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Becky72 Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:18 PM
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I want Obama to stop taking advice from Tom Daschle and summon Paul Krugman instead
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 07:16 PM by Becky72
Daschle has a conflict of interest. He will do what will benefit him the most in the long run; that is, what benefits the people he's working for --health care industry lobbyists at Alston & Bird.

Daschle is said to be pushing for a co-op system. This idea, the New York Times said today, "happens to dovetail with the interests of many Alston & Bird clients, like the insurance giant UnitedHealth and the Tennessee Hospital Association. And it is drawing angry cries of accommodation from more liberal House Democrats bent on including a public insurance plan."

Glenn Greenwald replied, "Congrats to Tom Daschle's "insurance giant" clients for finding that his policy "happens to dovetail with their interests."

The President should ask Paul Krugman for advice, or any of the many other people without conflict of interest who are available to give the President honest, effective, progressive ideas.
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:24 PM
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1. I am beginning to wonder--Why keep going to these Red State
Centrist Advisors. They have been the chief advisors and look
where it has gotten him.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:26 PM
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2. How 'bout Dr. Dean? nt
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:37 PM
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3. How 'bout both of them- and toss Lakoff and Westen into the mix
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BlueMTexpat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:03 PM
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6. +1! n/t
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 08:46 PM
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11. I get the impression that Dean is persona non grata at the W.H., courtesy of Rahm
Emmanuel. They don't get along. I guess you noticed that Dean was ousted from his chairmanship, and Rahm installed as Chief of Staff, while no place was made for Dr. Dean? That pretty much says it all.
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MarjorieG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 06:43 PM
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4. Obama seeks all advice. Daschle is one voice of the possible, but Obama will decide for himself.
Ideas are not the issue.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:50 PM
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13. I appreciate the fact that he gets info from all sides. He's no dummy. nt
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Teaser Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:00 PM
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5. What is Paul Krugman's expertise in health care policy?
Edited on Sun Aug-23-09 07:01 PM by Teaser
here's the part where you say:

"Well what is Daschle's?" Of course, that is simply evading the question but I'll expect it anyway.
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khal02 Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:11 PM
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7. Expertise
How dare you insinuate that Paul Krugman is not all knowing? Everyone knows that he is the end all and be all of all things progressive and is never wrong. In fact, I think he should be president.

Dripping with sarcasm

It's pretty funny how both the left and the right have these figures they hold up on pedestals and swear by without any input of their own. The vast majority of threads on here are something along the lines of "(Krugman, Rich, Stewart et al nails it again." It's strikingly similar to the threads on FreeRepublic and REdstate that say "Malkin, Limbaugh, Hannity et al nails it." I wish there was more individualized thought process especially on the wingnuts side but also on the progressive side.
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:18 PM
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8. For some folks, expertise and experience with public policy
and a history of making the right calls means very little.

Maybe even less than a college education- a tenured professorship- or a Nobel Prize.
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quiet.american Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:42 AM
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32. Okay... but I'll take a Nobel-prize-winning economist (Krugman) over Malkin any day. nt
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krawhitham Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:32 PM
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12. Krugman's has no expertise, PEROID
he only works in theories not in real world applications
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 09:54 PM
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14. Testy, eh?
Typical of knuckleheads who haven't clue one what they're talking about.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:07 PM
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15. Krugman is 'the man' on health care reform? Come on, no he's not. nt
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:00 AM
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21. Krugman's read and understood his colleague Jacob Hacker's plan qiute well
Edited on Mon Aug-24-09 12:02 AM by depakid
which, incidentally- is the same plan Edward's offered and light years ahead of what we're looking to settle for now. The guy knows about health economics- and can translate it to the general public better than most.

