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Nyquil Man Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:51 PM
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Look in your crystal ball: Who's the GOP nominee in 2012?
I know these kinds of prediction threads are always a bit dopey - very few people were predicting in 2005 that Barack Obama would be the Democratic nominee in '08, let alone the President in '09 - but they're interesting nevertheless.

So who are the most likely suspects?
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Sanity Claws Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:52 PM
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1. A white male over 60
That's all I can see for now.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:59 AM
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108. You are a visionary, madam. n/t
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 12:52 PM
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132. Next thing you're going to be telling me is that he will be rich !!!!
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bbinacan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:53 PM
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2. I think the ticket will be
Romney/Huckabee.

Welcome to DU.

:hi:
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Nyquil Man Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:59 PM
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4. Considering how awful HuckPAC's fundraising has been,
#2 may be the best the Huckster can hope for.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:32 PM
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19. "Romney/Huckabee" I think you are right.
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marshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:26 AM
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127. With Palin quietly undermining them in hopes of 2016 for herself
She can take some tips from Kay Bailey Hutchison's current anti-Perry hijinks.
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movonne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:42 PM
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24. I think you could be right...
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JoePhilly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:53 PM
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29. Mitt is the "wrong kind of Christian".
The Christian base of the GOP sees him as following a false God.
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 03:22 PM
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94. That's why he will pick Huckabee as VP (to get the crazy southern Christians)
Of course they like Palin better than Huckabee, but Mitt knows Palin is "damaged goods".

Freepers will wail and moan because they don't think Romney or Huckabee are conservative enough... but when it comes down to it, they will vote for them on election day.


As long as the economy is doing ok, Pres Obama should easily win. If it's not, Romney has a shot.
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:02 AM
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110. Romney wouldn't beat Huckabee in a primary
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jesus_of_suburbia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:05 PM
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124. not in the south, but overall I think he could.
Those southerners won't vote for a Mormon in a primary, but they will vote for a Mormon over a black man in the general.


At any rate, I think Pres Obama will be fine in 2012. He's got this.
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grantcart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:34 PM
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38. yep

Although this is contigent on Romney willing to take an electoral college bath so that he can get control over the party for his real run in 2016.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:07 AM
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75. Thats the ticket, you nailed it
And it won't be good enough, not by a long shot. Not without cheating.
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TxRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 04:08 PM
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134. Or Romney/Jindal
But old Newt is angling now as well...

And Paulenty will likely make a run as well.
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Just-plain-Kathy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 06:53 PM
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3. I always felt the Bushs wanted Mitt Romney....or Sarah Palin.
Palin would be the perfect puppet.
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Alamuti Lotus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:00 PM
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5. Palin-Jindal looked likely a few months ago
Though both have made royal asses of themselves at various occasions since then. That doesn't disqualify them.. in fact that may help.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:01 PM
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6. I'm thinkin' Mark Sanford can be ruled out.
Ditto John Ensign.

Both were reported to have been interested in the job.

I think Huckabee stands the best chance, provided he's willing to make the race. Romney is loaded with money but the money he has couldn't even beat John McCain in the GOP 08 primaries.


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Nyquil Man Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:07 PM
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9. Sanford's just effing incompetent.
Ensign's awfully long in the tooth to have Mommy and Daddy bailing him out - even for a Republican.

Romney and Huckabee split the conservative vote in '08. If Huckabee hadn't surged in Iowa, I think Romney would have had a lot more fight in him. All that money's bound to buy something some day.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:11 PM
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12. Mittens has money but the rationale to vote for him appears to
elude Republicans.

Iowa and New Hampshire are the early marquis events on the primary calendar. Romney lost them both last cycle.

He's at least as rich now as he was then but possibly no more electable.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:02 PM
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7. Susan Collins.
I could see her jumping in, out-flanking Palin early, and offering a more likable alternative to Romney.


