Oscar De La Renta: Hillary Is "Very Prudish" About Showing Skin- Contd.

[Beacool]

We had a thread on this issue, but no pics until now.





http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=8094051

[Captain Hilts]

1. Why are women expected to "show skin" at formal events?

Why doesn't OdeL show skin at formal events?

Her dress at the re-opening of the Intrepid museum was a GREAT blue!

[Scout]

3. you can tell when it's a formal event ...

the women wear way less clothes than normal, and the men wear more clothes than normal.

eta: left out an important word!

[Captain Hilts]

8. I know. That's got to stop. Anyone got a link to the dress she wore to the INTREPID gala?

[Beacool]

18. Here you go.............

I think that she looked lovely in that gown.

:-)

[Captain Hilts]

21. GREAT color. They come with the breasts already in them and you can wear your own scanties...

because it's not made of slinky fabric.

[Beacool]

34. Yes, they do.

I still like to wear a bustier underneath, it gives more lift and flatters the neckline. Blue is a great color for her because it brings out her eyes. This gown is also youthful and playful. Last night's gown made her look like Queen Elizabeth.

;-)

[Metric System]

41. I was going to say last night's dress looks a little, um, matronly. It is a QE II style dress.

[Captain Hilts]

64. Liz is a stately 5'2". Hill isn't much taller. nt

[sandnsea]

24. Now that's a pretty dress n/t

[Occam Bandage]

25. That's a great dress. nt

[Barack_America]

31. Yeah, I didn't like that dress.

She wore it well, but the dress itself gave me 80's prom flashbacks.

I liked her Inaugural gown better.

Whatever, I'm content with being in the minority on this one.

[emilyg]

38. Lovely. Classy.

[SharonRB]

56. Much better than that grey brocade

[SemiCharmedQuark]

57. Now THAT is a dress. Who designed that one, Bea?

Thanks for the pics :hi:

[Beacool]

72. I don't know,

but I doubt that it was de la Renta..........

;)

[EmilyAnne]

70. No kidding! And Hillary, for the record, looked gorgeous.

[SharonRB]

2. Is that what she wore last night?

I don't like it. Makes her look very matronly.

[sandnsea]

7. I think Oscar de la Renta

has seen his time pass. Maybe it's his fault Laura has looked like crap for the last 8 years. I don't like that dress either, and I'm not a huge fan of Michelle's either, but it's 1,000 times better than that monstrosity.

[Baby Snooks]

29. By your designer you shall be known...

Apparently Hillary has discovered the "I have, therefore I am" joy of Oscar de le Renta. His clothes are not cheap. They convey "I have lots of money."

Are those crystals or diamonds hanging from her ears? If they're diamonds, they are conveying "I have lots and lots of money."

But then money is really what the Clintons have always been about.

[sandnsea]

33. Not anymore

They convey I am an old hag who puts pretense over substance.

[Beacool]

73. Not true!!!!!!!

The Clintons were the poorest couple to enter the WH in many decades. They were left in debt with over $2M owed in legal fees. They may have money now, mainly through their books and Bill's speeches, but they have never been about money.

x(

[SharonRB]

52. I wasn't wild about Michelle's when I first saw it last night.

It looked like a very, very pale yellow on my teevee and the fabric looked like an old chenille bedspread. The more I saw pictures of it in print with close-ups of the details, the more I liked it, but I'm still not really ga ga over it. The white is better than the yellow I thought it was. I would have liked it better without the shoulder thing and if it was a jewel tone. I really would have liked to see her wear a deep purple or a red. I didn't hate the dress, but I didn't love it. She looked beautiful in every other aspect. I just think something more form fitting, maybe with a train, would have been more flattering.

I did like Jill's gown right away, though.

[sandnsea]

58. I guess the white was symbolic

New beginnings or some such. Okay, fine I suppose. In that context, what she did with a white gown was rather incredible. The close-ups are very pretty. I don't like the one strap thing either, but I did see that same style at the Golden Globes so maybe it's just a hideousness that will have to be endured for a while.

She was probably going for the classic look this gown provided, that she wore in the Vogue photo shoot, which was absolutely stunning. I think it would have been better without that one shoulder strap, but it is popular so maybe it was right to appeal to younger people.

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[SharonRB]

53. Dupe

[Captain Hilts]

10. It doesn't make my socks go up and down either. I saw Brooks B had a woman's tux in the window...

yesterday.

What a relief that would be not to wear something form fitting to a formal event.

Something you could actually get into a bathroom stall.

[Radical Activist]

4. She looks fine.

I'll criticize Hillary over a lot of things but bashing her looks or telling a woman of her age to show more skin is offensive.

