Now KO is trying to put Obama on blast

[angee_is_mad]

Fuck'em all. I'm tired of this shit!!

[HopeOverFear]

1. about DOMA?

[MadMaddie]

3. Yep!

[Thrill]

14. He said he supports repealing it and urged Congress to do it?

What the fuck else can he do?

[MadMaddie]

17. I am in agreement with you

I keep going back to the fact that it has been 6 months and everything cannot be done in 6 months. If we want these laws changed we want them changed correctly the first time, we don't want flawed laws so asshole Repugs can come back and take away rights.

It boggles my mind, I do understand everyone is frustated but everyone's anger should be directed towards the Republican congress under Clinton that denied tax paying gay Americans rights. Then there was 8 years of Repug rule that tried to deny even more rights, so that is at a minimum of 12 years and everyone expects him to fix everything in 6 months. It's just not realistic....

I would be comfortable with giving him a year on DOMA and for DADT with this caveat.

DADT - For all of the soldiars that put in their time in the military and then were kicked out for being gay, their retirement benefits should be reinstated with back pay.

[Thrill]

2. What did Obama do now?

.

[masuki bance]

4. You're tired of the critics, or tired of Obama? nt

[angee_is_mad]

6. I support my President

and strongly feel that as fucked up as this country and world is, he is doing a great job in five months.

[Greenpeach]

11. Me too

I'm right there with you. With friends like KO, he doesn't need enemies.

[Top Cat]

36. My President is doing an excellent job considering the hand he was dealt

[styersc]

42. I agree with civil liberties, equal treatment under the law, and...

....accountable government. I had hoped that Pres. Obama agreed with these principals as well. My bad.

[RollWithIt]

26. I think the critics are being incredibly shortsighted.....

For example, while DoJ issues the ill advised Doma legal brief, Obama gives same sex couples working within the US Goverment full benefits. So while everyone went crazy about right to marry, Obama gave those SAME COUPLES (who happen to work within the US government FULL BENEFITS.) So he sets precedent. If a same sex couple working within the US Government (Federal) gets benefits then it is hard to deny a same sex couple in say, Ohio (State) the same benefits under federal anti discrimination laws.

In other words, Obama has done more to benefit the same sex couple cause in the last five months (MONEY!) then any President... well.... EVER!

[sniffa]

27. "full benifits"?

You sure about that?

Yeah, the crumbs are okay.

[RollWithIt]

29. Clarify?

What exactly is crumbs about full benefits? Do you even understand what that means for couples financially?

[sniffa]

30. I thought the "quotation marks" would have tipped you off

They're not full benefits.

[QC]

33. But spouses can now eat in the employee cafeteria.

Isn't that enough for you people?

[sniffa]

35. Would you quit your whining?

:eyes:

[QC]

39. Why so grumpy? Sounds like you didn't get your pony! n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

60. I think people who call this 'full benefits'

are liars without principle or fools speaking out of ignorance. Which are you?

[RollWithIt]

86. Well, I'll tell you what I am...

Straight male. Fully supportive of Gay civil rights. Have voted consistently for Democrats and liberals my entire life. Voted against the DOMA-like anti-gay marriage initiative in Florida which passed with over 60% of the vote. I am a pragmatic person. I do not expect Obama to be able to quickly solve the problem. In fact, considering what is currently on his plate I think any progress he can make is a god send in the short term. HOWEVER, I would expect that if he becomes a two term President he will make sweeping changes to policy by the end of his term. Like I said however, it's a shame that he's the most gay friendly President ever and I believe people are overreacting to something that doesn't happen overnight. The reality is that even in California voters backed a gay marriage ban with a super majority. California!

[ruggerson]

89. 52-48 is a "super majority"?

[rcrush]

5. whats goin on? n/t

[Neecy]

7. Then maybe Obama needs to do the right thing

...and then you can start liking people again. In the meantime, he's wrong and people are going to discuss it.

[DCBob]

8. Ratings...

Don't take teevee so serious.

[Nedsdag]

19. In fact....

don't watch cable news anymore. I sure as hell don't.

[lxlxlxl]

9. understand the dissappointment...but the definition of

'putting obama on blast' is what happens on your talk radio and FOX 20 hours a day. they own that.

