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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:29 PM
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Thoughts on the subject(s) of Souter's replacement...
First and foremost, regardless of whom is selected, some people will be happy, some sad and some mad. Some will see the nominee as a Progressive, some will not, that is the way things inevitably go in the world of politics.

I don't know who the nominee will be, for that matter, neither does anyone else, although there are some "bets" going on and speculation is pretty rampant, the reality of the situation is, until the president makes a choice, we're all pretty well in the dark.

Now going by President Obama's temperament and his pretty darn good judgment, I am of the mind that his nominee will be pretty darn good. I don't know what gender, what racial background, what religion or anything else about the future nominee, and to be honest, I really find most of that superfluous, but that's just me. What I do know, is that the president will make this choice after serious thought and a thorough screening. President Obama is not a bush or other idiot, he is an intelligent man that knows that a USSC Justice is an important job and his choice will be made with that as a primary consideration. The president knows this is about the future, and will keep that as one criteria in his selection.

Speculation is fine, but it must be understood that speculation can also be a double edged sword. Firing up people ensures that there will be discontent and flamewars in the future. I am willing to wait for the president to make his choice and then do a little research to find out the judicial temperament of the nominee. History has shown that even the most "obvious" potential nominee is often sidelined and some "obscure" jurist is placed into the process. My bet is, this will be the situation. We shall see.

The main thing about this post though is, we should all get a voice in whom we'd like to see nominated, but I have serious doubts as to whether the membership at DU will have much of an affect. Something tells me, we will all most likely be surprised at the nominee when we hear the name. As I started this thread, some will be happy, some will be sad and some will be mad...let's keep that in perspective as we discuss this.

Thank you for taking the time to read this.

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 07:34 PM
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1. Spot On! n/t
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:31 PM
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2. Aw, the speculation is so fun. You have all these ridiculously qualified people and you try to
figure out which one has the best temperament, or most exquisite sense of justice.
And then that person becomes one of the most powerful people in the world.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:38 PM
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3. Unfortunately...I recall when ghwb said Clarence Thomas was...
"the most qualified to be a USSC Justice". Many, including me laughed, and then, as it became apparent his nomination would go through...I shuddered.

Speculation is fun...so are fireworks...until something goes wrong... :D

:hi:
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:49 PM
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4. Well, the other thing you could argue is, Obama expects Congress to advise as well as consent
Just because Bush ignored that advice doesn't mean Obama will.I think he'll eoncourage it.
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat May-02-09 10:51 PM
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5. As do I...
Obama is light years ahead of bush on many aspects...certainly his intellect stands in amazing contrast to bush... :D
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 11:55 AM
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6. "Firing up people ensures that there will be discontent and flamewars in the future."
Edited on Sun May-03-09 12:11 PM by ClarkUSA
Past is prologue: You've succinctly described the standard MO when it comes to any of Pres. Obama's major decisions, although
this decision will be in another category of "major" altogether. I'd rather not indulge in idle speculation, given none of us have
any say right now. Like you and many others around here, I trust Pres. Obama to pick the right person for the job and am not
interested in setting up GDP for a fall.


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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 02:21 PM
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12. having a say
All of us always have a say.

Trusting or no trusting Obama may be an issue for you, but is not necessarily an issue for others.

People are free to speculate, idly or otherwise, and I don't agree that this is causing trouble and that people should refrain from doing that.


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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:08 PM
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7. I agree. It ain't like this will be his only chance of picking a new Justice.....
Folks should not act as though he's got to fulfill all of the requirements they are designating with this one pick. Doing so is rather foolish, IMO.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:37 PM
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:44 PM
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9. Sounds like a plan.
Specifically, it sounds like a FAIR plan. It opens the field to maximum practical consideration and praises the president who will make the choice.

Recommended.


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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 12:57 PM
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10. Also I like the notion that when President Obama walks up to the mike to
introduce his appointee, he does so as the "new" president, the "vigorous" president, the "with-it" president, a man 2/3rds of voters feel is taking their country in the right direction.

