WTF happened to Angelides and Democrats in Cali?

[Bushknew]

We’re a blue state, Tom McClintock is up 48.8 % on John Garamendi 46.1% right now.

WTF is going on in California?

[daveskilt]

1. dunno - I voted in CA but had no dem to vote for in the house (42nd)

[Downtown Hound]

2. We Californians have gotten lazy

And I'm including myself in that criticism. We've taken this state for granted too long. It's time to do some work here again.

[cagoldensun5050]

14. I agree.

I'll be glad to help shake up the CA Democrat Party when I come home next year.

[Tempest]

3. You run a weak candidate, you get beat

No two ways around it.

McClintock is a conservative, but he is highly regarded in both circles.

I voted for him. Garamendi has no credentials compared to McClintock as far as I'm concerned.


It's not always about party. Sometimes it's about the best person for the job.

[stimbox]

4. WTF?

i'm speechless...
i suppose you voted for der gropenfuhrer too?

[mduffy31]

5. Angelides ran a weak campaign by all accounts

That is why he lost.

[stimbox]

7. i agree but...

he kicked arnie's ass in the debate.
but i guess that doesn't matter.

[bliss_eternal]

11. He DID kick his ass in the debate!

:)

[sfdiva]

43. I disagree all he did was attack arnold n/t

[bliss_eternal]

71. I didn't see it that way...

and frankly I'm surprised a member of this board would. :eyes:

[shanti]

9. he's a dem!

something's not right, is right! :grr:

[KitchenWitch]

27. He came out of the gate with the tying Gropenator to Bush ads

That did NOT play well here. Then later he tried to call Governator's actual record into question, but by then it was too late.

[xxqqqzme]

35. Let us focus on Art Torres, CDP chair.

He did not want Angelides to win - he wants to control the Governor's race in 2010 - If Phil had won, Torres would have had to wait until 2014. I doubt he'll live that long - his health is not good. Additionally, Fabian Nunez has his eye fixed on being the governor. So 2 leaders in the CDP were actively working to ignore Phil's campaign - Torres was also holding the purse strings. We have to get rid of Torres - he is a rethug enabler - he gave his blessing to the rethug gerrymandred districts in OC - promising not to run opposition candidates.

Torres has got to go. Get involved RIGHT NOW in your local party - CDP has caucuses in January, '07 to elect state Central Committee executive board members. Torres will be up for another 2 year term @ the State convention in April, we need people who want change cuz the CDP is ignoring the state and steroid boy is working to turn it red, w/ saurove's assistance.

[CAcyclist]

39. I really shouldn't criticise you but I don't remember your name on these

boards. What did you do to help elect Angelides?

It's not Angelides fault he wasn't elected - he ran as good a campaign as he could - it was the fault of every Democrat who didn't contribute money to the campaign, who didn't write letters to the editor supporting him, who didn't put a bumper sticker on their car or bike or backpack or scooter, who didn't attend his rallies, who didn't phone bank, who didn't even bother to read the newspapers, but wake up all surprised that the Democratic candidate lost.

I live in the Bay Area and I only ever saw one other bumper sticker for Angelides besides mine. I never saw any other poster for him besides mine.

[shanti]

6. no yellow dog dems in cali?????

puh-leese!

[shanti]

8. are you a dem????

jesus christ...

[Kerrytravelers]

47. You have got to be kidding me.

McClintock over Garamendi? I simply can not understand that at all.

[cboy4]

59. The only thing more disgraceful than voting for McClintock is the

fact that you've admitted it to all of us.

Seriously. :puke:

[Raine]

10. Angelides was a weak candidate

and so all the rest suffered because he wasn't enough of a draw to get the Democrats out to vote.

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[bliss_eternal]

13. This is the wrong board for Arnie vote admissions,

...perhaps you got lost? :eyes:

[FrannyD]

17. Whats weak

is the California Democratic leadership. They stabbed Angelides in the back as far as I'm concerned. And where were the unions, Oh yeah, home drooling over their contracts from Arnold when the $42 billion worth of bonds pass. Sick of them too.

