President Obama's Astrological Birth Chart

[keep_it_real]

The most striking thing about Barack Obama's chart is how much of it is over on the east side, and how it is so focused around the sixth and seventh houses.

His Sun in Leo means he has the ability to be flamboyant, optimistic and creative, and to crave and obtain attention. But his Sun falls just below the eastern horizon, in house 6, in Leo. This alone gives an indication of how he feels about himself.
All Sun Leos crave approbation as well as attention. Yet the 'otherness' that comes with this placement means he will spend a lifetime trying to live up to the expectations of others, and he will do this through sheer hard work (Sun in house 6). With Pluto in Virgo in his seventh house, this could especially apply to his feelings about his father, which would in itself create difficulties as he has an 'intercepted' eighth house which often indicates the absence of the birth father.
http://www.ukpsychics.com/barack_obama_birth_chart.html

[midnight]

1. The focus of most of his chart being on the east side is

an interesting subject. He is scheduled to go to the middle east soon. I don't know what all these houses and lines mean, but it does seem intriguing. Hopefully he can broker some peace.

[Matariki]

15. You mean the WEST side?

The right side - 6th & 7th houses?

[I Have A Dream]

38. Yeah, that gets confusing.

To avoid that confusion, I say left and right sides rather than east and west sides (even if these are not the correct astrological terms). :D

[C_U_L8R]

2. hooray for lefty leos :-)))

[Patsy Stone]

5. Yeah!

:toast:

[Harry Monroe]

3. Ironic that your user name is keep_it_real

When astrology is pure bullshit.

[omega minimo]

4. says you

[Harry Monroe]

27. Yup, says me!

[spiritual_gunfighter]

8. Who are you to judge that

Astrology is the oldest of all organized belief systems. I am not sure how I personally feel about Astrology but I respect someone's right to believe in it. I think Christianity is complete bullshit mythology but I respect someone's right to believe in it if they wish. I guess I expect a little more from DU than blanket dismissal of someone elses belief system.

[Raine1967]

9. Thank you. eom.

[Hieronymus]

18. Excellent points.. n/t

[Harry Monroe]

25. OK,sure. Believe in it if you want. I can respect that.

But it is still hokum pseudoscience and bullshit. So why not respect Republicans who believe in its corrupt and now discredited policies and so called "conservatism"? And I will say the same thing about Republicanism. It is pure bullshit.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

26. How long have you studied Astrology? n/t

[otohara]

10. So You've Studied It?

it took me years of reading various books on the subject. Have you ever had your chart done? Do tell us what kind of research you did on the subject to come to this conclusion?

[Harry Monroe]

12. Ever heard of "precession of the equinoxes"?

My birthday is January 6. Due to the precession of the equinoxes, my sign should now be Sagittarius, not Capricorn. I've studied plenty of astronomy, a legitimate science. I guess you believe in tarot cards as well. Might as well base my life on rolls of the dice, quite literally, and assign events in my life based on random combinations that come up.

[cali]

17. I've had my chart done

hell, a friend of my dad's had one done for me shortly after my birth. Years later, a friend of mine who was a serious astrology student did my chart. Fun, but no, I don't believe there's much, if any, validity to it.

[Harry Monroe]

24. I subscribe to 2 newspapers and my horoscope in each is never identical on any given day

Why is that? Total hokum pseudoscience.

[spiritual_gunfighter]

29. Newspaper astrology and the serious study of it

is like comparing St. Augustine to Jimmy Swaggart.

[Christa]

13. Thanks!

I could not believe my eyes when I saw the headline.

This is 2009 People! Keep it really real.

[RichGirl]

23. Bullshit is...

...when you click on a thread just to trash it!

Ignorance is to criticize something you know nothing about. That's you....

[The Hope Mobile]

35. Exactly!! Regardless of what you or I believe, it is not right to trash

the beliefs of others.

[Harry Monroe]

36. Not trashing it, just exposing it for the fraud it is.

Can you supply me with actual empirical evidence and facts that astrology should be taken seriously and be considered a science? Bueller, Bueller?? Anyone, Anyone??

[Harry Monroe]

53. Anyone, Anyone?? Still waiting for facts to back up this "pseudoscience"

Throw me a frickin' bone here!!