They think he is intelligent and they like him.

The no-no nitwits in the Senate will be hard-pressed to reject Obama's choice for Souter's replacement.


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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 01:09 PM
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11. Exactly!
:thumbsup:
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 02:50 PM
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13. Very sensible post
thanks.
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Honeycombe8 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 03:31 PM
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14. What? A common sense thought on the subject? You don't think The Boss should be the nominee?
Or Alec Baldwin?

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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 03:52 PM
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15. I'm pretty DU jaded, but I didnt see this post about civility going downhill so fast
Edited on Sun May-03-09 04:16 PM by Uzybone
wow. Asking for civility sure riles up the uncivil.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 04:14 PM
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17. objection
I have posted in disagreement with the OP. I have not been uncivil on this thread, let alone should I be described as being an uncivil person. I strongly object to all who may disagree with the OP being described as uncivil people.

I also disagree that the OP was asking for civility. The OP is saying that if those who disagree with his point of view would be quiet, then there would be peace, and that if they don't they will be to blame for any subsequent lack of civility.


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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:51 PM
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24. It sure as hell does.
Asking for civility sure riles up the uncivil.

And so many here are sick of it. Fucking sick of it.
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Vanje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 05:01 PM
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19. Obama should reach across the aisle
maybe select Pastor Rick Warren.
Or Pat Buchannan.
This will keep a dialog going with the other side of America, and keep the country unified, .....(except for the gays.....and maybe a few of the Jews, and some foreigners. But there are'nt that many gays and Jews, except in a couple of big cities, so politically, it'll be a really good move. Be assured, doubters, Obama has done the math.
There just are'nt that many gays and jews, and besides, Obama is really going to deliver on the gay rights stuff, You bet. just not right away.
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Jamastiene Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 06:50 PM
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20. Your OP might not have been flame bait had you not added this sentence:
"Firing up people ensures that there will be discontent and flamewars in the future."

That sentence is technically correct, though, as you have demonstrated with your OP. As it stands right now, you might as well have fired the first shots at Fort Sumpter with that post.

That is not an example of a post that inspires civility. It is an example of a divisive post that "ensures that there will be discontent and flamewars."
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:13 PM
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:19 PM
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22. ras!


How are ya? :pals: :thumbsup:
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rasputin1952 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:41 PM
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23. Doing fine...
:hi:
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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:55 PM
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25. Yeah, well I'm still pulling for this gal.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:55 PM
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26. For the record, I deleted that sub-thread
Edited on Sun May-03-09 08:00 PM by Skinner
You all know that moderators do not make policy. Furthermore, you don't even listen when I make DU policy. So let's stop pretending that this utterly non-offensive OP has taken away your free speech or whatever.

Now, for some reason, a small number of people are going to a substantial amount of effort trying to twist this OP into something it isn't, and I'm wondering why exactly they would go to the time and trouble to do that. But whatever the reason, it's made me decide to dust off this rule:

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Number23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 07:58 PM
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27. Ka-pow!!
:nuke:

:thumbsup:
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 08:01 PM
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28. +1 n/t
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 09:57 PM
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33. +2
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Grateful for Hope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 08:15 PM
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29. Thank you, Skinner. n/t
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 08:30 PM
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30. Wow.
Just wow.
I love the last sentence especially. :D
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Danger Mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-03-09 08:32 PM
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31. This uh...this thread seems to have gone poorly.
For what it's worth, I agree with your post, buuut...
well...
I could've predicted that some people would twist your words to infer a meaning that's not there.
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ClarkUSA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon May-04-09 02:19 PM
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36. I hope the wisdom in this very reasonable OP is not ignored in the months to come.


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tbyg52 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 03:12 PM
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37. I don't care whether I have any "affect" or not and I don't care if I'm a "double-edged sword."
I just don't like being told to shut up.
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Two Americas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 04:17 PM
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38. heh
A discussion without any annoying and distracting discussion cluttering things up.
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cooolandrew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-10-09 07:51 PM
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39. I think your assessment is spot on there. n/t
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