29-08 10:40 PM
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18. Al Franken put out this video
can't link directly to the youtube - try this link
http://www.alfranken.com/content/videos_caucus

The Gravel/uncommitted/UFO subcaucus :rofl:
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wellstone dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 08:05 AM
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20. I think I've only missed one
What keeps me coming back is the realization that I am not alone.

I work in a nonprofit and sometimes we get in our own little circle and it can feel like we are the only one's fighting. And then I go to the caucus and there is the man with the rough hands and the overhauls, the woman who tells us she is a day care provider, the nun, the teacher, the union memeber, the college student, the neighbor I didn't know was a democrat, and I realize that I am only one small part in a coalition of people who care as deeply or more deeply than I.

Since that realization, I've never been too busy, never couldn't find child care--though my daughter still remembers attending, never too tired. I hope all can finda a way to go, because as hard as it can sometimes be to go out again after a long day at work, it is worth it.
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cd6watcher Donating Member (5 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-30-08 06:00 PM
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23. Arrive at 6:30 this year
You can arrive at 6:30, sign in and vote for your presidential candidate and then leave. Or you can stay for the duration.
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electron_blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 10:24 AM
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26. Thanks again for this info. The extra half hour helps, plus knowing that you can
vote right away and not have to wait. I know this sounds like only half-hearted support, but trust me when I say we are majorly over-extended this week.
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Scott from Mpls Donating Member (7 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 03:19 PM
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28. A quick guide
I've always enjoyed caucusing. You get to meet your neighbors who are like minded politically and really it is the level where you really do get an opportunity to express your will as a democrat.


Precinct Caucus Guide

Good government is created by people who care and show up! Even a hour every other week can make a huge difference.

I found that many people need to feel comfortable to go to the precinct caucuses. So here is a quick guide based on my experience to having fun and being political effective, first time out.

The Process in Steps:

1) Key Action: Go to your caucus! Each party has a caucus, so at least for just this night, you have to pick just one party. Find out where your caucus is by entering your address and picking a party at Secretary of State website or call 651-215-1440. If you choose to go the DFL caucus, the DFL lookup will give you both location and contact people. Mark it on the calender Feb 5, show up on 6:45 or earlier if possible.

2) If you are early enough, then go find a candidate. Key Action: ask a critical question, or present a critical fact to a candidate.

3) Check what precinct you are in and go to the appropriate room - usually a whole group of precincts meet in one building.

4) Sign in when you walk in. Vote on any paper ballot issues. In the DFL party, at the precinct you do not have to sign the back of a paper ballot. Read literature available. Find the resolution paperwork, and fill one sheet out for each resolution that you plan to propose (don't try for more than three). Your already written resolutions can just be attached to the resolution form, like this DFL resolution form.

5) Usually the meeting will be started by a "convener", a person who volunteered to start the meeting. Usually one of the first considerations is to consider whether the convener or another person should run the meeting. People usually approve of the original convener unless that person is known to be unfair. The person running the meeting is then called the chair. Sorry, no one gets to be the "table".

6) Then rules and agenda is considered. In listening to rules, the important points are a) what percentage is needed for approval b) how many speakers and how long each side gets to speak c) does anything need to be in writing. Changing the rules here only takes a majority vote, a change later takes a 2/3 vote. Changes must also be consistent with party rules.

7) Elected offices and volunteer positions are filled. Raise your hand if you wish to volunteer, here is where you can have a huge impact.

8) Meeting pauses occasionally so candidates and elected officials can give brief speeches.

9) The chair announces the next convention, date and time and asks who would like to be a delegate. Key Action: Raise your hand and sign the sheet as it comes around. If you cannot be a delegate, be an alternate. Alternates become actual delegates when delegates don't show up, which is very common. Note alternate order matters, so sign up quickly and then you will be assured of being seated as a delegate. Alternates, even when not seated, can actively participate in many ways.

10) The chair announces consideration of resolutions, and asks if anyone has a resolution. Key Action: Raise your hand. When recognized, read your resolution. Then give the first speech, you can read it right off of a sheet if you are nervous. Every consideration and every discussion of good resolutions helps move people toward political action, even though you don't always win approval!

11) Go home, mark the next convention on your calendar. Come prepared with literature, snacks, drinks and sudoku/crossword puzzles.

General notes:

1) Talk, smile, help out, make friends and have fun - these are your neighbors and your community.

2) Meetings are usually run, by a friendly version of Roberts Rules of Order. a) someone making a motion to do something. a second person must "second" the motion so that the motion is considered b) then debate or discussion happens where usually alternating points of view discuss the idea until time and number limits are reached c) the motion is approved by a majority vote.