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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:45 PM
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25. OMG - that voice. ugh. If I had to listen to her - I would never, ever
ever watch a press conference again.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:46 PM
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26. Agree -- she's almost completely unlistenable.
And she doesn't make a whole lot of sense either.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 07:45 PM
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113. HAHAHA
what the hell is the plus side with her? why do they keep electing her? does everyone in Maine sound
whiney?
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 12:30 PM
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82. The right wing base of the GOP would never accept Collins. And she is pro-choice. n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 07:32 PM
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99. Right on both counts. But in a crowded field that could conceivably
include other "moderate" GOP candidates, like Michael Bloomberg, Susan Collins could slip by.

Also Republicans who are persuaded that Palin is bad for the brand might accept a refreshing new face. Collins is wiley and likable. I don't think much of her voting record, but an Iowa Republican might.

She could, for example, win endorsements from the Des Moines REGISTER's editorial board and maybe even from her Senate colleage, Chuck Grassley. We might barf at Grassley, but Iowa Republicans like him.

I could see Collins making a case for herself.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 07:36 PM
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100. I hope that your analysis is wrong.
I want the GOP to put up the lamest candidate that they can come up with such as Palin. I just don't want to take any chances.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 07:51 PM
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101. Palin would win the crazies but she's too scatter-brained to
win the GOP nomination. But you're right -- the weaker their ticket the better off we all are.

Romney, dull and witless and conflicted as he is, at least is almost maniacal in his pursuit of the nomination. If Hucakbee also wants to fight for it, I don't think either of them will give Palin the time of day. I think they'll take her out early. I think a lot of Republicans resent her celebrity and the level of attention she gets and that they'll make her net couple of years as difficult as possible.

Some posters here are suggesting the GOP might try an entirely new face. Ryan of Wisconsin comes to mind. The Republican brand could use an infusion of energy. I think Obama would still win re-election, though.
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:42 PM
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118. not fascist enough for the gun nuts, racist, religious right et al.
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doc03 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:04 PM
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8. Palin /Huckabee Huckabee/ Palin n/t
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 01:06 AM
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65. Seconded
:hi:
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:08 PM
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10. Any one that will smooch Rush Limbaugh's ample ass on the steps of the US Capitol
Which includes most of the above mentioned suspects.
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Nyquil Man Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:11 PM
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11. I don't know why they don't just nominate Rush.
I'm not sure how, but I think Obama would win more than 50 states under that scenario.
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:13 PM
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14. Obama would win all 50 plus Canada and Mexico.
Rush is a coward, pure and simple. He is nothing outside of his web of brain-dead drones.
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windy252 Donating Member (742 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:31 PM
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57. it's time like this I wish could recommend a post n/t
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TlalocW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:12 PM
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13. Based on the GOP today, it would have to be Palin.
The religious nutcases are in charge of the party right now, and the religious nutcase voter base is the one that comes out the most for primaries.

It's not going to be Romney. He has no real street cred with conservatives, and for years, their religious leaders from top dogs like Falwell and Robertson down to the preacher at backwater little Baptist churches have been calling Mormonism a cult.

Bobby Jindal is not going to get it because he's not white. The GOP is going to be waist-deep or deeper in racist hatred (much like they are now) after 4 years of Obama. No way they're not nominating a non-white in 2012 OR 2016 (after Obama wins again).

Mike Huckabee has the most conservative cred, but he's too jovial and nice for the rabid mouth-foamers.

I can't think of anyone else except Newt as a big name republican, and although Palin is truly a stupid, stupid person, she has enough political savvy to know that she makes sense to the knuckle-draggers and can play the "they hate me because I'm conservative just like you" card very well.

TlalocW
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Drunken Irishman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:15 PM
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15. This is my prediction...
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 07:16 PM by Drunken Irishman
I think you'll see Palin, Jindal, Huckabee, Pawlenty, Romney and others position themselves for a run after the 2010 midterm elections.

However, by 2011, Obama's approval rating will be solid enough to warrant speculation that any possibility of a Republican victory is minimal. Especially with the economy turned around.

