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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 07:50 AM Original message |
DWT: Kirsten Gillibrand Choice Exposes How Weak And Unqualified David Paterson Is To Be Governor |
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K Gardner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 07:55 AM Response to Original message |
1. I've been working and not able to keep up with news the past few days. Was hoping that was rumor.. |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 01:34 PM Response to Reply #1 |
26. It's not rumor, but it is full of crap. |
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marshall (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:18 PM Response to Reply #26 |
63. That's "some facts" not "the facts" |
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nradisic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 08:28 AM Response to Original message |
2. Agreed... |
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connecticut yankee (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 08:41 AM Response to Original message |
3. Apparently |
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terisan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
4. Obama voted for Fisa 2008 and also voted for war funding-maybe she should be president |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
5. DWT exposes how weak and unqualified they are as bloggers |
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Paladin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 10:16 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. "Why Bitch And Moan About The Democratic Party"? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 10:25 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Very serious |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. Your hatred for progressive bloggers/progressive causes is duly noted. Again. |
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mvd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #31 |
37. The Democratic Party has always had a liberal wing |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. Amen. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. And DLCers would not win without the progressive left. |
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Aloha Spirit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:09 PM Response to Reply #31 |
48. I agree that nothing is wrong with being like me, a liberal, however I dispute the classification of |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. I am only using the argument that DLCers used as a reason that Obama couldn't win the GE. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:14 PM Response to Reply #31 |
49. your hypocrisy is duly noted |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Some "progressives" wink, wink here at DU sound a lot like Bush |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. that's the truth |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
58. If plain speaking is hypocrisy, then black is white in your world, too. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. ha ha... you haven't been paying attention |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:07 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. I have paid very close attention. That's why I backed the winner in the presidential contest. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:16 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. still repeating that Limbaugh/Hannity lie about "most liberal senator?" |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I wouldn't know; I don't listen to them. I heard it from anti-Obama DLCers ad nauseum, though. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:24 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. link to them saying that? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Sorry, but I have no interest in rehashing the primaries in detail. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:30 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. translation: you don't have one |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:37 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. No. As I said, if you're so interested, go check DU Archives for the usual suspects . |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:40 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. nah, you throw out some erroneous claim then refer to vague media and DU "archives." |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:46 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. lol! You're won't check my sources because you know I'm right. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:47 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. well, if you'll actually GIVE sources instead of vague "archive" references! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:54 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Um, those are sources. I won't waste my time on you further than that, since you hate progressives. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:56 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. um, no they're not. They're vague references to things that may not even exist |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Keep spinning those wheels. Face it, your hatred for progressives makes you an odd man out. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:20 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. LOL! you suddenly found time. Did you spend it looking for links to prove yourself? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:27 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. That's your job. But you know what I say is true which is why you won't check my sources. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:29 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. the burden of proof is on you. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:33 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. I gave you a treasure trove of sourcing; now you go dig through the anti-Obama DLC muck. I won't. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:36 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. if by "treasure trove" you mean "MSNBC and DU archives" LOL! |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:55 PM Response to Reply #90 |
92. Yup, CNN, too. Plenty of DLCer anti-Obama "most liberal senator can't win the GE" utterances there. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:57 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. ok, give me a specific example... burden of proof is on you |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:59 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. You're very lazy and just want to argue. Do the work yourself, Great Hater of Progressive Bloggers. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:03 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. you've said that before. lol. And we know you have no links to share. |
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Binka (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:23 PM Response to Reply #94 |
100. OMFG you are arguing with THAT THING? |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:48 PM Response to Reply #64 |
96. you do understand, |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 06:52 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. I understand what you are saying. But it is more like this... |
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polmaven (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 07:29 PM Response to Reply #97 |
98. But look at the post to which I was responding, |
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ShortnFiery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:30 PM Response to Reply #58 |
101. Kudos ClarkUSA! |
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dionysus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 08:15 PM Response to Reply #49 |
99. can you tell us what it is about liberals you despise so? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #13 |
71. The NRA was a different organization before the Cincinnati Revolt in 1977 |
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SuperTrouper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
6. Yesterday I posted that I got a very bad vibe about Gillibrand and I am still |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:59 PM Response to Reply #6 |
18. So did you pause before voting for the Spitzer/Paterson ticket? |