[KakistocracyHater]

87. the poster's astrological chart is off by a thousand years+

He is NOT a Leo, he is a Crab. The trouble is astrologers today are like Enron's accountants-still pretending that on March 21st the sun moves into the sign of the Ram.

As for your proof: you can time MOST cultures by looking at their major deity. The Golden Calf mentioned in the Bible implys the Age of Taurus. Hathor in Egypt reveals the Age of Taurus. Just like Aries= Age of the Ram, Ramses & various other names also reflect FACTUAL STAR/PLANET POSITIONS. Ever notice how obsessed people were about laws & rules, & how 7=lucky number?

Then we get into the 2 nasty fish with the balancing #6, demonized instead of honored like in the previous Age. Virgil is an easy guess for a pen-name in accordance with the Age. That large mosaic found in Israel recently of 2 fish-just coincidence? That story of Jesus with the bread & fish feeding I forget how many people....I say nasty fish because of the 12th House & what it reflects of its natural occupant.

So the only evidence I can give you concerning the impact of actually looking at the stars is this: the Bulls of Mesopotamia, the Tova/Hathor in Egypt & ALL those pieces of art depicting these deities, & India with their cows. Mostly every bit of culture is saturated with the 2 principle deities of their day. Their music, their architecture, their clothes, their plays...

Astro-theology, The Christ Conspiracy http://tinyurl.com/Christ-Conspi, Suns of God by the same author makes a far better case for it than me.
Medieval Art is rather tiresome for its' endless depictions of Jesus, Mary, & Joseph; very similar to statues of Isis holding a child.

[Harry Monroe]

89. I've always thought of astrologers as those people who claim to see the image of Jesus in

an oilstain in the parking lot or a mold growth on the wall. You see what you want to see. Kinda like a Rorschach test. No science in it whatsoever.

[The Hope Mobile]

61. That is your opinion and even though I'm not a believer/follower of astrology

I won't criticize it.

[Harry Monroe]

62. Still waiting for facts to back astrology up!! Anyone, Anyone??

[spiritual_gunfighter]

74. Please do the same for Christianity

and then we can compare notes.

[Bill McBlueState]

103. Why on earth would that be a requirement?

Person A: Prove your claim.

Person B: No, first, you have to prove some completely unrelated claim that you haven't even made.

In what world do conversations go like that? :shrug:

[spiritual_gunfighter]

107. Ka-boom n/t

[Baby Snooks]

100. Mercury retrograde....

But I'll let someone else explain it to you.

[Harry Monroe]

58. Um...don't we do that everyday here on DU?

Trash the beliefs of Republicans, I mean. I call bullshit.

[The Hope Mobile]

60. No. I don't trash their beliefs even though I disagree with them. I

think of them more as opinions. By beliefs I'm talking more about religion, the supernatural, whatever. I do, however, point out republican hypocrisy and talk about their crimes. You can call it whatever you want. I don't believe in badmouthing someone's beliefs.

[Harry Monroe]

63. Their beliefs deserve to be trashed. And just like astrology there are no facts to back up

what Republicans believe in. The last 8 years is ample evidence of that!!

[iamthebandfanman]

28. every modern religion is based off of it

so i guess youre right.

[omega minimo]

33. you mean astronomy

[rucky]

32. What's with the personal attack, Harry Monroe?

sometimes "keeping it real" isn't the way to do.

[Harry Monroe]

34. No "personal attack"

I just can't believe that in this day and age people still believe in it! If you can provide me with some empirical facts and evidence that astrology is legitimate, then I may be able to accept it as actual science. Otherwise astrology, like religion, is simply as Jesse Ventura put it "a crutch for the weak minded".

[pink-o]

41. I'll tell ya one fact: most Capricorns think Astrology is bullshit :-)

[Harry Monroe]

49. No, I'm Sagitarius actually.

If you take precession of the equinoxes into account. Then all astrological signs are off by one. Further proof that astrology is pure hokum and bullshit.

[Jennicut]

72. LOL. I guess that means my cusp is on another cusp then?

And I was confused before!