This realization will weed out those who don't want to jeopardize their future on a run now. Namely Palin, Jindal and Pawlenty -- they're still young.

That'll leave Romney and Huckabee, maybe Gingrich and possibly an older, more established Republican (Graham?).

Out of that, I think Romney wins and loses big to Obama.

If not Romney, than it'd be an older established Republican.
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:47 PM
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119. You are correct. Think 1964 Goldwater or 1972 McGovern. If the opposition knows that the incumbant
is likely secure in reelection (assuming better economy, less war, etc. for Obama) they generally tend to pick a party "purist" knowing that they will lose, but give the good fight for the future.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:17 PM
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16. There's some talk flying around about Mike Pence,
the troglodyte Republican Congressman from Indiana.

I should specify, the troglodyte Republican Congressman from the 6th District of Indiana, as Indiana has a good handful of troglodyte Republican Congressman.


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Nyquil Man Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:29 PM
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17. If the GOP nominated a congressman,
I'd assume they were throwing in the towel.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:30 PM
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18. Governors actually have better odds sometimes than either Senators or
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 07:32 PM by saltpoint
Reps.

Two Senators ran on the major parties' tickets in 08. Before that the last one elected was John Kennedy.

Pence's interest in the GOP nomination may be related to whether or not Richard Lugar signals interest in re-election.


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Clear Blue Sky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:32 PM
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20. Nonsense to guess.
4 years ago the nominees were Rudy and Hillary. How well did that play out?
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Nyquil Man Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:18 PM
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32. Guesses are nonsense because they don't always pan out?
Why did people think that Rudy and Hillary would be the nominees back in 2005? What happened to their respective campaigns to cause those guesses to be incorrect? When you start asking questions like that, you're getting into history. And you wouldn't get into any of that if the initial (nonsensical?) guess hadn't been made.

A person makes a prediction and, if they're at all scientifically inclined, refers back to it afterwards in an attempt to figure out why that prediction worked or didn't work. That's the essence of the scientific method. It's also, as Churchill once said, the essence of politics.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 03:35 PM
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95. Hillary would have been a shoo-in
if Obama hadn't run such a formidable campaign. Not a bad prediction at all, in retrospect.
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Pisces Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:35 PM
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21. Who cares.
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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:36 PM
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22. Romney and Huck will be in the mix, I can tell you that.
Also Tim "I Have All The Charisma of A Wet Sponge" Pawlenty.
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PBS Poll-435 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:41 PM
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23. Strom Thurmond
:hide:
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:47 PM
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27. Had he lived, he'd be embarrassingly liberal for today's GOP.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:49 PM
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28. Haley Barbour? I'm pretty sure Haley Barbour sees himself on the
ticket.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 07:56 PM
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30. Newtie/Palin
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 07:56 PM by Catshrink
or Newtie/Huckabee

Romney won't get the nomination because he's Mormon and the base will reject him outright. Bobby J. isn't white, Pawlenty is a bore.

I think Jon Kyl, a.k.a. Vile Kyl, will make a run for it and have his ass handed to him.

Someone upthread mentioned Graham. Nope. I think they're afraid of the skeletons (ahem) in his closet.

Jeb? :rofl:

Cantor? Maybe for VP.

Boehner? Wrong color (orange?)

Gov. Good Hair Perry? The secessionist? Nope.

Alan Keyes? Keyes/Palin? Yeah, that's the ticket. That's even more BSC than Palin/Bachmann.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:11 PM
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31. An Alan Keyes / Alberto Gonzales ticket would be just right for the GOP
in 2012.

People would be lining up for miles to not vote for it.
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Catshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:18 PM
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33. The torture/whack job ticket
excuse me, the ethnic torture/whack job ticket. The RW might go for it -- think they're voting for their "values" and assuring themselves that they aren't racist at the same time.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:24 PM
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34. Yep. The Republicans are in a bit of an ideological pickle.
No matter who among the likely contenders winds up on their 2012 ticket it's likely to be a pair of people who reinforce all the reasons voters rejected the Republicans in recent election.