[Merlot]

22. Agreed.

[SharonRB]

54. I don't think she needed to show more skin

I just don't like the fabric, color or cut of that gown. Hillary looks great in bright colors and this grey makes her look washed out. I also think a softer fabric, like chiffon, is more flattering than this brocade, heavy-looking fabric.

[ronnykmarshall]

5. That's a very purdy outfit.

G' on Madam Secretary!

[sandnsea]

9. Oh ronny, come on

If you love her, you've got to tell her to get a new designer.

[Captain Hilts]

13. Now THAT's funny!

[jesus_of_suburbia]

82. I agree.. I love Hillary but that dress is hideous on her.

[Occam Bandage]

15. For a chair.

For a human...er...not so much.

[Captain Hilts]

27. Okay, that's funny too.

Someone once complimented Eleanor Roosevelt on some evening dress she was wearing and ER responded, "Ugh, I look like a sofa in this!" Such are the hazards of being a Big Girl in formal wear. Note of caution to Michelle.

[Occam Bandage]

6. On one hand, this is a silly topic for a thread.

On the other hand, that dress looks terrible.

[cali]

12. exactly. n/t

[question everything]

11. After what she has endured for 16 years now, is it any wonder?

All that people said about her, also here, on DU, was commenting about her hair, makeup, cleavage..

Even Carl Bernstein expressed his disdain to her - and he wrote a "tell all" book - because she has thick ankles.

:puke:

[Hieronymus]

51. I recall that she posed with Bill in a bathing suit .. guess she wasn't always shy.

[question everything]

62. She did not "pose"

They were vacationing, I think were dancing in bathing suits, and someone got a telephoto lens and snapped a photo. This was before the cell phones with built in cameras that are all around.

Also, she was 12 years, or so, younger.

[Taverner]

14. Well after all the media bashing her any time she didn't wear a pant suit is why

[Captain Hilts]

23. I think she left the black pants suits and Wayfarers in the WH closet because Laura Bush...

wore that ensemble even more than Hillary did.

[JitterbugPerfume]

16. That is one ugly dress!

It is a shame because Hillary is a very attractive woman.

[Merlot]

17. I think it's ok to criticize stars, actors, musicians, etc on their clothes and

appearance. That's why they get paid the big bucks, so people can rag on them. But we choose politicians for different reasons.

If you're expecting trend-setting, exciting clothes, there are better places to look than Washington DC.

As for Hillary, she looks exactly as I would expect a woman in her age and position to look. She's a professional woman. She's wearing appropriate clothes for the occasion. As for her looking matronly, well, not all women have Jill Bidens figure.

[Bucky]

19. What a refreshing change from the days when Kissinger was always flashing manboob for paparazzi

[endarkenment]

37. It was the balls hanging out of his shorts that stunned the fashion world

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

20. Wow that dress looks bad.

disappointing :(

[Beacool]

28. I agree.

The way de la Renta went on about it, I expected something more impressive. The gown looks stiff, matronly and makes her look older. I also wasn't wowed by Michelle's gown. I think that both women deserved better and are far better looking than the gowns they wore.

:(

[Cash_thatswhatiwant]

39. I didn't like Michelle's outfits either. I wanted something more modern or form fitting

for the inaugural because that dress looked like a curtain, just like Hillary's dress looks like it was made from a really old sofa.

The best looking females at the inauguration:



oh and jill biden looked pretty hot too!

[Captain Hilts]

68. 'Form-fitting' isn't comfortable and rarely is flattering on anyone over 40...

Now, did you think Michelle was wearing a bullet-proof vest under her outfit she wore walking down Penn. Ave?

She looked kinda bulky in the middle. I think she was and another friend thought the same thing.

[Barack_America]

26. Huh. It seems I'm in the minority who actually likes it.

I think that the detailing at the neckline really lights up her face, particularly in combination with those earrings. The cut of the dress also seems to flatter her figure.

Would I wear it? No. Is it matronly? Perhaps.

But Hillary seems to prefer and feel more comfortable in conservative clothing. And this dress is a smart choice for her. She looks confident. Would you all prefer to see her looking uncomfortable in something more daring and glamorous?

[Jim Sagle]

30. This thread ain't nuthin' but shit.

[Beacool]

36. Why so rude?

Oscar de la Renta went on and on about this gown. Therefore, I expected it to be a work of art and I was disappointed. It makes Hillary look matronly and older than she is and I don't find it particularly flattering.

:(

[Shakespeare]

50. Because it's what he does. He thinks it makes him cool.

So, that's his stock response whenever he disagrees. I'm guessing he's maybe 12 years old.

Hillary is a very, very beautiful woman--but she deserved a better dress than that. I love the deep blue one she wore that somebody posted upthread, though.

[Beacool]

74. Oh, I see, one of those people who have to piss on every thread.

Yeah, she looked great in the blue gown. It was far more flattering than this one.