[Puzzler]

91. Monroe is correct...

... even if you were to take astrology as "fact", it would still be wrong because all of the so-called signs are now off by approximately one month. This is an astronomical fact.

[KakistocracyHater]

111. I am also Sag & I have only been able to show you the big pic

http://www.stumbleupon.com/tag/astrotheology/
http://paganizingfaithofyeshua.netfirms.com/astro_theology_sun_or_son_on_the_cross.htm
http://truthbeknown.com/
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5672009516679691710

El, the Bull of Heaven, Hathor, Cow-Eyed goddess, Venus associated with Mars, in South American cultures Venus is male & warlike. The names & statues are all there, timed roughly(couple hundred years different here & there)

What do you want?

Only deities astro signs mattered, then "kings" etc. Then the book called "book" forbids studying the stars. Sumerian astronomers WERE same as astrologers. PAPER astrologers of today are NOT like 2000 + years ago.

[Jennicut]

70. As a Sagi/Cap cusp I agree and now most philosophize over it endlessly

[me b zola]

73. Were you beat up by an astrologist as a child? Lashed with a birth chart?

Jeez, we get it. You hate astrology...to the point of sounding like a raving lunatic.

[Harry Monroe]

78. I don't hate astrology. I just think that any rational intelligent person would not put any stock

whatsoever in such nonsense. I'm thought people here at DU were more intelligent than this.

[KakistocracyHater]

112. you DO know that there is ZERO archaeological evidence of Biblical

events, locations, Solomon's treasure.........Obliquely, you are challenging religion itself, but at least not in a yuckety way.

[SidDithers]

37. Yeah, I kinda smiled at that irony too...

But it's still fun to laugh at the woo. :hi:

Sid

[Cleita]

44. So you have spoken with all the authority of

well nothing!

[sheila mae]

96. The shadow side of Capricorn

is utter materialism. Being an Earth sign, you are always acclimated to the world and its activities, but when not enlightened, Cap can be very grasping (greedy) and cynical, as well as overly skeptical.

But some of the great yogis, as well as martyrs like MLK were/are Caps, so just evolve more!

[slackmaster]

106. Harry Monroe is right

I believe we have a forum dedicated to religions and theology.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=214

[shifting_sands]

6. BS

Someone thinks astrology is bulls...? How much do you know about it? How many years have you studied the subject? Are there mistakes made? You bet! Not because the mathematical computations are wrong but like your body, it's perfect but mistakes are made because we don't always know what we are looking at, our understanding of the human body is limited and oft times our understanding of astrology is limited. When you've studied the subject for forty years with a sub-discipline of physics, come back and you will be at a level to debate.

[Me.]

7. There Are More Things In Heaven And Earth Horatio

Nothing is as it seems or as we were taught in the rather 'lacking in dimension" education most were/are given. Quantum physics describes a world such as we never dreamed of. Anything is possible is the lesson we should've learned after the last eight years led to that magic night when Obama was elected president.

[Cha]

39. Yes, astrology is there for

us to learn from but not all astrologers are the same.

Another one might see a completely different interpretation of President Obama's chart.

I've been reading a political astrologer on the net who predicted he would win since the primaries and her in depth detail of other political events, politicians, and world leaders are astoundingly accurate..written with her inimitable eloquence.

[Me.]

52. There Was One In 2004

That said * would win and that soon after hus admin would begin unraveling like a ball of yarn

[Harry Monroe]

56. Anyone with half a brain could have predicted that!

All the signs were there. And you did not need astrology to predict it!!

[Me.]

64. Oh Get A Grip

If you don't like the subject matter move on

[Harry Monroe]

71. Just sayin' is all!!

:shrug: And I have a firm grip on reality, unlike some.

[Me.]

75. What Are You, Twelve?

So some people believe something you don't! Well look around there's a lot of that going on. How about the theory that you can be in two places at the same time, or that the future is a message to the present, and what we live we create with our expectations and if it wasn't for my observation of your post it might not be there at all? Oh those silly quantum physicists. Their grip is on a different reality, which they think might actually be the real one.

[Harry Monroe]

76. No, I just think any rational person would not put any stock whatsoever in a discredited

pseudoscience such as astrology. Any intelligent person should know better.

