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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 04:50 PM
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I am sure the NRA has plans to arm all of Chicago school children!
I am sure those idiots think that would solve the killings.

The NRA and their members are the same nuts who are causing the ammo shortage now.

They scare me a lot more than burglars do.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 05:08 PM
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1. WTF are you talking about?
Is this based on anything in the real world or is it just your fevered imagination?

Did you get some e-mail or letter from the NRA you'd like to share with the rest of us?

Didn't think so.

Besides Chicago and the entire county already has a total ban on handguns and require all gun owners in the state to have a state registered Firearm Owners ID card.

But since you're upset maybe we should just put all guns on double secret probation now to show them we really, really mean it. Will that make you feel better?


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KansasVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 05:13 PM
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2. Hey dumb ass, based on the insane stuff the NRA has done in the past!
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 05:21 PM
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3. OK Dickhead here's a bet for you - put some money where your big mouth is.
I'll contribute $25 to DU for every cite you can post where the NRA has actually suggested arming children, the insane or criminals.

Not where Sara Brady posted it or any other second hand crap. Actual examples of the "NRA insanity" you claim runs rampant. The NRA web site is public and they have a huge archive. I'm sure a brilliant keyboard commando like you will have no problem putting a "dumb ass" like me in the poor house.

Of course if you can't find any you pitch in $100 to DU.

Or just admit you are full of crap.

I'll settle for either one.
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ZombieHorde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 07:08 PM
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4. Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate
Straw man. This is the fallacy of refuting a caricatured or extreme version of somebody's argument, rather than the actual argument they've made. Often this fallacy involves putting words into somebody's mouth by saying they've made arguments they haven't actually made, in which case the straw man argument is a veiled version of argumentum ad logicam. One example of a straw man argument would be to say, "Mr. Jones thinks that capitalism is good because everybody earns whatever wealth they have, but this is clearly false because many people just inherit their fortunes," when in fact Mr. Jones had not made the "earnings" argument and had instead argued, say, that capitalism gives most people an incentive to work and save. The fact that some arguments made for a policy are wrong does not imply that the policy itself is wrong.

In debate, strategic use of a straw man can be very effective. A carefully constructed straw man can sometimes entice an unsuspecting opponent into defending a silly argument that he would not have tried to defend otherwise. But this strategy only works if the straw man is not too different from the arguments your opponent has actually made, because a really outrageous straw man will be recognized as just that. The best straw man is not, in fact, a fallacy at all, but simply a logical extension or amplification of an argument your opponent has made.

Slippery slope. A slippery slope argument is not always a fallacy. A slippery slope fallacy is an argument that says adopting one policy or taking one action will lead to a series of other policies or actions also being taken, without showing a causal connection between the advocated policy and the consequent policies. A popular example of the slippery slope fallacy is, "If we legalize marijuana, the next thing you know we'll legalize heroin, LSD, and crack cocaine." This slippery slope is a form of non sequitur, because no reason has been provided for why legalization of one thing leads to legalization of another. Tobacco and alcohol are currently legal, and yet other drugs have somehow remained illegal.

There are a variety of ways to turn a slippery slope fallacy into a valid (or at least plausible) argument. All you need to do is provide some reason why the adoption of one policy will lead to the adoption of another. For example, you could argue that legalizing marijuana would cause more people to consider the use of mind-altering drugs acceptable, and those people will support more permissive drug policies across the board. An alternative to the slippery slope argument is simply to point out that the principles espoused by your opposition imply the acceptability of certain other policies, so if we don't like those other policies, we should question whether we really buy those principles. For instance, if the proposing team argued for legalizing marijuana by saying, "individuals should be able to do whatever they want with their own bodies," the opposition could point out that that principle would also justify legalizing a variety of other drugs -- so if we don't support legalizing other drugs, then maybe we don't really believe in that principle.

http://www.csun.edu/~dgw61315/fallacies.html#Slippery%20slope">Logical Fallacies and the Art of Debate
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri May-08-09 07:11 PM
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5. It seems that a good many are already well armed
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applegrove Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 09:44 PM
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6. I'm sure it has actually crossed their minds to arm kids.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-11-09 08:45 AM
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7. Since many of the killers are school age
I don't think the NRA needs to get involved.
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DonP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue May-12-09 11:39 AM
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8. Four days and nothing?
So basically you were shooting your mouth off (pun intended) about something you knew nothing about?

You don't know crap about the NRA, what they do or what they propose and stand for except what you read someone else, who knows even less about it than you do, wrote in a post somewhere and you repeated because you wanted to sound just like the big kids.

Last year the NRA contributed roughly 10 times as much to Democrat campaigns at state and local levels than the Brady Gun Control Group. Their support for 2nd amendment supporting Dems has doubled for the last three years in a row. They are probably the single largest and most powerful lobby in congress, but brain trusts like you would rather posture and drive them away from our candidates.

I'd rather actually know what they propose and stand for and see if we can attract more support from them in each election. They have over 4 million active, dues paying members. The Brady Group stopped publishing their paid membership when it dropped below 20,000 five years ago.

Thanks for showing everyone what your level of insight and knowledge is.

Are you going to write that $100 check to DU today, or do you need to wait until payday?

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