Of course, some didn't like what he had to say back about it back about 18 months ago.
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Becky72 Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 11:31 PM
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20. Al Franken's experience consisted in making people laugh
Yet we love him and thank God for the fact that he's a US Senator. And we trust him to do a great job.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:14 PM
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26. Well, actually, Franken graduated cum laude from Harvard with a degree in Political
Science, which is more than many senators can claim. He also has a number of political best-selling books. You might want to do a little research before you put your foot in your mouth.
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Becky72 Donating Member (457 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:35 AM
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31. And you should find out the difference between "experience" and "education"
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xocet Donating Member (699 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:13 AM
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22. Funny...
I was thinking the same thing about your relationship to the English language. "Krugman's has" and "..., PEROID" are classics.

What is it? Is the excitement of posting something totally inane that which causes the failure of your English language skills?

I'm ending this post, "PEROID (sic)"







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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:10 PM
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24. He's an expert on international trade, he won a nobel prize for it
I would certainly take his advice on real world application in that area. On general macroeconomics or health policy, not so much.
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:27 PM
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9. Yeah. What in the hell is that corporate slug doing back in the debate?
Memo to Tom & Linda: Go away.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 07:35 PM
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10. +1
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:32 PM
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16. Tom Daschle is a piece of crap. He kissed bush's ass all the way into Iraq.
Damn him forever. May he rot in hell. Are you getting the message. He is a turncoat bastard that bowed down to bush like a sniveling weasel.

There isnt room in my tent for his lousy republican ass kissing self.
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BluegrassDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:39 PM
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17. Tom Daschle is an expert on Senate rules, how about that?
Why must Du'ers be so short-sighted? Who knows more about Senate parliamentarian moves than Daschle?
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:57 PM
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19. Dasshole was a complete failure as Senate Majority Leader
Possibly even more spineless than Reid. So his alleged "expertise" in Senate rules really doesn't amount to much. And the fact that he is absolutely on the wrong side of the health care issue should exclude him entirely from the process.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:01 PM
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23. Daschle is a George W. Bush ass-kisser. How do you overlook that? I won't forgive him bowing down
to the idiot King and kissing his shoes. How can anyone ever trust that bastard after he betrayed us. He must share responsibility for the $1.3 million dead, and counting, dead Iraqi's. His job was to "check", as in check and balances, the tyranny. Instead he let us down, he chose bush* over the people.

I could forgive bush* before Dashole.
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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:06 AM
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29. What was Obama's job before being elected again?
For some reason, I can't remember.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-23-09 10:53 PM
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18. He should call Krugman to talk about the economy, but not health care.
It takes a DOCTOR to fix health care.

<------ I know just the man for the job. YEEEEEAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-24-09 12:12 PM
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25. So you think the President is ignorant of Daschle's conflicts of interest?
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:00 AM
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27. What do you think? nm
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 12:17 PM
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33. I think the President is a really smart and informed guy...
And has an abundance of really smart and informed assistants, so I don't think there's a chance in hell that he isn't aware of Daschle's potential conflicts of interest.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:20 PM
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34. I dont disagree with what you said. But what is his motivation of choosing Daschle over others?
If you read any of my other posts in this thread you are aware that I despise Daschle for enabling the bush* tyranny.
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Hippo_Tron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 01:50 PM
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35. The President has chosen to negotiate rather than fight
And Daschle is a useful mediator between Democrats and the drug companies. Essentially what the President has done is make an expected value calculation for fighting vs negotiating. With a certain probability he will win and get everything and with a certain probability he will lose and get nothing. The alternative is to negotiate which means he will certainly get something but certainly not everything. He has calculated that negotiating is better than fighting. I'm not saying you should agree with him but I believe that is more or less how we arrived at where we are. Additionally, what is best for the President is not necessarily what is best for you or I.
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rhett o rick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 04:07 PM
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37. I completely agree. I just wouldn't trust Daschle not to stab us in the back again. nm
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asdjrocky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 10:01 AM
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28. No way that will happen, the WH does not talk to liberals.
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polichick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 11:31 AM
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30. Sad, but apparently true. nt
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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-25-09 02:01 PM
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36. I definitely don't want him taking health care advice from Krugman.
What the hell does he know about health care policy or how to get a bill through Congress. Zilch, that's what.
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