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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:16 PM Original message |
Yes, everyone should have health insurance |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:22 PM Response to Original message |
1. Let me guess, you have coverage through your job or the government. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. Neither. I have been paying for my own for more than 10 years now |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:54 PM Response to Reply #3 |
17. So think about the average young, healthy uninsured person for a minute |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #17 |
73. The idea behind demanding that everyone carries insurance |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:24 PM Response to Reply #73 |
86. This seems to be the talking point du jour about the uninsured. |
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DrToast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:27 PM Response to Original message |
2. If you're going to force people to have a service... |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:34 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. The auto insurance analogy also fails because the insurance you required by law to have is liability |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #4 |
9. I have often compared a universal care to public education |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:55 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Now you are arguing for single payer. I'm for single payer too. |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #18 |
74. I am for a single payer; I am for ending illness and poverty |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Absolutely the preexisting condition limitation should be removed |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Hmm... that's a thought. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:57 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. There was some politician recently who proposed taxing unsafe sex! |
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LooseWilly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
24. Hehe... as long as the taxes covered visits to the "clinic"... |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. So if you avoid paying into the Obama system, you are entitled to the same care as people who do? |
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DrToast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:37 PM Response to Reply #5 |
8. What I'm saying is that nobody should be forced to pay private insurance companies. nt |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:46 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. OK, Dr. Toast. If you can't afford to pay, you would be eligible for subsidy. |
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DrToast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:50 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. WTF are you babbling about? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:56 PM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Well, what are YOU babbling about? nt |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:04 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. Because they think 'subsidy' is a magic word. |
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DrToast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Even if there are subsidies |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:18 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. do you think you get "education" for free? You pay for it in TAXES. |
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DrToast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:29 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. My god, how dense are you? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 06:57 AM Response to Reply #29 |
37. And if you are hit by a car and are taken to the ER and you haven't paid into thesystem |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. The Insurance of the driver at fault in your scenario |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:13 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Of course! No one EVER has a problem with their hospital bill after a stay in the ER! |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:29 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. And if the driver of the car that hits you is uninsured and you are broke? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:41 AM Response to Reply #45 |
46. So you are saying that the auto insurance mandate does not work? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #46 |
47. I don't know where your numbers are coming from but it is telling that you didn't answer |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 09:40 AM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Boo! Fear! Scare! |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:01 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Your president has laid this out for you. In his press conference last week |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #52 |
58. That was before the Senate stripped the public option |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:27 AM Response to Reply #58 |
61. I agree and hope Obama fights the bastards to the death. nt |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:36 AM Response to Reply #61 |
66. And if he doesn't succeed what then? Will you still be for a mandate? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:38 PM Response to Reply #66 |
76. I will not support a mandate that is unfair and w/o subsidies. To do otherwise |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. And who decides what people can afford? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #53 |
62. I take it that's if you don't want your current plan. If you like it, you can keep it. nt |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:38 AM Response to Reply #62 |
67. And if you are uninsured now you will be required to pay up to 12.5% of your income! |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
78. I have not seen that figure. nt |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:44 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. It's in the House plan. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:13 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. So who would pay the 12.5%? nt |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. People at 400% FPL |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:34 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. I think this is why obama insists on the public option. Which I support. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #46 |
72. Oh but don't you know that uninsured people spend all their money on latest fashion and gadgets? |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:00 AM Response to Reply #45 |
51. If you are broke how can you afford the mandatory insurance? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:03 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. If you are broke, you go on Medicaid. nt |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:15 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Doesn't work like that. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:23 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. That's the OLD Medicaid. The new one is to be expanded upward to reach more |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:30 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. Really? Do you have a link to that? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:36 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. It is in Obama's plan. It was in all of the Dem candidates' plans backin the primary. |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:56 AM Response to Reply #37 |
50. If the person who hit you doesn't flee the scene, their auto insurance will pay. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #50 |
55. I agree about the insurance industry but we are faced with two prospects: |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:47 AM Response to Reply #22 |
40. If you STILL can't afford health insurance you can go on Medicaid, according |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #40 |
56. LOL. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:26 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Again I explain: you are referring to the old Medicaid. The whole idea is to expand |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:35 AM Response to Reply #60 |
65. MA's system is about to go broke. |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:39 PM Response to Reply #65 |
77. Well, now we've seen what we DON'T want in a mandated plan. nt |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. If you can't afford the plan, it isn't 'avoiding' , it is unaffordable |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. MA's health insurance plan is NOT what is being proposed! Please! |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:00 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. What are the subsidies? |
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CTyankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. What percentage are you paying now? nt |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Um, what? |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 08:03 AM Response to Reply #31 |
43. Congress pays about 3% as well, if that |
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bluethruandthru (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:24 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. The "subsidies" are taxpayer dollars. I don't want my tax dollars |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:59 AM Response to Reply #11 |
42. Families? You mean only those families who have the |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:28 AM Response to Reply #42 |
63. Bingo! |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:43 AM Response to Reply #11 |
68. And, what are the income guidelines - we have generous subsidies for 'middle class' families in MA |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:36 PM Response to Reply #2 |
6. I agree that it should go to a not for profit |
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RC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
30. The Non-Profits or 'not for profit' insurance companies as you call them are as crooked as |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:37 PM Response to Original message |
7. Let me tell you about my sister, the Massachusetts programs, & reality |
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question everything (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:45 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Just because implementing a good idea ended up badly |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:38 AM Response to Reply #12 |
35. Good idea? |
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whosinpower (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 07:47 PM Response to Original message |
14. Everyone should have access to health care |
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jwirr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-27-09 08:23 PM Response to Original message |
27. Are there that many people who would refuse to carry insurance if it |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. That's the rub. |
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debbierlus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #27 |
69. Simple and brilliant point. Exactly. |
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boppers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:27 AM Response to Original message |
33. Mandated car insurance? |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:37 AM Response to Original message |
34. Mandatory Corporate Insurance: Not. Fucking. Acceptable. |
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Naturyl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:56 AM Response to Original message |
36. Piling away, as requested. |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:06 AM Response to Original message |
38. Our resources should be pooled so everyone can obtain medical care. |
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Odin2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
41. Oh, quit using pesky facts! |
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Hello_Kitty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
70. Bullshit. I will accept a plan with a public option. |
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avaistheone1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
49. HR676 is what makes sense. Not forcing people who can not afford it to carry expensive insurance |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 12:15 PM Response to Original message |
71. Health care is the goal, not health insurance. |
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kwolf68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
80. Single payer... |
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PatSeg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Jul-28-09 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
85. We need to get "insurance" out of health care |
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