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WatchWhatISay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:30 PM
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35. How about Cornyn & Sessions (Pete, not Jeff)
Thats just what this country needs, another double dose of crazy Texans.

I feel evil just for thinking this.
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:32 PM
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36. Daniels (Indiana)/Romney
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 08:42 PM by PADemD
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:40 PM
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40. I'd flee to a distant galaxy if that ticket ever assumed power.
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PADemD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:45 PM
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43. Changed my mind after reading about Daniels.
I think it will be Daniels/Romney.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:46 PM
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45. The Democrats had a vigorous primary in Indiana and Jill Long Thompson
prevailed, but even with Obama's win in the state, she couldn't oust Daniels.

I worry about the country when someone like Daniels is out there potentially waiting to be named to a GOP ticket. They guy's bad news.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 10:01 AM
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78. I could see Daniels being the nominee
It would guarantee Indiana switching back to the GOP. I'm not sure I see Romney being a good fit as VP. I think someone else would be VP, like Pawlenty.
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boomerbust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:33 PM
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37. The one Puke
That seems half way sane - Laura Bush
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:48 PM
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120. The medication works wonders.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:39 PM
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39. If you grocery-list the possible contenders, they all have some grievous
Achilles heel.

Newt Gingrich*

Haley Barbour*

Sarah Palin*

Willard Romney*

Bobby Jindal*

Tim Pawlenty*

Mike Pence*

George Pataki*

Tom Ridge*

David Petraeus*

Susan Collins*

Jeb Bush*

Mike Huckabee*

- - - - -


I'm leaving out Rudy Giuliani owing to his disastrous performance in the 08 primaries, including his last-stand strategy in the Florida Everglades. I'm leaving out Ron Paul because despite the fact that he's a racist wacko he has no chance at the Republican nomination, ever. Sanford and Ensign both had been rumored to want a shot at it but their wieners betrayed their political interests. And some of the people I'm putting on the list have at best a very long shot at the ticket.

So there's an asterisk to each name. Actually some names need more than one asterisk, but the asterisk means that there is some clearly possible impediment to their nomination.

Of the whole sorry batch, I think Huckabee's asterisk is smallest.

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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 03:41 PM
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96. Huckabee's got a talk show
Odds are in two years (when the ball gets rolling) he will have said a bunch of stuff that will come off as really dumb or really unpopular.

It's the same reason why Limbaugh would be a terrible candidate. Somewhere in his 15 years of ranting, there's got to be some statement that looks really stupid even to his stupid base, and you know the other candidates would be out there digging for it from the word go.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 07:29 PM
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98. True -- Huckabee has that on-air record.
And he is a far-Right kook from the word go. He'd win some votes on folksiness, but the longer he's out there, the less modern he'd sound.


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madinmaryland Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:01 AM
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126. My God! WTF! You can watch 15 seconds of Limbaugh and find something
really STUPID to use against him!!

:rofl:

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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:42 PM
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41. Danny Bonaduce
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:43 PM
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42. I could see him placing a respectable third in the Iowa caucus.
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:46 PM
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44. If the GOP does not shake off the vermin
they will be stuck with Palin.
The emergence of a candidate true to conservative principles and willing to participate in an American debate will need to distance themselves from the anti-American fear and hate mongers very soon.
Unfortunately any opposition to the wackos has already lost much valuable time and opportunity and I do not think it likely they will be able to organize in time.
The up side is that the rabid American haters will come out with their less than 30 % vote and we will see a historic landslide as Obama wins the reelection.
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 08:50 PM
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46. I could see a Romney/Glenn BecKKK ticket.
BecKKK is so insane that the Teabagger/Birther cult could care less that he's Mormon, so he'll sell them on Mittens. And then Mittens will convince them that his economic plan (i.e his Bain Capital and the Bush Crime Family's Carlyle Group buying fucking everything) will "save the country".

