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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 06:28 AM
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THis is a bullshit column from Huffington Post.
With friends like this, who needs Politico and Foxnews?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/character-of-barack-obama_b_251186.html

to address this hack's point...NO, it is not Barack Obama's fault that some stupid old wenches don't know about Medicare as an example of successful government programs. It is the fault of programming by repetitious lies by the right wing smear merchants.

What an ass. Obama is grandiose and timid? Well, he's both illiterate and didactic.
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nightrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 06:49 AM
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1. it's certainly a controversial article, thanks for bringing it to our attention. Here's one
troubling aspect mentioned in the article-

"The strange thing about Obama is that he seems to suppose a community can pass directly from the sense of real injustice to a full reconciliation between the powerful and the powerless, without any of the unpleasant intervening collisions. This is a choice of emphasis that suits his temperament."

Now, I don't know if indeed this observation is accurate about Obama, but I wonder if it is. We don't really do shortcuts well, and it just perverts the healing/change process if we attempt to skip crucial steps.

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Phx_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:44 PM
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2. Huffington Post becomes more like Drudge every day.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:49 PM
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3. A terrific article. Thanks for the post and link!
Edited on Wed Aug-05-09 02:49 PM by Better Believe It
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 02:51 PM
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4. if all you've got is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
if all you've got is a Literature Degree, everything looks like a problem with phrasing and lack of explanation.

WRONG! We've known the health care issues for over a generation. This author is barking up the wrong tree.
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:13 PM
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5. How easy it is to know exactly what to from a university office
hey Obama was once in faculty too, why doesn't this good professor run for office and get things done right?
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:14 PM
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6. This is not a great or useful critique of Obama by any means
I don't know if I really want my President suppressing his opinion of things (i.e. Cambridge) simply because the media is too lame to accept the comments for what they are. If he said he had no opinion or didn't comment on the case, others would be blasting him for failing to honestly speak his mind.

I think the Obama admin has done an OK job at selling health care/insurance reform. I don't know what else he could do in respect to an early explanation. He set the ball in motion and we've been watching congress haggle on the details. That's just how our government works. A major problem of course is that about 25% of the country simply does not want to hear what he's got to say. The media is magnifying that brainless dissent as if it's mainstream. They give a voice to the false "do nothing" option that simply isn't there. This is the same media of course that did a perfect job at ignoring all forms of dissent during the Bush years.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 03:15 PM
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7. How can one be both grandiose and timid?
Explain that one to me.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 04:12 PM
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8. K & R People need to read this!
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 04:14 PM
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9. what did you find most intriguing about it?
are you in agreement with that guy that Obama hasn't articulated his vision well enough? and if so, would Obama getting out there more cause you to then say he is risking "overexposure"?

I believe he will always be caught between camps of critics so he's got to keep plowing ahead with what he wanted to do way back when he was a community organizer or a state senator and realizing he wasn't in the right place in the org chart to make a big enough difference.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 10:14 PM
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11. Intriguing? I found his observations perceptive.

President Obama has not acted like the national leader of a movement and national leader of a political party that is going to make some radical changes in government and economic politics the people had hoped and voted for and so far President Obama has not demonstrated the ability to present his views clearly to the masses of ordinary people who do not have PHD's or other college degrees.

David Bromwich nailed it when he wrote:


Pragmatic justifications have been offered to explain his aversion to any contest that implies a clash of opposing interests. Thus Rahm Emanuel said of the disastrously time-wasting courtship of Republican support for the stimulus package: "The public wants bipartisanship. We just have to try. We don't have to succeed." But try every time and you will waste your life. And when did the public say it wanted bipartisanship? The last fair measure was the election of 2008; and the public then gave a convincing majority to one party.

"His pragmatism is what is overwhelming him," said Obama's Chicago doctor about his approach to health care. A surprising and accurate insight. Pragmatism is supposed to trim; but taken to the circuitous lengths Obama allows, pragmatism is another word for the compulsive propitiation of unnecessary partners. It expands the work and blunts the achievement of reform. This president wants to move big, but he also wants to move slow; he wants to start a great change, but not to be the prime mover. So we get the large announcements: Guantanamo will close at once, Israel will freeze settlements, health care will be made reasonable. The president tries to line up all of his forces, all together -- and do it with so finely tuned an understanding he can't possibly be wrongly portrayed. But while he is working in the background in foreign policy, or leaving things to Congress in domestic affairs, those who are angry, Cheney, Limbaugh, Netanyahu, the big insurers, say what they please. They don't much care whether it is true. The errors "take," as errors will.

Like none of his predecessors, Obama seeks the part but disclaims the signature of a lawgiver. It may be that he mistakes politics for religion -- not less than everyone (he thinks) must share the credit for the great deed. Yet sometimes, also, he mistakes politics for physics. His larger policies have had as their premise: "Things can't go on as they have" -- as if it were a question of natural necessity. In Iraq, this was self-evident; visible reality handed him the change he stood for. Elsewhere the premise is not self-evident. And, good as Obama is in person, a resonant speaker, an impressive master of details once the details are in, he has not yet explained a single major policy in advance with the accessible clarity Paul Krugman brought to health care simply by listing its four elements: regulation, mandate, subsidy, public option. Such explanations should not have to wait for the intervention of a sympathetic columnist.

Somewhere at the bottom of the missteps of the last few months is a failure to recognize the depth of the popular ignorance a president of the United States confronts on any issue. This complacency and the tactical errors that have flowed from it might be atoned for by other qualities in a parliamentary leader, whose majority and positions come with the job. But the Democrats have yet to prove that their majority means something solid; and their positions depend on no-one so much as the president. The party, for years, wanted a leader to assure their unity; they thought Obama was the one. Yet he has made it felt in many ways since becoming president that he would be disappointed to identify himself as leader of his party.

His political fortune will now depend on his readiness to reverse that posture. To take control of his presidency, he must give up the ambition to serve as the national moderator, the pronouncer on everything, the man with the largest portfolio. If the public option in health care reform is finally defeated, Obama will not soon recover his credit as a national, a party, or a general-issue leader. To avoid that fate, he will have to grant to politics, mere politics, an importance he has not allowed it thus far.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-bromwich/character-of-barack-obama_b_251186.html
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PretzelWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 02:06 AM
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13. this is sooooo like bashers of Kerry in 2004. But what is his plan? Does he have a PLAN?!
after the 50 billionth time someone explained what Kerry's plan was for item X and pointed them to Kerry's website where his plan for X was described....they'd say, "yabbut...where's his PLAN?!"

Fucking morons cannot be communicated with. The rest of us are getting the message, and I think this period of messy deliberation and allowing the fucking nutters to come out and show who they are may be productive in the long run.
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Better Believe It Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-06-09 08:53 AM
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14. Do we really know where Kerry stands today in the healtcare battle?
Edited on Thu Aug-06-09 09:01 AM by Better Believe It
He seems to be MIA from this battle.

Some have just he just doesn't have time to participate in this war because he's so busy with other more important stuff. You know, he has a full plate.

Why, he doesn't even have time to call a news conference once in a blue moon to make his CURRENT position clear on the healthcare debate, much less actually participate in this engagement.
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 04:20 PM
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10. True, how many times does Obama have to repeat his program?! The DNC should wash rinse repeat
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-05-09 10:28 PM
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12. Every time I see the words "odd" and "strange" it reminds me of the right wing screed
that they are trying to push, that Obama is not one of "us"... I will take that article with a very large grain of salt...
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