[angee_is_mad]

15. and it's been happening on msnbc and cnn

since last Friday.

[SpartanDem]

10. How so?

[HopeOverFear]

12. Well at least he ain't talkin about TORTURE

I was gettin sick of that.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

23. Yeah it would be horrible to see Keith devote more time

to the torture and in some cases murder of detainees that were in our custody and the message of "looking forward" coming from the Obama administration. Who wants to see that! More Sarah Palin please!!!! :sarcasm:

[roguevalley]

80. Keith is under the bus. Sigh. Too bad.

[roguevalley]

81. Keith is under the bus. Sigh. Too bad.

[zulchzulu]

13. KO again is proving to be a friggin' clueless STOOGE

Joe Salmonese (Human Rights Campaign) is trying to say that there have been some great changes made. Keith is trying to get Salmonese to throw Obama under the bus, but it was correctly stated that Congress needs to pass legislation to overturn DOMA. Keith got it wrong about how Obama is somehow responsible for the the DOMA brief from the DOJ.

Keith seemed upset he didn't get Salmonese to throw Obama under the bus.

Of course, NOTHING was mentioned by Olbermann about how the Obama administration had been working on this for MONTHS... at a time when Olbermann was in a whinefest with Bill Maher that Obama hadn't done anything in the five months (also not mentioned)...

When Keith asked "I'm missing something. What am I missing?" to Richard Wolfe, I turned the shit off.

[Zodiak]

16. This is a great case of overzealous defense of Obama

I saw nothing of the sort in the same segment. It was a fairly balanced segment that analyzed the move, the political ramifications, the possible motivations, etc.

I did not see Keith looking upset that he did not get someone to take an extra dig on Obama. That is your perception.

And look at the language of this post:
stooge, throw under bus, he "seems upset" (there is your armchair psychoanalysis right there), whinefest, I turned the shit off.

Seriously...if anyone is throwing anyone under the bus and smearing anyone, it is you.

But continue on with the latest DU lynching of a leftie media figure....it has become so common it is comical. It lost it's impact months ago...about the time you all were calling Turley every name under the sun.

[Bullet1987]

18. It is ovezealous defense and people need to chill out

Not everyone is going to agree with Obama 100% of the time. It doesn't mean they don't still like him...live with that.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

21. Thank you for your reasoned and thoughtful post

I wish more DUers would take your lead, but I guess throwing the few progressive voices on television under the bus is the norm on DU these days. And yeah it got tired after Turley was being called everything except the antichrist on here a few weeks ago.

[AzDar]

32. Well-said.

:thumbsup:

[neverforget]

40. Well said. I watched that segment and agree with what you said,

[zulchzulu]

53. Watch the video again... if you hear Keith's initial framing questions, you see where he was headed

I don't see Olbermann as the journalist he's trying to be, Edward R. Murrow. He's never going to attain that level of journalism.

I looked for the transcript...it's not available yet. Keith wanted blood. He got shit.

As for your reference to Turley, I'm assuming you're talking about Jonathan Turley... who I have never trashed. Link me, dawg.

[Zodiak]

78. I'm not a "dawg"

...and I saw what I saw on the video.

As for Turley, it is undeniable that Turley was lambasted on this site with all kinds of logically fallacious smears and insults. Whether you participated individually is immaterial.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

20. If you hate Olbermann so much and think he and Maher are "stooges"

why do you continue to watch night after night. I think you did the right thing and turned Olbermann off you are making yourself unhappy.

[zulchzulu]

54. I guess I want to see Olbermann walk back his clueless attacks on Obama

I don't imagine he's the type of guy to admit a mistake.

[SpartanDem]

24. I really didn't see anything that was unfair

[sniffa]

25. KETIH OBERMAN IS A RIGHT WIN TOOL

[nosmokes]

28. Yeah, ain't y'all seen the swastika tattoos he has?

[QC]

31. Olbermann is an enemy of the people. n/t

[sniffa]

37. He's ready to replace Richard Wolffe as the Republican Nazi butt-boy

[jonnyblitz]

43. don't forget the evil Rachel Maddow !! do the cheerleaders still

like Bareback Andy Sullivan or is he getting too uppity about gay marriage and Obama's NON support now, too? I can't keep up with their ever growing enemy's list.