The Blue Dog cowards are already trying to make his failed Massachusetts corporate "healthcare" plan into our national nightmare, so if they get away with that, Willard can take all the credit for the idea, and the whore media will crown him a "prophet" even before the boys in Utah do.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:00 PM
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47. How about Chuck Norris and the far-right brain-dead Baldwin brother?
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:09 PM
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48. Lou Dobbs depending on the state of the economy
Maybe for V-P if not P.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:13 PM
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49. Lou could make his announcement that he'll seek the presidency on
the border of Arizona and Mexico, astride a huge white horse -- it would just HAVE to be white -- with a John Wayne-style cowboy hat and a blazing red bandana nattily tied around his fat neck.

My guess is that CNN would likely cover it live.


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StevieM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:22 PM
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50. I think Romney is the most likely nominee. It's hard to know what will happen with
Huckabee. I could see him going down in Iowa and exiting early. Or I could see him chasing Romney straight through Super Tuesday. But I don't see him winning or even being the VP candidate. His biggest problem is that he doesn't seem to be able to raise money.

I think Pawlenty or Jindall will be the VP candidate. Maybe John Thune.

Obama will be in really good shape for re-election if he can get health care reform through, especially if there is a public option. That way the GOP will have to propose repealing it in the election, and IMO the American people won't vote for a candidate who wants to do that.

Steve
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Dinger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:33 PM
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51. Someone Relatively Unknown, Young, Flies Under The Radar,
not a woman, not a person of color, maybe an ex-Dem or an ex of some other party, oh yeah, probably the anti-christ.
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Generic Brad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:34 PM
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52. Is it too soon for Jeb Bush?
If he gets named as Florida's replacement to Senator Martinez, my money is on him.
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blue_onyx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 11:56 AM
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79. Yes it's too soon
If he runs, I think it will be in 2016, not 2012.
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 03:44 PM
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97. I think after 20 years of BFEE rule
not even the wingers will vote for a Bush.
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Scarsdale Vibe Donating Member (228 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:45 PM
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53. Zombie Strom Thurmond.
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sakabatou Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 01:00 AM
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64. With the ghost of Richard Nixon
Edited on Mon Aug-10-09 01:01 AM by sakabatou
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:50 PM
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54. Nyquil Man, I don't think this thread is dopey at all. I like threads that
Edited on Sun Aug-09-09 09:59 PM by saltpoint
invite speculation for events and persons farther down the political road.

We might just as well know what we're up against.

Right now, the Republican Party is in a crisis. I'm heavily, heavily biased against the GOP, but I imagine that over private cocktails inside the Beltway, even THEY know they're a shrinking entity.

And letting Limbaugh and Hannity and Beck etc. shriek and squawk like maniacs isn't going to expand their numbers or increase their viability. They've been whomped good in recent elections in part because they seem extreme and unbalanced, and they're letting the dittoheads keep up the squawking.

It's hard to puzzle out a strategy out of the mess they've gotten themselves into.

And then there was Jeff Sessions doing his Old Confederacy character assassination on Judge Sotomayor, this in a political landscape where the GOP once commanded the significant percentage of Hispanic voters and now are down to a paper-thin margin of approval in that demographic.

Good post. I say more power to ya.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 09:53 PM
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55. A piece of shit.
That I know.
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CK_John Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:18 PM
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56. I will revive a plug for Melinda Gates. n/t
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 06:05 AM
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70. Hi, CK_John. She might be too intelligent, civil, and accomplished for
the GOP!


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Alcibiades Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:40 PM
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58. I fear Romney the most
If he can get around the whole Mormon thing in the primary, he probably has the best chance of any of them.