[CAcyclist]

40. Prove it

What was weak about him?

He couldn't compete with the money and power that S. had - that doesn't make him weak - it means our party let him down.

[Raine]

44. True

but wouldn't someone stronger have gotten the party to support him and shaken the money out of the higher ups.

[bliss_eternal]

73. Well said, CAcyclist.

:thumbsup:

[LWolf]

15. I've been wondering the same thing myself.

This is my first November election not in CA, and I cannot believe that my former state reelected Arnold. WTF???? :wtf:

[slackmaster]

16. We're not entirely a blue state

A lot of people on DU fail to understand a few things about California politics. One of them is that many areas are Republican, and the Republican parts of the state are solidly so. Down here all the GOP incumbents won. That includes Shirley Horton who was supposedly in trouble. The latest results show her with 54% of the vote. All the 7x Assembly districts down here are solidly GOP. In the US House of Representatives, CA-49 (Issa) and CA-50 (Bilbray), which have a lot of money and influential people, stayed Republican as expected.

Schwarzenegger has not done a bad job as Governor. He's pissed some people off, made a few miscalculations, but he is shrewd and flexible and knows how to cooperate with the Democratically controlled legislature. Many people here see him as a final filter to stop some of the bad bills that come to his desk. He has wielded the veto pen wisely, always explaining the reasons for his decisions.

As for Phil Angelides, I blame his campaign managers. He spent several months running against George W. Bush, and the last two running against Richard M. Nixon. That was a waste of time and money. He should have run against Schwarzenegger.

A few other factoids for your digestion, based on my 30 years of involvement in politics here:

- There is no such thing as a Hispanic voting bloc. Cruz Bustamante is an intelligent man but he still hasn't figured that one out.

- Recent immigrants are not entirely liberal. Many are pro-business. Many are conservative on social issues.

- Anyone or anything that threatens to gut the Proposition 13 property tax limits gets ridden out of town on a rail. Proposition 88, which would have imposed a $50 per parcel assessment statewide, went down by 77% - 23%.

[madmusic]

20. You think his swing to the left was real?

I don't. It's a ploy. You've been around, so you must know they are experts in straw man moral panics, ever since The Dolphin Group got Chief Justice Rose Bird removed from the bench under the pretense of "soft on crime" this conservative propaganda machine has ruled the state. Her real sin was pissing off big business. That steam roller never stopped rolling. The same Dolphin Group produced the Willie Horton ad that brought down Dukakis in the 1988. They have and continue to Swift Boat with impunity.

Willie Horton's ghost comes to Santa Monica
By Robert Scheer
Published October 1, 2000 in the Los Angeles Times

Why should you care about the phony "living wage" initiative that the fancy hotels have put on the Santa Monica ballot if you don't live in that particular burg?

Because it's a classic case of the political process being bought by big money that is as cynical as all get-out, and the same tactics will be used against you and, indeed, already have.

snip


The Westwood-based Dolphin Group, which is running the slick campaign with massive mailings of ordinary, sincere, smiling folks saying they support the ballot initiative, is nationally known for having produced the infamous Willie Horton video ads that sank Michael Dukakis in the 1988 presidential election.

snip

The Dolphin Group has a long history in the initiative process, having as far back as 1976 run the campaign defeating Proposition 14, which would have protected the hard-fought gains made by Cesar Chavez's United Farm Workers.

The Dolphin Group is the same company that spent more than $5 million of Phillip Morris' money in a failed effort to pass a pro-smoking California ballot initiative, Proposition 188, in 1994.

As with the living wage initiative, which is designed to appeal to people who support a living wage--even though this initiative would curtail such efforts in Santa Monica--the wording on the tobacco initiative was similarly deceptive. It implied that the initiative favored restrictions on smoking, when in fact, if passed, it would have ended tough local ordinances designed to protect nonsmokers.

"People were not told that this would wipe out their strict local standards and impose a weaker law," Paul Knepprath of the American Lung Assn. said at the time.