[QC]

44. The people have many enemies, Comrade. n/t

[chill_wind]

58. Oh the "approved" liberal reading and viewing list is a lot shorter these days.

So short, it's actually taking me a while to come up with one. :-(

[QC]

61. There sure doesn't seem to be much the faithful are allowed to watch or read anymore.

Even the Inquisition allowed some pleasures.

[chill_wind]

62. I think we're pretty much down to Whitehouse.gov and tract literature

from the campaigns as fully safe consumption.

[QC]

63. Those are wholesome materials that will not give people wrong ideas. n/t

[chill_wind]

66. I'm thinking of transcribing it all

into iambic pentameter by candlelight with a calligraphy pen or something. That should keep me out of trouble and waywardness for some considerable time to come. An idle mind is the devil's workshop.

[QC]

67. Idle hands are the devil's workshop, you know.

If you don't stay busy, you might start wondering why we just threw another hundred billion dollars into Bush's wars today.

[chill_wind]

71. Or I might even notice

they aren't Bush's wars any longer.  Much as I might notice
that the Senate just unanimously passed a torture cover-up
bill tonight, but if I can concertedly ignore it long enough,
maybe it will stay on page 2 or 3 with only 3 recs...

:-|

[QC]

72. OMG! Sounds like you need a picture thread! With extra puppies! n/t

[chill_wind]

73. I'm sayin.

:hug:

[tkmorris]

50. Dude, what?

[lbrtbell]

64. And you're a Kool-Aid drinking idiot

Obama is NOT perfect, he's a human being who makes bad decisions, just like everyone else. People like Keith and Rachel aren't there to say, "Golly gee, isn't our new President perfect?" They report on the issues, and when Obama screws up (as he does now and again), they're going to say so.

Expecting anything else is expecting MSNBC to be Fox News for the Left.

If you disagree with what they're saying at MSNBC, that's a valid opinion. Calling someone like Keith Olbermann a right-winger is nothing short of delusional.

From the day Obama was elected, Olbermann said that he would take Obama to task if/when he felt the need to do so. Unlike Obama, Keith Olbermann has actually lived up to at least ONE of the promises he made in 2008.

[donco6]

70. LOL! Complete with mispellings even.

Although I had to look hard to tell it apart from most of the posts on this thread.

[jgraz]

57. Projection, thy name is zulchzulu

ETA: N/T

[LittleClarkie]

77. Was he a stooge when he went after Bush?

Or are you only offended when he goes after people you happen to like?

[zulchzulu]

79. No. Actually Olbermann was pretty good when attacking Republicans

It's when he thinks that Obama has had enough time to change the World's Wose in less than five months that I have a real problem with him.

If it was constructive criticism (like what Stewart does, for instance), then I have zero problems with it. I know Obama isn't perfect and I have some problems with some of his actions so far. But to say he hasn't done enough in five months is just plain sloppy whining.

I guess I should like EVERYTHING Olbermann says because he plays a Democrat on TV... even when he sounds like a Teabagger...

:eyes:

[LittleClarkie]

83. No, I didn't say that.

So he's okay when you agree, and a clueless stooge when you do not. Can't have it both ways. You don't have to agree with him. But bashing him for displeasing you is rather over the mark.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

22. Maybe if you turned Olbermann off

your screenname wouldn't be angee_is_mad. But I guess you are taking pleasure in throwing one of the few progressive voices on television under the bus.

[angee_is_mad]

38. Yeah, I'm just GIDDY

with joy:sarcasm:

Speaking of your friend turley, where has he been hiding lately?

[spiritual_gunfighter]

74. Hiding from you obviously n/t

[Top Cat]

34. KO can kiss my ASS... I hope he's not becoming one of them

[Berry Cool]

45. Oh, give me a friggin' break, people.

Olbermann is doing his JOB...which is to be a WATCHDOG on power, not a CHEERLEADER.

The rules didn't change just because now it's our guy in there instead of theirs. He said they weren't going to. Seems some people weren't listening when he was asked several times last year "What are you going to do if a Dem wins?" and he said "The same as I have been doing."