Plus, he's an Oompa Loompa.
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beltanefauve Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 02:17 AM
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67. Romney's enough of a whore
to denounce his Mormon faith to get ahead. Count on it.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 10:42 PM
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59. The GOP will not use of their Main Dudes on a losing election...they will go with a "Throwaway "
saving what they think is their best for 2016...prolly Michael Steele/Glenn Beck....
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arcos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:37 PM
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60. Condoleezza Rice, George W. Bush's wif.... I mean... Secretary of State... nt
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Seen the light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:41 PM
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61. John Thune or Haley Barbour if they manage to become a third option to Romney or Palin nt
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Rowdyboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-09-09 11:56 PM
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62. Palin/Gingrich-the Newtster will give her "much needed gravitas"....
At least to the idiots that pass for "analysts" in the media
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leftstreet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 02:20 AM
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68. I could see that. Palin/Grinch vs Clinton/Some White Male
It'll be the battle of the ladies.
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DonCoquixote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 12:33 AM
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63. There is one name that never comes up
And it is a SHAME, because his potential to do damage is tremendous.

Charlie Crist, Governor of Florida.

You see, Charlie has the whole "moderate" thing down to a science. He took Obama's stimulus, but then soothed some GOP by saying he only did it to avoid the dreaded Income Tax spectre from raising it's ugly head. He proclaims his support for Religion, yet has never denied being a closet gay/log cabin GOP.

He ran on not allowing drilling, then supported drilling. He ran on the environment, then gutted regulations that were the one thing keeping the everglades from becoming a strip mall. But he is so cute and charming to many that no one ever acts against him.

Jeb Bush hates his guts, but that is only because that while he is the "smarter" brother, he knows his personality stinks, and that after his brother took a dump in the nation, the name "bush" will send many running for cover. However, Charlie knows he owes the Bushes, as they got him into office, so you can rest assured Jeb, and the Bushes, will get something if Charlie wins.

Laugh now, you may not come 2012.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 02:22 AM
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69. The GOP leadership hates him, he is way too moderate to win primaries.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:02 AM
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74. But is it too early for Crist?
I hear you on points.

But he's mighty new to the game on a national level. I think he's a contender for the veep nom, but even then, it would depend on the top of the ticket.


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JohnnyAmerica Donating Member (186 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 05:36 PM
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136. I agree on Crist
He has been in office only two+ years and is already running for Senator in 2010. He makes no secret of his national ambitions. The only way he would not run in 2012 is if Obama was going to win in a cakewalk. Then 2016 would be his target.
Look for him in Iowa in 2011.
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Iwillnevergiveup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 01:22 AM
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66. I'm surprised
quite a few folks see Palin in the picture. I don't - she's cooked her own turkey...errr, goose.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 07:36 AM
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71. Palin.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 08:58 AM
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72. Fudge-y , the gloved-wonder
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:00 AM
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73. way way way too early to tell.
probably someone who isn't all that well known on the national stage at this point.
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demwing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:10 AM
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76. If not Romney, then Gingrich
The Newt is being positioned, but Mittens just looks like the TV version of an American President, which will appeal to the racist elements.
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Douglas Carpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:50 AM
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77. Someone who appeals to the base,,since they already tried running a liberal and it didn't work
Edited on Mon Aug-10-09 10:01 AM by Douglas Carpenter
Of course I don't consider John McCain a liberal. But the GOP base does. And they seem to be throwing any hint of reality and pragmatism completely out of the window. Plus, the fundamentalist, teabagger, birther and freeper type Republicans who now dominate the party are in their minds fed up with always being asked to play second fiddle and not seeing a whole lot of "progress" on the issues they care about most; abortion, gay rights and a more hostile posture toward the Arab and Islamic world. They want someone who sounds like an only slightly restrained version of Glen Beck or Sein Hannity.

I doubt it will be Romney for one very simple reason. Gov. Romney is a Mormon. Right-wing fundamentalist-Protestants who now hold more influence than ever do not trust Mormons and do not consider them to be Christians. Also, Romney simply does not sound batshit crazy enough for the crowd who are now the mainstream base of the party.