[Harry Monroe]

77. And may I suggest that next time, this claptrap should be posted in the appropriate forum

there is a Astrology discussion group. GD-Presidential is not the appropriate venue for astrology, even if it does concern the President.

[Me.]

80. It Is Not Your Place To Suggest Anything Of That Nature

Being that you are not an admin or mod and sorry, we don't have self appointed hall monitors here.

[Harry Monroe]

81. Just a "suggestion" not a hall monitor.

Due to the subject matter, it would more appropriate there, In My Humble Opinion!!!

[sheila mae]

97. What are you afraid of?

And do you think life is just about birth, disease, old age and death? We are more than flesh beings; we have souls that are eternal!:woohoo:

[Bill McBlueState]

104. Right, Obama was just magically elected.

Way to trash the millions of people who, you know, actually ran a good campaign.

[Harry Monroe]

54. If you have a sub discipline of physics then perhaps you can provide me with some empirical proof

and facts that astrology is legitimate? I'm waiting!

[truedelphi]

11. It is interesting that his Mercury in Leo squares his Neptune

In Scorpio.

He's mesmerizing when he speaks to the Public, so I was expecting a trine between those two.

[zippy890]

14. THAT'S FAKE JUST LIKE HIS BIRTH CERTIFICATE!!11!11

HOW ABOUT A CHART FOR SOMEONE BORN IN KENYA!! HMMM? HA!

sorry couldn't help it

:rofl:

[Forkboy]

16. "I'm going upstairs now to finish painting my astrological star chart,"

[DangerousRhythm]

20. Haha, Neil = WIN

:thumbsup:

[grace0418]

84. Neil? Have you just farted?

Well there's a horrible farty smell in here and it certainly isn't from my bottom!

[DangerousRhythm]

115. ROFL!

Such a great show. You just reminded me I have a Young Ones shirt on the way, in the mail! :rofl:

[madmom]

19. This is rich, a country that

believes in a mythical story about burning bushes and parting seas and the like says astrology as fake!:rofl:

[RandomKoolzip]

21. They're both bullshit.

And I say this as a dude who used to REALLY be into astrology, to the point of spending hundreds of bucks on readings and books and such. I used to smoke a lot of pot back then.

The position of the stars in the sky has no bearing on human behavior, especially considering how vast the universe is and how the the universe doesn't give a shit about where the earth is in relation to it. Does anyone REALLY think that Pluto's position in OUR night sky affects how we behave? I'm sorry, but's fuckin' nuts. How horrible a life that must be, being a puppet of some distant planet, subject to that planet's every whim. Remember, people, astrology was made up a couple thousand years ago, when humans had no understanding of science, psychology, etc. and many cultures still practiced human sacrifice. Basically, astrology is some ancient dude's attempt at understanding the world around him by makin' shit up. And like David Cross says, it dates to a time when people were even stupider than they are today. It's (long past) time to leave ALL that shit in the dark ages where it belongs (where it can sit next to religion, festering).

THen again, it'd be JUST LIKE a Pisces with a Gemini moon AND ascendent to say that.:eyes:

[Harry Monroe]

30. The position of the stars and planets determining my fate are about as relevant...

...as toilet paper and the U.S.S. Enterprise. They both circle Uranus looking for Klingons.

[Harry Monroe]

31. Astrology was made up a couple of thousand years ago as you said

And there has been no correction for the precession of the equinoxes of the Earth's axis. The first point of Aries should now be called the first point of Pieces. If you must believe in such bullshit, at least correct for it. Your astrological sign is now actually the previous sign. For example, I was born January 6, so now I am actually Sagitarrius! I can also read 10 newspapers and each one will forecast a different thing for me that day.

[KittyWampus]

45. if you're going to trash something then at least know what you're talking about. Vedic astrology

does in fact recognize the precession through the zodiac.

[Harry Monroe]

50. Which makes it somehow legitimate? The positions of the stars and planets at the time of my birth

...determine my fate? Still sounds like bullshit to me.