3) Sometimes, it gets interesting when the chair tries to act against the wishes of the group. Usually someone brings up a "Point of order" which is a specific case of not following the rules. Then the chair rules that we are following the rules. At this point, a person can move to overrule the chair. The group can then overrule the chair by a 2/3 vote. Note that if the chair acts improperly that there usually is an appeal and remedy process within each party. Also note, that rules can also be suspended at any time for a specific purpose, by a 2/3 vote. For example, rules are frequently suspended to allow an guest speaker, who is not a voting member.

4) In the DFL, a few really active precincts will sub caucus, which just means that you break into smaller groups to elect delegates. The odds should still be very good, for most of the people in the very active precincts are still becoming delegates at the this level.

Resolutions:

There is an art to drafting resolutions that make them easier to understand and to be approved. The "whereas portion" is just a sneaky way to do a persuasive speech. The resolution part "be it resolved" is the part that eventually makes into the platform (what the party tries to make law). It is most important to be short and clear. Don't try to cover details or engineer compromises in a resolution, that is actual lawmaking. There should be no more than three whereas points. The first one should ring with a deep spiritual value. You may change the whereas-s if you like and even the resolution, when you present the resolution in caucus. The same resolution presented and passed in many precincts has a great chance of making it into the platform (the party's commitment of what to make into law).

Sample Resolution: Create Security through Global Marshall Plan

Whereas solidarity with other nations and generosity in alleviating global poverty is more effective in eliminating terrorism than with military intervention,

Be it resolved that we enact a Global Marshall Plan that would allocate at least 1-2 percent of the gross domestic product of the U.S. to eliminating global poverty, homelessness, hunger, inadequate education, inadequate health care, and to repair the global environment.

Short Sample Speech for Resolution to Create Security through Global Marshall Plan:

Our country has forgotten how to wage peace. In World War II, the United States had a Marshall Plan that successfully brought relief and reconstruction to European nations ravaged by war. Now we need to bring back the idea of the Global Marshall Plan to restore peace and goodwill. If we spend a half or even a quarter of what we normally spend on the military during non-war times, we would truly be investing in peace and friendship. The war policy is a failure policy. Using the Global Marshall Plan is effective, it is cost efficient and it is the moral thing to do.


So go to your caucus, have fun and be politically effective!

More information available at www.mnblue.com .

http://www.mnblue.com/precinct_caucus_guide

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RL3AO Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-02-08 04:44 PM
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29. Is the Senate and Presidential caucus at the same time in the same place?
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cynthia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Feb-03-08 06:36 PM
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33. Yes, same time, same place: Feb 5 is your Precinct Caucus
Go to your location --look it up on the Secretary of State website:

http://www.sos.state.mn.us/home/index.asp?page=886

You will vote for your presidential preference there.

Then they will choose delegates to the next convention (which for me is the MN Senate District) where delegates will be chosen for the state convention. That is where the DFL party will vote for who will be the DFL endorsed candidate for Senate. I understand all four candidates have said they will abide by the endorsement and drop out if not endorsed.

If you are a delegate to your Congressional District, you will get to vote to endorse a candidate for Congress (such as CD3 where Madia and Bonoff and some other guy are running)- sorry not my district.

Unless your precinct does a walking caucus, you will not indicate your choice for Senate or Congressional races on Feb 5, you will only indicate your choice for a presidential candidate.

If you have never been to a caucus or convention that has walking caucuses (my MN senate district convention has them every time) you can get an idea of how it works by watching the Al Franken video mentioned above. Here is the link again.

http://www.alfranken.com/content/videos_caucus

Disclaimer: They don't really wear matching shirts or give you a T-shirt when you join someone's caucus. That is just for the purpose of making the video so you can see the groups clearly. In real life you can tell who is in which group only by where they are standing or sitting, they make homemade signs with the name of their caucus.

The walking caucus hasn't ever happened at my precinct caucus and I have been to them every two years for some time now. Precinct caucuses usually finish around 8 if they are efficient or 8:30 if there is a lot of stuff.

I usually sign up to be a delegate and at the MN Senate district convention, they always do the walking caucus. That takes a bit of time. If you want to be a delegate, they'll tell you the date and time. Ours usually takes most of the day on a Saturday (9 am to 3pm or so.)

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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Feb-05-08 04:52 PM
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34. Thanks everyone, for the information. I'm ready to caucus tonight!
I'm embarrassed to say it's my first :blush:
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