Given the increased strength of right-wing fundamentalist-Protestants and other birther and teabagger type Republicans, I think Mike Huckabee has a good shot at the nomination. This would of course completely alienate old-style and country club Republicans. But old-style and country club Republicans have considerably less say in the party than they ever have.
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Tyler Generation Donating Member (344 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 12:22 PM
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80. Romney is the smartest of the pack for one thing:
He knows when to keep his mouth shut and when to keep out of the spotlight. I think it will come down to Romney/Huckabee, because they are the only ones that can still be taken seriously.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 12:29 PM
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81. It depends on if they think they have a realistic chance to win.
If so, it might be Romney. But if Obama looks unbeatable it might be Palin put up as a sacrificial lamb.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 01:32 PM
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84. I think Palin is being groomed to be that sacrificial lamb.
Someone is obviously editing her Facebook rantings now because, while still loaded with the crazy, they display proper punctuation, correct use of vocabulary and noun-verb agreement-- things that missives from Palin's own pen (or Blackberry) always lacked.

But, instead of trying to make her look good, whomever is pulling the strings is just letting her blather about whatever nonsense she wants, and only bothering to make sure it reads like someone older than five wrote it. She's the mouthpiece for the most insane beliefs of their shrinking constituency and no one seems to be making any effort to shut her up.

Plain is the GOP's #1 useful idiot. She excites the base, she brings in money and she actually thinks she can be President one day.

The Republicans know that 2012 will be a loss for them, so allowing the frostvixen quitterface to be their candidate saves their (slightly) better hopefuls for 2016 AND could finally rid them of Palin herself-- nobody likes a TWO TIME loser.
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totodeinhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 02:13 PM
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89. In fairness, most politicians have someone to edit their material.
But for the most part I agree with you. Palin will keep the base excited and bring in a lot of contributions. You are right, the real game will be 2016.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 09:13 PM
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102. I guess the difference with Palin is that most politicians have both editors AND advisers.
Clearly Palin's got an editor now, but surely no one with a whit of sense is advising her-- more like letting her run wild and just making sure the periods are in the right places. That's why I think it's all about letting Palin pull in the bucks while she can and simultaneously hoisting her own petard, as it were.
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 12:48 PM
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83. Jeb Bush
2nd choice Huckabee
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:12 AM
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112. A.B.J.
Anybody BUT Jeb.

No more Bushes. Please!
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Politicalboi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 01:32 PM
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85. Mittens
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The Wizard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 01:33 PM
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86. Himmler? Goering? Pol Pot?
Charles Manson? Michelle Bachmann? Ted Nugent? Beck? bin Laden? The Tooth Fairy?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 01:53 PM
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87. John Thune - but, he just might wait till 2016 if Obama maintains high numbers.
Edited on Mon Aug-10-09 01:54 PM by blm
He's too vain to put up the fight needed to take on a popular president.
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vinylsolution Donating Member (807 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 01:59 PM
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88. They'll pick the stupidest ticket imaginable:




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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 02:20 PM
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90. Pawlenty/Romeny or Palwenty/Huckabee.
Romeny isn't the right kind of Christian for the Pres, and Huckabee isn't the right kind of corporatist. Pawlenty is, and either Romeny or Huckabee could be the respective sop as VP to their frothing base.

Probably Huckabee as veep, with Romney Sec. of the Treasury or something.
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Hepburn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 02:29 PM
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91. Romney...
...unless they are felony stupid and go with Palin.

JMHO
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Mz Pip Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 02:37 PM
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92. Haley Barbour
He's a perfect candidate for the Republicans. Southern, white, and conservative. THe opposite of Obama.
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:51 PM
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121. Touchdown!
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SteveG Donating Member (833 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-10-09 02:42 PM
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93. Palin/Taitz? (nt)
nt
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deep1 Donating Member (252 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 12:32 AM
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103. All Obama needs...........
is a solid 51% of votes to win again. He can get it.

I'm sure Romney aka Ken Doll, will run again. He will not get the nomination.

Palin will not get the nomination, she is too divisive and stupid.


The nominee may be an unknown. But the Republicans are stuck in a quagmire----these are not your Republicans of your grandaddy's era--- If Nixon got up from the dead, he would never be the nominee in today's Republican party.