[Arugula Latte]

65. I know .. what a hoot!

I also like how these mainstream-to-fundy Christians will accept all the stuff about Jesus being born from a virgin, dying and then coming back to save us all, yes, that makes perfect sense, but then find the Mormon golden tablet story just absolutely ridiculous. :rofl:

[Phx_Dem]

22. I enjoy the indepth astrological readings, so thanks for posting this!

[Cha]

42. Just remember there's

more than one way to interpret a person's birth chart and this one isn't the end all.

There were astrologers before the election who predicted mccain would win and way back that Hillary would.

The interpretation is only as good as the astrologer.:)

[Harry Monroe]

55. I could go to 10 different psychics or palm readers and get 10 different results also.

Get real!!

[Cha]

79. Don't try to push your

ignorance off on me.

[Harry Monroe]

82. Ignorance?? The irony of that remark is so thick, you could cut it with a knife!!

[Me.]

83. Hey There Cha

Don't you just love that this thread has survived over the course of 2 days, has over 1800 views and is still getting kicked to the top. Oh the irony. :rofl:

[Cha]

88. Yeah...and I'm about to

:kick: it again! It always happens with these "astrology" threads..they're the ones who enjoy discussing it and the naysayers who vehemently demand "it's an IMPOSSIBILITY".

Their ignorance will not be Denied! grr.

[Bill McBlueState]

105. train wrecks get a lot of attention, too n/t

[Me.]

110. Perhaps You Need Another Look As There Are No Trains Coming Down The Track

:kick:

[WritingIsMyReligion]

40. The most striking thing about his chart is how full of baloney it is.

Just like every other astrological chart ever devised.

21st century, people, it's the 21st century.

[Harry Monroe]

51. Thank you.

I can't believe people still believe in this garbage. About as believable as the Republican Party!!

[scheming daemons]

67. +10

[BR_Parkway]

43. How do they know when he was born since he won't produce his birth

certificate - or else everyone wouldn't be suing over it..




















I can't believe I even have to add this tag - :sarcasm:

[marshall]

46. Thanks for posting the chart

I used to be really into astrology--didn't think much about it until I started studying it. I took some classes in it and did charts on ten to fifteen family and friends that I know well. It was pretty amazing.

Sorry that in this age of diversity and purported acceptance some feel the need to horn in and inject inject their ridicule. That sort of thing got old when I entered junior high.

[AlexanderProgressive]

47. Bill Clinton was a Leo too

And Napoleon, and Fidel.

[Jennicut]

69. And my Dad. A bossy Leo, nothing worse then that. LOL

He was born in August though so he is much different then Obama's Leo.

[Beaverhausen]

86. I think I read somewhere that there are more Leos who became president than any other sign

I think there was only one Cancer (my sign) and that was Dubya. Dang.

oops- I was completely wrong

http://www.infoplease.com/askeds/zodiac-signs-presidents.html

The Question:
What zodiac sign have the most presidents been born under?

The Answer:
It is a tie.

There have been five Scorpio (Oct. 23-Nov. 21) presidents:

John Adams
James Garfield
Warren G. Harding
James K. Polk
Theodore Roosevelt

And there have been five Aquarius (Jan. 20 to Feb. 18) presidents:

William H. Harrison
Abraham Lincoln
William McKinley
Ronald Reagan
Franklin D. Roosevelt

Second place is also a tie. Four presidents were born under each of these signs: Taurus, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn, and Pisces.

At least one president has been born under every sign, but the country went without a Gemini president for more than 180 years before John F. Kennedy was elected in 1960.

[sheila mae]

95. Leos typically make great leaders...Of course, there are many planets and placements in one's chart

so you cannot go by the Sun sign alone. That's why the newspaper columns are so off.

The shadow side of Leo is a craving for attention/applause. This shows up particularly in the Moon placement of Leo; the Attention Whore Syndrome. But there can be an undeniable charisma and ease in the spotlight, which I think Obama represents.

[AnnieBW]

99. Clinton was a TRIPLE Leo

Big Dawg hell. It should be more like Big (Tom)Cat with him. His Sun, Mercury, and Venus were all in Leo. No wonder he wanted to be loved, and was constantly in heat.

[joshcryer]

48. What the hell, Obama and I share the same birthday! How did I not know this!??!

[scheming daemons]

68. Does that mean you'll start to like him now?

[joshcryer]

114. Since when did I not like him?

...