He hasn't changed. And I don't think what he's said so far in criticism is way out of proportion to the situation at hand. He didn't say "Obama sucks, he hasn't done shit, let's pull him now." He simply pointed out the discrepancies--thus far--between what Obama said he would do and what he has actually done. Again, SO FAR. That's ALL. And for that, some people want to throw him under the bus.

And the irony of all this? His enemies STILL think he's an uncritical Obama-worshiper.

So he can't win for losing.

It's pretty sad to see all the people here who wanted and expected KO to be a cheerleader for "our side" rather than a person devoted to reporting the truth as he sees it.

David Shuster had this same problem once, from the other end. He used to work at Fox during the Clinton administration, and thought it was great because he got to be critical of the president. Then there was a new president, and suddenly he wasn't supposed to be critical anymore. He was supposed to shut up and sing in the choir of praise. He quit and went to MSNBC.

I don't know what some people want of people like these, and Rachel, and Ed. They're not gonna agree with you all the time. Sometimes they will not care about what you care about and will care too much about what you don't think is a big deal. The fact that they don't reflect your pure ideology back at you doesn't make them traitors, or stooges, or corporate whores. It just makes them PEOPLE, trying to do the best job they can.

[AlexanderProgressive]

41. Can anyone at least try to post what KO said?

Jeez.

[QC]

46. That would merely compound the blasphemy. n/t

[ruggerson]

52. He had a polite interview with the head of the HRC, who was being overly diplomatic

and then he asked Richard Wolffe about the DOJ writing a rather over the top brief one day in DEFENSE of DOMA and then Obama, on the other hand reiterating his desire to GET RID of DOMA a few days later.

Wolffe pointed out the legal and political differences and ramifications of the two events and concluded by saying that although this WH is cautious about treading into what they perceive as hot button cultural issues right off the bat, Obama is sensitive to the argument that he be held to his campaign promises. Wolffe says this is also a WH that actually listens and responds to public pressure. Wolffe concluded by saying the way progress will be made is if people keep holding the administration accountable on these issues.

[QC]

55. Gee. that sounds really brutal. n/t

[ruggerson]

59. let's just say it wasn't WWF

[donco6]

69. So, to GD:P that means, let's leave Obama alone, 'K?

This forum has completely lost its marbles.

[sniffa]

76. Frothing at the mouth lost its marbles

[dorkulon]

47. And now KO goes under the bus.

You folks are really something.

[QC]

48. Soon it will be time to purchase another Hopemobile.

No more room left under this one.

[donco6]

68. I'm tellin' ya, there's gonna be no one left to vote off the island.

At this rate, anyway.

[unhappycamper30]

75. Leaves more room for puppies!

I never thought I would see the day that Keith, Rachel, and Bill would be thrown under the bus. Bizarro Land indeed.

[SeattleGirl]

49. Okay, I just watched it, and I really didn't get that he was trying

to make his guest say anything in particular. He was asking questions, which is what you do when you interview someone. But again, I did not get that he was trying to manipulate the guy.

[vaberella]

51. Whatever...They eat crow in the end. n/t

[ecstatic]

56. Even though it was always said in a joking and hypothetical manner

We all knew Pres. Obama would be held to higher (impossible?) standards compared to any other president in the history of this country. Frankly, I'm surprised they waited even 5 months before going on the attack. KO, who didn't even vote. What a joke!

[lbrtbell]

65. Well, at least he won't be feeling any buyer's remorse

Unlike people like me, who voted AND volunteered, only to see Bush policies continued and watered-down "bipartisan compromises" that benefit big business.

I didn't vote for a personality to worship, I voted for change. But there seems to be a lot of business as usual in Washington, where the "D.C." stands for "don't care". :(

[kjackson227]

82. He's been in office for what, six months, and people expect

him to work miracles. This man is trying to keep us safe, give us healthcare which will BANKRUPT ALL OF US (the haters and lovers of President Obama) in the next 5 or so years if healthcare reform isn't passed, and all a lot of us do is whine, whine, whine every chance we get if our personal pet agenda isn't addressed fast enough.

[sniffa]

84. Ah, two strawmen in one

Speed is the issue and not the direction, and that no one is doing anything but whine.

[Name removed]

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[sniffa]

87. oO:

oO:

[uppityperson]

88. search