As The Times reported in the Stitzenberger story, "his firm ran the 1986 campaign that resulted in the unprecedented defeat of California Chief Justice Rose Bird and two other Supreme Court justices. In that campaign, he and his partners organized a group called Crime Victims for Court Reform, which drew on mothers and fathers of murdered children who opposed the liberal Bird court."

more: http://www.robertscheer.com/2_localla/00_columns/100100.htm

After 30 years you must know about this, and you must know merit has little to do with it. It's propaganda and Californians are suckers for propaganda even when they can see it nationally in BushCo. It's as if Californians think they are too smart and too caring to get suckered. No one would sucker a smart and caring Californian!

Schwarzenegger will throw a few bones to the Left, but overall the state will swing even further, maybe much further, to the Right, and the Repuke's moral panic works once again. He has not been a good Governor and only got a good propaganda machine behind him.

[slackmaster]

29. He's a politician to the core

In general, any time a politician appears to shift gears or change direction it's calculated to maximize his or her potential for re-election or advancement.

After 30 years you must know about this, and you must know merit has little to do with it.

It's not just Schwarzenegger, madmusic. I would apply the sentence above to MOST things done by the Legislature as well. Most new laws are passed for mainly political motives, not the public good.

Schwarzenegger will throw a few bones to the Left, but overall the state will swing even further, maybe much further, to the Right...

With the Legislature standing as 2/3 Democratic and largely liberal, I don't see how he could accomplish much in the way of right-wing jack-boot rectum-filling.

He has not been a good Governor...

OTOH he hasn't been a particularly bad one either. My one interaction with him, in which I reported an inefficiency in a state government department, was very positive. (And no, he didn't send me an autographed Terminator picture or even a reply.)

[madmusic]

18. I got one call from the Schwarzentraitor

Just one, and all he said was that he is backing the toughest sexual predator law in the nation.

That's all.

And it got about 70% of the vote. Along with Prop 85, the abortion notification initiative, that's all he needed to ensure victory. As long as voters thought he was responsible for the sex offender law, and as long as he came out in favor of parental notification, he was guaranteed the votes to win from the Left and from the Right. He could be a totally ignorant asshole about everything else, and he would still win.

Despite the fact that under his own law he should be a convicted sex offender wearing a GPS device and banished from Sacramento and every other city in Kalifuckingfornia.

Californians are idiots, plain and simple. Fucking idiots.

[Misskittycat]

19. The Calif. Dem Party is a joke. n/t

[madmusic]

21. What really pisses me off is the feminists...

They think they made Great Gains here but are really led around by collar and leash. The Right has them exactly where they want them. Prop 85 was their real goal all along, and it is only the beginning.

[slackmaster]

30. Prop. 85 lost, did it not?

By about 54% - 45%???

[madmusic]

32. That's a lot better than when I checked last night.

It was closer to 50/50, something like 52/48 or something. They won't give up though.

[rinsd]

38. Are you the official eyeore or what?

"but are really led around by collar and leash"

Disgusting.

"
Prop 85 was their real goal all along"

Ahhh factually challenged in addition to trying to bring every one down.

[madmusic]

57. It is disgusting.

You don't think they will try another Prop 85? Sure they will. They are oiling their propaganda machine right now.

And I'm talking about Nancy Grace/Lisa Bloom/Wendy Murhpy/Gloria Allred feminists who sold out the legitimate womens' rights/victims' rights movement to the RIGHT. The Right owns it now. The Right owns them. All these women support the "patriarchal society" like few men do. Alberto Gonzelez loves them. What's worse, they appear to be the only feminists with any power. Why?

What started out as valid fight against indifference to crime and abuse victims was hijacked big time.

Prop 83 and 85 were GOTV for the Schwarzentraitor big time, and how do you think Nancy Grace/Lisa Bloom/Wendy Murhpy/Gloria Allred would vote/did vote on 83?