[sofa king]

57. So, does that chart tell him when it's safe to travel.

I know that Nancy Reagan found such things useful.

[Political Heretic]

59. What century is this again? Try THIS CHART instead:

[msanthrope]

66. It Should Say KENYA, not Honolulu!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, channeling insane Freeper Birther Troll.

Nonsense to match nonsense, I guess...

[crikkett]

92. "Birther"

that's good. :thumbsup:

[slutticus]

85. East siiiiiiiiide

[demo dutch]

90. Problem is the time of birth is still unreliable

[Baby Snooks]

101. There was a birth certificate...

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/6/12/11012/6168/320/534616

We have to assume it was verified by someone although I question why the certificate number was blacked out. Other than that it does appear to be genuine. So far the "goody goody" predictions based on his chart don't seem to reflect the reality. So so far the predictions aren't really a good measure of the validity of astrology.

[sheila mae]

93. I see that he has Venus in Cancer in the 5th house

That shows his devotion to his daughters (Leo also rules the 5th and Leos are fond of kids). Just having that Venus placement makes him very attached to his wife, too.

[sheila mae]

94. Interesting that he has Aquarius rising: I believe the United States

also has that. It is the sign of the masses, as well as electronic media. He was the first President to YouTube his Saturday morning announcements (Dubya coulda done so 'cause YouTube was around at the end of his last term, but he chose not to.). Hmm...I wonder what having the Moon in the 4th would mean? I suppose that because the Moon represents the father and the 4th represents the childhood (as well as the unfinished crapola) that there is emotional stuff from that experience?

[Cha]

108. Obama has Aquarius Rising but

the US has Sag Rising in the chart done by the political astrologer I read.

The US' Moon is in Aquarius, though..

[AnnieBW]

98. What, it wasn't done for Nairobi, Kenya?

Instead of for Honolulu? That would really mess up the houses that way. Not to mention making the Birthers' heads explode. :evilgrin:

[Syntheto]

102. There is no god, no Easter Bunny, no Santa Claus, no Allah, and

there is no spirits or any other sort of supernatural entity that exercises controls over human beings or their affairs. So, it follows that the arrangement of balls of incandescent gas or rocks orbiting our own flaming gaseous ball wouldn't have any effect either. The only thing 'astrology' is good for is that it formed the basis of astronomy, and required the development of sophisticated mathematics. I will never let any sort of religious nonsense pass, whether it's primitive superstition or some sort of elaborate 'theology'. Oh, unless of course, it has good things to say about me. Anyway, how can people poo poo Christianity, Islam or Judaism, but have no problem with astrology or other 'Magick'? By Elvis, it's all part of the biggest scam ever put on humans; that there are 'chosen' ones among us, who, through actual contact with a non existent god, or by careful 'study' of the stars, have superior knowledge. What a crock!

[Baby Snooks]

109. But people DO talk to the dead...

http://www.texasthugs.com/_wsn/page2.html

Quote from Wassell v MONY
"MONY's counsel's time is not only excessive, but in at least some respects appears suspect. For example, on March 19, 1996, Shadow Sloan, a Vinson & Elkins associate billed time while in New York for "telephone conference with John McCole...." On its face, this entry seems reasonable; John McCole was the former manager of MONY's Scranton, Pennsylvania agency where Wassell worked as a sales manager. The problem with Ms. Sloan's time entry, however, is that John McCole died in 1994. The fact that Ms. Sloan is billing MONY for time on March 19, 1996 for "telephone conference" with a dead man at least raises curiosity regarding the veracity of MONY's counsel's bills."
____________________________________________________________________

And of course she's now a partner at V&E. The law firm that brought us Enron. And our latest US Trade Representative Ambassador Ron Kirk. The same law firm that represents Jon Huntsman's family business in their multi-billionaire dollar lawsuits that were filed when banks dared to not fund a merger. And who of course will be our next ambassador to China. No doubt with full approval of Kay Bailey Hutchison. Whose husband used to be a partner at V&E but is "of counsel" now - after Enron. You don't need a natal chart to connect those dots.

So you see people DO talk to the dead. Just ask Shadow Sloan.

[woo me with science]

113. This belongs in the woo forum. nt