How can you appeal to the narrow minded Republican party of today AND appeal to the general masses? Been there, tried that with Bush.............you know what happened.......
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:36 AM
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105. Excellent read on the Pukes.
Thumbs up.


:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
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LaPera Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 01:32 AM
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104. Adolf Hitler - The repug closet to Nazism- ALL republicans are corporate fascist - Privatizationist
Edited on Tue Aug-11-09 01:37 AM by LaPera
Republican ideology is the exact same as fascism.... check it out if you don't believe it.
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Joe Bacon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 06:22 AM
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106. Jeb Bush
Jeb Bush will be nominated as the choir of Press Whores sing his praises.
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:54 AM
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107. Inhofe/DeMint
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Thrill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:01 AM
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109. If Palin runs. No one in the GOP Primary will beat her
The wackos love her too much. As well as the big money donors like the Christian Right.
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:52 PM
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122. Ummm....she will beat herself. Frankly, I think Mitts would wipe the floor with her.
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gauguin57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 09:12 AM
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111. Lou Dobbs/Orly Taitz. And I want to see both of their birth certificates.
Orly is obviously foreign-born, so they'll replace her on the ticket with one of the Death Panel Town Hall Hillbilly Screamers.
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MellowDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 07:53 PM
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114. Romney of they're smart...
He's their best bet. And even then I think it will be a landslide (barring other factors we can't predict). My greatest hope is that it will be Sarah Palin. Scratch that, my greatest hope is that Palin will start her own Conservative Party.
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hollowdweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:27 PM
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116. Palin / Ted Nugent
With Hank Williams as veep.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:24 PM
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115. Palin/Sanford
Double-plus bat-shit-crazy. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :crazy:
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:39 PM
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117. A total raving lunatic.
Edited on Tue Aug-11-09 08:41 PM by backscatter712
Judging by the right-wing-authoritarian direction the GOP's been taking, and their alienation of minorities and of moderates, yeah, we're gonna see someone further to the right than Attila the Hun.

Rick Santorum (he's been dipping his toes in the water.)
Mike Huckabee
Sarah Palin (though she's so dumb that she'll fall flat on her face long before she ever ends up in danger of becoming the nominee...)
Newt Gingrich
Tom Tancredo
David Duke...
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Capt. America Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Aug-11-09 08:55 PM
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123. Won't matter...the world is going to end in 2012 (probably due to something Obama did)
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mgcgulfcoast Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 05:58 AM
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125. sarah palin
she has it locked which is good for us.
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Ganja Ninja Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:30 AM
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128. Romney/Bush would be my guess but then again I don't think like a typical Republican.
Edited on Wed Aug-12-09 08:32 AM by Ganja Ninja
Romney's a Mormon and Jeb is a Bush so that might not be acceptable to them.

It's truly a wide open field for someone that can get the support from the crazy right wing base. Of course getting their vote pretty much excludes you from winning nationally.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:49 AM
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129. Limbaugh - he's the head of the party, right?
Obama could then take him down with a meatball sandwich and a few hits of Oxycontin.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 08:51 AM
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130. The Pilsbury Doughboy
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 09:17 AM
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131. Some jerk, as per usual.
Whoever it is, will be even more tightly bound to corporate interests, as the voters are finally starting to realize there is always a man behind the curtain.

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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 12:54 PM
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133. Joseph Lieberman.
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GodlyDemocrat Donating Member (388 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 04:11 PM
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135. Huckabee, Romney's too liberal and Jindal won't run
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 05:38 PM
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137. Isn't Bush Sr. still eligible to run?
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cornermouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 05:47 PM
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138. Gingrich.
I don't look for him to play second fiddle by becoming the V.P Candidate either. I think his ego will only allow an all or nothing scenario.
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theothersnippywshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-12-09 05:56 PM
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139. John Wilkes Booth. n/t
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140. Santorum & Sarah
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