If only more feminists hadn't surrendered, like this:

http://www.ucsbdailynexus.com/opinion/2006/12460.html">Prop 83 Holds On to Myth of Rapists

Published Monday November 6, 2006


As a feminist and active member of the anti-rape movement, I am writing to urge you to vote no on Proposition 83 - Jessica’s Law - on the Nov. 7 ballot. Since September, the governor has signed two bills, SB 1128 and SB 1178, that require GPS tracking for high-risk sex offenders and increase penalties for others. These new laws cover 80 percent of the components that make up Proposition 83. The rest of the proposition includes prohibiting registered sex offenders from living within 2000 feet of a school or park and enforcing lifetime GPS tracking for all registered sex offenders. Although the proposition has good intentions, the Santa Barbara Rape Crisis Center, the California Coalition Against Sexual Assault and many other anti-rape organizations strongly oppose Prop 83 because it perpetuates myths about sexual violence in our society, pushes registered offenders into rural areas of the state, encourages many offenders not to register and will end up costing the state millions of dollars every year.

By forcing registered sex offenders to wear GPS monitoring devices, Jessica’s Law perpetuates one of the most dangerous myths about sexual violence, the myth that rapists and child molesters are strangers to the people that they attack. On a college campus, it is estimated that 98 percent of survivors know their rapist. Nationwide, it is estimated that 90 percent of abused children are abused by someone that they know. By forcing registered sex offenders to wear these monitoring devices, lawmakers are perpetuating the belief that child molesters are strangers that jump out of bushes or lure children into their cars. This law does not address the real issue: The huge majority of perpetrators of sexual violence are friends, acquaintances and family members of the people they attack.

There's more...

This was the feminist argument before it got hijacked. She, in my opinion, is a strong woman who does not sell out. She wants real solutions, not Republican sound bites. Granted, it's only my opinion, but that's the way I see it. But then a lot of Dems sold out to the Schwarzentraitor.

[CAcyclist]

41. Don't f%#^#ing blame the feminists

What did you do to help elect Angelides?

[ProudDad]

53. What "feninists" are you talking about?

Inquiring (Feminist) minds want to know...

[torrentprime]

22. Well

Maybe this isn't what people want to hear, but I was at a MoveOn.org phonebank this weekend for Democratic Senate candidates, and the host and half the attendees were voting for Arnold. Angelides did not inspire.

[Misskittycat]

23. I heard the same thing in my precinct work. There was a lot of

anti-Angelides feeling; and a willingness either to not vote at all in the Gov. race or to vote for Arnold. I was very discouraged.

[madmusic]

24. No surprise.

How was Angelides any different than the Grope other than boring? All the Grope campaign had to do was accuse him of "me tooism." End of fight.

Did the moveon.org people go for Arnie's phony swing to the left, or did they not see much difference anyway?

[torrentprime]

25. i wont speak for them

But i can speak for me.
When the Ds controlled the governorship and the legislature, they spent us into a 36 billion deficit. Just as I worked for a Democratic House and Senate nationally this election, I want divided government at the state level to prevent one party rule. I am not a universal fan of Arnold, but I don't like such an important state, all levers of government, being in the hands of one party.
I voted pretty much straight Dem with the exception of governor and insurance comm. Looks like most Californians agree, so all in all it was a good night on the elected officials level from my POV. I'm not thrilled about a lot of the ballot propositions, but the Dems taking Congress is what matters.

[himitsu]

33. I agree

Exactly how I voted, and for the same reasons. If there is anything to be learned from the Recall and from the Bush Era it is that there NEEDS to be a balance of power. When there is a huge predomiance of one party, that's when you run into corruption and abuse of power problems. Arnie is a very moderate republican, and he's had some good ideas. For me, it was a easier choice than a return to Gray Davis-era values (which Phil Angeliedes personified), as Gray practically destroyed the state. I also loathe Cruz Bustamante, and I think he's a crook and in the pocket of lobbyists, so I was happy to vote against him as well. Other than that? I voted a straight democratic ticket and for democratic-supported measures and propositions. I stayed up all night to cheer along Webb and Tester, hitting reload on my page 10000000 times. I also am very upset to see that Lamont (to whom I sent money) did not kick out that bum Lieberman.