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SuperTrouper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
43. Yep, Governor Rell has not been that bad for a Republican. Unfortunately we have not had many |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 01:29 PM Response to Reply #6 |
25. This "report" is full of bullshit and lies. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #6 |
38. Take the post with a grain of salt, they are saying things their links don't support |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:12 AM Response to Original message |
7. BWAHAHA! |
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Tutonic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
8. Haaaa! Now Paterson hs Cuomo to fend off for Governorship. And |
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SuperTrouper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:29 AM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I think that RFK, Jr. may end up challenging Gillibrand and Cuomo will go |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:54 PM Response to Reply #9 |
16. Good |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:31 AM Response to Original message |
10. Somebody needs to remind him who won the Dem primary. |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
19. For the Senate seat or the Governorship? nt |
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HelenWheels (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 09:36 AM Response to Original message |
11. Limpballs likes her |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
14. She looked and sounded like she was accepting the presidency of her 8th grade class. |
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SuperTrouper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
44. Very true. She was not Palinesque, but she indeed was Quaylesque |
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Robeson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:18 PM Response to Reply #14 |
51. I agree. I wasn't impressed... |
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Me. (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:53 PM Response to Original message |
15. To Get Blue America & Move-On Support |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 01:01 PM Response to Reply #15 |
20. proves what a deceitful opportunist she is. |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 12:58 PM Response to Original message |
17. It has shown that he had the strength to stand up to the most powerful political family in the US |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 01:02 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. and another big political family (Cuomos). nt |
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bottomtheweaver (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 01:07 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. The Bushlers? The Kennedys are about the only family |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. and effectively kowtowing to another powerful political family instead |
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TheWraith (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
24. Whoever wrote that blog doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. |
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FLAprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 01:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. yes....you can use a little diamond to determine that she's "more liberal" than HRC |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 01:40 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Better than pulling an opinion out of your ass |
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psquare (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
29. Folks, you're just seeing the "tip of the iceberg" here |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:23 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Thanks for the background |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:24 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. good summary. nt |
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SuperTrouper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:02 PM Response to Reply #29 |
45. Thanks. I am on record saying that I will give Gilli a chance, although I am not |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #45 |
102. I would have liked Mario Cuomo or Hinchey. nt |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
30. Good job to everyone who helped tank Caroline |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:26 PM Response to Reply #30 |
34. And why is Caroline the best choice of all other NY Dems? Caroline & her handlers tanked themselves. |
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LittleBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:33 PM Response to Reply #34 |
35. It doesn't matter now. |
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SuperTrouper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #34 |
46. As much as I like Caroline, she was not ready, not yet, for now.. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
36. Your link to "sickeningly reactionary record" says nothing of the sort |
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Muttocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:46 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. so is Kucinich now a corporate dude too? sigh. nt |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 02:56 PM Response to Original message |
42. It's smarter than a choice based solely on celebrity and nostalgia. |
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CreekDog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:07 PM Response to Original message |
47. I'm realizing now that you will be working to defeat two Democrats in New York |
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Still Sensible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:30 PM Response to Original message |
53. Personally I think this is bullshit |
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PBS Poll-435 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:37 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Exactly |
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Still Sensible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:46 PM Response to Reply #54 |
56. lol, I'd trade our Blue Dogs for her in |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 03:49 PM Response to Reply #53 |
57. Thank you for what you said in the body of your post. Excellent stuff! |
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Still Sensible (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:02 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. And thank you |
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samsingh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:24 PM Response to Original message |
65. i hope this is not true |
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SaveOurDemocracy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
74. Can't you find some Florida Democrat to focus your... |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
76. Gillibrand is being challenged in the 2010 Democratic primaries |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 04:56 PM Response to Original message |
77. Anybody who has shilled for Phillip Morris should be viewed with suspicion |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:03 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Like Al Gore? |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:06 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. Al Gore's family were tobacco farmers in the past |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:09 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. yes they were |
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Sebastian Doyle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #81 |
84. I'll let former President Gore speak for himself on that one |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:35 PM Response to Reply #84 |
89. sure, and here are the opening paragraph of the link you provided: |
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Lavender Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:24 PM Response to Reply #77 |
85. They were one of her law firm's clients years ago |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jan-24-09 05:40 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. what? "Progressives" are using right wing lines of attack against Democrats? |
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