No doubt the GOP is coordinating some plan to win in 2012!

[KansasVoter]

These speeches by Newt and Palin are not just off the cuff remarks.

They are a plan by the GOP to win in 2012.

And total panic that the economy is getting better and that the polls show a 60% approval rate for Obama.

Plan on hearing a lot more from the GOP about...

"Obama is a failure"
"We Told You So!!"
"Socialism"
"Nationalizing the banks, gm, health care, etc"

They are desperate folks. Obama is kicking ass and they know it. And desperate animals deserved to be feared.

Palin is dumb as a post and newt is a total asshole.

I hope they are running mates in 2012.

[tridim]

1. This morning I heard that Obama has failed because 6 million jobs haven't yet been created.

From another potential candidate Eric Cantor.

These guys are almost as bad as some DU'ers lately. :)

[T Wolf]

2. Unless Obama is a total success and reverses the economy, ends the wars, and has the US

in a new "golden age" by 2012, he will have a difficult, if not impossible task, to win re-election.

He is gambling on having a near-perfect record to run on to appeal to the "middle" and right to offset the disappointment from the left.

[babylonsister]

4. You don't know that. I think it greatly depends on what rocket

scientist the rethugs nominate to run. I don't see anyone on the horizon who'd be more impressive than the man we currently have.

[T Wolf]

11. Who runs on the enemy ticket does matter - if the pukes had not had such a weak

pair last time, the outcome could have been different.

I don't think the Dems should base their strategy on the pukes putting up an even-weaker pair. "My" party seems to have forgotten how to operate from a position of strength. They are all about compromising with the enemy in order to hold onto power.

But what good is power if it is not used to achieve positive results?

But maybe they are achieving the exact results they want...

[babylonsister]

13. And I don't think that's what they're basing their strategy on.

Maybe currently they're too busy to worry about it? The man has been president since January. I personally hope he continues to try to straighten out the godawful mess he was left rather than to go into campaign mode. The rethugs have that luxury since they obviously aren't interested in contributing ideas to fix the mess; we don't.

[Cary]

14. "Compromising with the enemy" strikes me as dysfunctional

We have a whole spectrum of political thought. Our fellow citizens are not really our enemies. Negotiating with our fellow citizens is an art. Negotiating with our fellow citizens and building coalitions is a necessity, intentionally designed into our system.

I could be wrong but Republicans are dead in the water because a critical number of them are thinking dysfunctionally and eschewing what they call "compromising with the enemy." Their "enemy" is us, of course.

I really hate seeing this kind of thing here.

[T Wolf]

20. YOu may want to compromise with the MIC, bigots, and corporate cretins, but I do not.

On many issues, there IS a right and wrong. Just because the other side believes that, e.g., polluting corporations should not be controlled, does not mean we should meet them half-way and allow them to only half-kill the environment.

I just do not understand that kind of thinking.

[Cary]

23. The art of negotiation isn't about "meeting them half way"

It's about being practical, realistic, and choosing your priorities and understanding that you're not going to get your way on absolutely everything.

There is another side to the argument about "polluting corporations." You need to understand that other side and deal with it if you expect to get anything done.

I would think you would look at the radical right and their current predicament and understand what I'm saying.

[Marsala]

5. Nonsense, all he has to do is be better than Bush

So the bar is set pretty damn low.

[Cary]

6. I think you overstate this case

You underestimate Obama and Axelrod.

And who is to be our savior from the "Obama scourge?" Mitt Romney? Sarah Palin?

BWAHAHAHAHAHA. I don't think so.

But that doesn't mean we should be complacent. I find it disturbing that a lot of the posters here echo some of the right's bullshit.

Repeat after me: we're doing fine and the Limbaugh-inspired doom and gloom is just more of their bullshit.

[Proud Liberal Dem]

9. Exactly!!!

WHO'S it going to be???? At the risk of seeming complacent and/or overconfident, unless the public turns on Obama rather viciously between now and 2012 because of.......well......*something*, I just can't see the GOP getting themselves together to front a viable candidate for POTUS but I can't even imagine who that would be. Palin? Romney? Cheney? (Jeb) Bush? Jindal? GINGRICH???? 2010 will be a good indicator for how 2012 might shape up but, at the moment, things aren't quite looking very rosy for them then either.

[RDANGELO]

8. As long as people see things as heading in the right direction,

I think he will be ok. Peopls seem to have a lot of patience. They understand that he didn't create the mess.

[Clio the Leo]

10. The GOP's major problem is that Obama is just too darned likeable....

... it got Reagan re-elected ... it got Clinton re-elected .... it got Bush re-elected ... and it will get Obama re-elected.

And, with the possible exception of Reagan, he's WAY more likeable than those guys. When it comes down to it, that's who people vote for, the "beer" factor if you will.

It's why Palin is so popular with her base ..... we should be thankful she's as dumb as a box of rocks or she'd be an actual threat. (her base is as stupid as she is, so they cant see she has no hope.)

Add to that the fact that Barack Obama can talk his way out of any problem. He will verbally destroy anything the GOP has to offer in 2012 .. the only threat would be Newt and he's way too smarmy to be accepted by the middle.

[Thrill]

16. I've yet to see anyone the Republicans can run

that would be much of a challenge

[Cary]

3. Yes, I started a similar thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=8459418&mesg_id=8459418

I find it somewhat amusing that one of our esteemed libs saw fit to accuse me of being an ignorant asswipe.

[aquamarina]

7. If Obama has the political cajones to get single payer

healthcare for all Obama and the democrats would never lose another election. Why don't they see this?

[T Wolf]

12. I suspect that they do not really want that (single-payer healthcare). They think they can

continue to win by being more conservative. Maybe they are correct.

But winning should not be the goal - making progressive change should be.

[aquamarina]

15. I agree with you that making progressive change should be

the goal. However, and let's face it, for most politicians political survival is goal numbero uno. Also has been and always will be.

[RaleighNCDUer]

18. Making progressive change IS the goal -

a goal which cannot be attained if you LOSE.

[T Wolf]

21. ANd, evidently, even when you "win." nt

[Cary]

24. Strategy

So many people don't understand how critical it is. Thankfully Barack Obama is not one of them.

[Thrill]

17. Oh please. Every time Obama takes progressive stances the Democrats leave him out

there hanging by the balls.

They let the Republicans dominate the airwaves. They don't defend Obama or back him up on this type of stuff. So Obama knows better. He knows what he has to deal with in Congress. Too bad people on this board can't.

I believe Obama is still out there the only one holding the close Gitmo flag. All by himself. After he released those CIA memos. Those cowards let the Republicans own the argument. You think Obama was going to do the same with the Photos? Not a chance.

Same thing with Single Payer healthcare.

[damntexdem]

19. Hmm, is a dogcatcher election coming up in Alabama in 2012?

Just looking for something they could win. ;-)

[PBS Poll-435]

22. I wish Palin/Newt/Jindal could all be on the same ticket.

:)