Don't believe all the hype about Schwarzenegger; a lot of it is exaggerated to demonize him, just like republicans shouldn't believe the hype that democrats are evil. So Arnie can be an ass and say some stupid stuff; I think that can be said of all politicians. I don't give a crud about his personal life (just like I didn't, and still don't, care about what Clinton did), as long as he isn't doing anything illegal. I have a huge respect for Maria as well, she spoke at my college graduation. As long as Schwarzenegger keeps the state running smoothly and keeps the sharply Democratic state congress (which I wholeheartedly support) from going too far, I'm a happy camper. Balance of power is a beautiful thing and it's what this country was built on. MANY Californians made this exact same choice, and if you want to villify us, then go ahead... but it's our state and there are reasons why we went the way we did. While you are villifying me though, be sure to remember that I helped to kick out that environmental disaster, Pombo. We aren't sorry to see him go :)

[madmusic]

34. Are you talking about Davis? Are you still dizzy?

You're a perfect example of the spin. And no offense, because I'm not calling you dumb. That's just how good they are.

Gray Davis and the vast right-wing conspiracy

The effort to recall California's Democratic governor shows again that the GOP will stop at nothing to win more power.

By Tim Grieve
Pages 1 2

NothingJune 21, 2003 | Darrell Issa is a second-term Republican congressman from Southern California. He's as conservative as they come -- pro-business and anti-abortion, supports prayer in school, opposes affirmative action, never met a tax cut or an oil well he didn't like. In socially liberal California, he's got exactly no chance of ever winning statewide office.

And yet, he just might be the state's next governor.

California Gov. Gray Davis was reelected just seven months ago. Although you'd be hard-pressed to find a single Californian who actually likes Davis, he was able to win reelection because the Republicans fielded a neophyte challenger -- bumbling businessman Bill Simon -- who was as clueless as Davis was conniving. Davis beat Simon by 47 percent to 42 percent in the most expensive gubernatorial race in California history.

But for Republicans in George W. Bush's America, defeat is not an option. If the vote in Florida goes against you, make them stop counting the ballots. If the Senate Democrats won't confirm your most extreme judicial nominees, change the rules so they can't filibuster anymore. If Texas Democrats won't show up to vote on your crudely partisan redistricting plan, tell the federal Homeland Security forces to hunt 'em down and bring 'em in.

And if you can't win a regular election against the Democratic governor of California, just wait a few months and then demand the right to try again.

A lot more: http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2003/06/21/recall/index_np.html

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Read the freeper joy:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/938629/posts

[torrentprime]

45. Not one thing in that article

remotely explains why people might be willing to remove Davis from office. That article is a discussion of Republican efforts to take a governorship. Fine. But it doesn't BEGIN to address why this particular governor CAN be taken down.

The budget woes in Sacramento? What about those? Wasn't that a part of the recall? This article pretends not. Oh, wait, yes, Salon disposes of those effortlessly: <i> "But by the time Davis was up for reelection, the dot-com bust, the foundering national economy and California's disastrous experiment with energy deregulation had changed the state's economic outlook so dramatically that talk of the good times would have rung hollow."</i> Oh yes, it's the dotcom bust's fault. Not million dollar giveaways to the prison unions or an insane increase in spending, or a 36 billion dollar deficit hole that was hidden until after the election, right when Davis announced a quadrupling of the car tax to solve the financial mess that the Ds in Sac had gotten us into. It was the national economy and the dotcom bust that made them spend so much. Please.

No one forced them to give away billions and not save or prepare for the inevitable ending of the dotcom money. No one. They spent it like they had a right to, and someone had to get them out of the trouble they were in.

None of the above is spin--it's financial fact. "They" are not good enough to invent or create history, "they" cannot make the Ds choices in Sacramento anything other than what they are or were. That's political opportunity, not spin.

[madmusic]

58. There IS a vast right wing conspircy.

It is an excellent propaganda machine that wins even if the Right loses elections. It is alive and well in California, though it got busted to its knees in much of the rest of the nation.

They will not close it down just because you say they can't force the Ds to make choices. They can, and do. If they can spin any issue to the Right, the Ds have to compromise further to the Right. True, that's opportunity, and I'm saying we should shut it down and cut off their opportunity at the knees.

We have the opportunity now. Let's take it.

[CAcyclist]

42. I doubt that nt

[torrentprime]

46. That's ok

My ego's strong enough to stand a baseless accusation of lying. I know the truth is hard to accept sometimes.

[Kerrytravelers]

66. You, too, huh?

Of all the hours I've spent with MoveOn and all the MoveOn members I know, I've never heard anything like this. And we travel to volunteer, so my knowledge isn't just my local area. (Hence my user name)

[roody]

60. I would expect a higher level

of critical thinking from Moveon volunteers. I guess they are star-struck moviegoers too.

[cascadiance]

26. I still think Feinstein should have run in the recall election...

... and perhaps this one too. I think she would have kicked Arnold's ass. That would have solved two problems. First, we'd have gotten Arnold out, and second get DiFi in a spot where I think she'll do less damage than she is in the Senate.

Perhaps we can still talk her into running in a recall election if se can get that started in the next year or so! She would have nothing to lose. If she won, she'd be governor and the opportnity to appoint her own successor in the senate. If not, she stays on as senator.

[ProudDad]

54. Aw but then DiFi

couldn't have steered all of that war gravy to her hubby...

[Megahurtz]

28. Also

there are loads of SUV driving "I've Got Mine-ers" here that don't want
their precious Portfolios fucked with, and are quite content with their Bush Tax Cuts.
Lots of Big Money here. :puke:
God forbid that they would have to pay their fair share!:eyes: :sarcasm:

People like that don't give a shit about anyone else.
I don't know what it's looking like up North, but down here it's looking
more and more to me like Ca is turning into a Red State.

[slackmaster]

31. It's not just big money people who vote their pocketbooks

Look at what happened to Prop. 88.

Anyone who dares whisper of an end-run around Proposition 13 or a statewide increase in sales tax or income tax gets tarred and feathered. One of the Schwarzenegger flyers accused Phil Angelides of wanting to gut the property tax limits. I don't know if that's actually true or not, but the perception would certainly have had an effect on a lot of voters.

Some factoids about California voters:

- Homeowners are more reliable voters than non-homeowners.

- Higher income people (over $60K) vote more often than low income people.

- A higher percentage of white people vote than minorities.

- People over 45 vote more than people under 45.

I don't know what it's looking like up North, but down here it's looking more and more to me like Ca is turning into a Red State.

It's been a reddish shade of purple as long as I can remember, and I started voting in 1976.

[bliss_eternal]

36. Minorities and low income voters would vote more

if people weren't screwing with their votes--intimidating them, threatening them and in some cases just not sending them their voter registration information. I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but the last few elections I heard many reports from minority communities where people just didn't get their voter information--when they called or inquired, they had a hell of a time getting what they needed so they could vote.

That's NOT cool. I don't think it's a coincidence that the minority community voters are the ones that get their votes fucked over, in Florida, Ohio and yes in California too--the people in charge don't WANT their votes counted. Wonder why?

:grr: :mad:

[CAcyclist]

37. It's called money nt

[Frances]

48. I am really depressed about the posts on this thread

putting down Angelides and supporting Arnold.

I am so jealous of my Dem friends in Virginia where I used to work and in Maryland where I used to live. Virginians saw through the "personable" Allen and replaced him with a Dem. Marylanders saw through the really good ads that the Repub Senatorial candidate Steele ran and voted for the Dem; they also replaced their Repub governor (even though he had high approval ratings) with a Dem.

If people on DU can't see through the Gropinator's "charm," then there is no hope for the rest of California.

By the way, Nancy Pelosi grew up in Baltimore Maryland. There was a story about the people in Little Italy who remember her and her family.

Maybe we need to get another transplanted Marylander to run for governor of California!

[bemildred]

49. Props to you.

California can be frustrating. But it's better than it used to be. Congrats on yr own results.

[Kerrytravelers]

50. I'm with you.

I can not believe that someone on a Democratic activist board like DU would actually think that Schwartzennidiot is a better person for the job than Angelides. And that Garamendi, who was in Clinton's cabinet, has no credentials when compared to McClintock. Unbelievable. If this state is as red as some claim, then wouldn't the smart thing to do is do everything you can to change that- including voting for Democrats?

I'm just shocked. A dark moment on the DU board, for sure.

[Frances]

51. Well you did cheer me up with the word S-idiot

Thanks

[Kerrytravelers]

55. We've been calling him that for a long time.

He has well earned the name.

[roody]

61. Thank you!!!

[Kerrytravelers]

67. You are welcome.

[bliss_eternal]

72. Thank you for saying so, Frances!

:applause:

Oh and fyi, sometimes those that post things that don't look progressive or democratic--aren't. Sometimes in such cases, alert is your friend. ;) Pre and post elections tend to bring out some trolls.

[ProudDad]

52. What happened to Angelides?

Aaaaaaanold: $113,000,000
Phil: $ 40,000,000 (a guess)

Anybody who didn't vote for Proposition 89 in California should roast in HELL FOREVER!!!

[Bushknew]

56. After reading everyone’s analysis …

California has become WAY to competitive, Dems need to
energize the base here and get a higher Dem turn out in 06.

Angelides was left hanging by the Democratic party.

Was it due to political jockeying by Art Torres? That's so Focked up.

I don’t know but I really want to know and understand why?

I know money is a big factor as well, so how much did the Democratic party help him with?

[msongs]

62. Angelides conceded with 70% of the ballots UNCOUNTED!

gee phil, you coulda waited until, say 50% were counted before you threw in the towel, bailed out, surrendered, caved in, crapped out, bit the dust, got outta town, and quit.

whatever you say about Phil, fight to the last vote counted his not his thing.


Msongs
www.msongs.com/political-shirts.htm

[madmusic]

64. Maybe he was a Rethug mole n/t

[musette_sf]

63. I like Phil but he suffers from COWS Syndrome

(COWS: Cup Of Warm Spit... as in As Exciting As...)

He never was able to convey any kind of personal magnetism in his speeches and advertising. I'm not a voter who is swayed by any of that BS, but unfortunately, too many voters are.

[Frances]

65. According to today's Post,

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/11/10/AR2006111001538.html

Arnold is rumored to be considering a run against Boxer for Senator in 2010. If the election were held today, I am sure Arnold would win. Folks, we've got to get our act together.

[Kerrytravelers]

68. So, then he won't run for a full second term?

Perhaps the state Dem party may want to pull it together.

[cagoldensun5050]

70. Arnold will be term-limited in 2010

[Kerrytravelers]

74. The first two years count? I thought it was two complete terms.

This is, technically, the beginning of his four year term.

Does the fact that he came in on a recall and was elected count toward his terms?

[goclark]

69. It's called ArnieBOLD Machines nt

[Kerrytravelers]

75. I am saddened by what I've read here at DU.

I see all kinds of nonsense floating about recently- and not by a sudden surge of new DUers whose are questionable (not all newbies, just a few select ones who seem to have lost their way on the internet(s) superhighway.)

We can't even get the Democratic base to vote for Democrats. Should the state party have to romance their base every single election?


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[davidinalameda]

76. the state party should have to romance the base

why take people for granted

when the party throws up losers like Angelides and Bustamonte, what do they expect will happen

those were the two worst candidates that I've seen in a while, at least since Kerry's 2004 campaign

[Kerrytravelers]

77. Well, I can't argue about the worst candidates.

I defend voting for Democrats and voting strategically, but I certainly held my nose when voting for a few of them this year!

My thought is that when times are this divisive, I would hope the base would vote for the Democrats and let the money go into wooing the swing voters.

I guess I just take real offense to Arnold since I'm in education and his special election tactic was, in part, directed towards me. I still haven't gotten over that!