:D

[Lucky 13]

49. Huh?

What the women wore to the balls is being talked about by everyone. No one's criticizing Hillary... in fact, most are giving her props.

[Marrah_G]

32. The problem is when you get t o be a certain age your skin does not look like it did years before

A dress that may look smashing on Michelle could well look horrible on an older woman.

My mother had varicose veins as she aged. She rarely wears skirts and if she does they are very long.

I trust Hillary to pick out her clothes all by her big girl self.

:eyes:

[Captain Hilts]

63. Eleanor Roosevelt always liked to try to get a tan before the social season...

so she wouldn't look pasty in evening gowns.

[endarkenment]

35. wasn't she attacked previously for wearing a dress that revealed actual breast skin?

and as a followup, who cares what oscar de la renta thinks about anything at all within the political realm?

As a followup to the followup, who knew oscar was even alive?

[mkultra]

40. speaking as a masculinist ( who has been called a chauvinist)

I think that serious professional women shouldn't feel obligated to use their sexuality in performance of their job.
i mean, they can if they want to but frankly, i take them much more seriously if their sex appeal isn't on gross display.


\\slips on flame suit. :)

[Captain Hilts]

69. It's just not appropriate in a professional setting. You're correct.

On television, all women - even business women - wear shrink wrap and low cut things to the office. Well, not in real life they don't.

[mnhtnbb]

42. Oh geeze. Looks like she went shopping with Queen Elizabeth.

If she'd done the dress in a plain color fabric with the contrast trim, it wouldn't be so bad.

[Barack_America]

43. FWIW, if Hillary had let me dress her, this is what I would have chosen.

With a slight modification of the wrap to provide more arm cover (Hillary seems to like her arms covered)

What do you think?

Hills, call me?

[marimour]

48. that would be a big improvement

but I don't think Hillary would like the back out (back fat). But the dress is very appropriate for a ball.

[sandnsea]

59. She'd look gorgeous in that

That's the right combination of sophistication and flair. I do agree with you that the blue dress would have been better in a different material.

[Barack_America]

60. Just for kicks, how amazing would Michelle look in this dress?

It's from Nordstrom (apologies for the large pic)

Perhaps it's not formal enough for the inauguration, but I really think she would rock this dress.

[sandnsea]

61. IThat's more what I expected

She could have done something like that with the same white chiffon fabric, a more flowing skirt like in that Vogue shoot, that I posted above. Killer.

Although it's gorgeous exactly the way it is too.

[Captain Hilts]

71. It shows off the girls more than you want in most first-lady settings. nt

[Beacool]

76. Very nice gown for Michelle.

Much nicer than the Wu gown that she wore last night.

:-)

[Captain Hilts]

66. Great material, but still a fair amount of skin showing. nt

[Beacool]

75. It's a lovely gown!!!

She would look beautiful and probably costs far less than the de la Renta gown. Send Hil your suggestions, as SOS she's going to need lots of gowns.

;)

[jesus_of_suburbia]

83. That would look GREAT on her! (with the extra arm coverage you talked about)

[lumberjack_jeff]

44. Whaa?

Must be a slow news day.

[Catchawave]

45. That's very age appropriate.

We older ladies hide as much skin as we can :silly:

[Arkansas Granny]

46. I don't much care for the dress, but I'm not the one who was wearing it.

If Hillary like it and felt comfortable and attractive in it, that's all that matters.

[Lucky 13]

47. I think it's perfectly appropriate for a woman of her age and stature...

Though the cut of this particular dress does her figure no favors.

If some women want to show some skin and can pull it off well, great. Those that can't or don't choose to shouldn't be criticized for it. The few occasions where I have been forced to wear a formal dress, I have felt like a linebacker in drag. Some people just aren't comfortable dressed like that.

[crispini]

55. The neckline is nice,

but those of us who are getting a little round around the waist (and I include myself in those remarks) have to avoid creating an extra horizontal line there. I'd have left off that second row of ribbon if it were me.

[shayes51]

65. Very appropriate for her age and the occasion.

Classy lady.

[WI_DEM]

67. maybe she should attend her swearing in as SoS in a bikini?

[Beacool]

77. Well, that would wake up the old foggies in the senate!!!!!

:evilgrin:

[mkultra]

79. would that have an official seal on it?

[Beacool]

80. Yep,

it would have the U.S. Department of State seal on the rump.



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[mkultra]

85. red white and blue i assume?

sounds hot! throw in a gun and the freepes would be on board.

[Beacool]

86. Of course!!!

Not sure about the gun, even though it probably would be the RW on board.

:evilgrin:

[Raine]

78. Hillary looks GREAT

though that dress does absolutely nothing for her. x( I liked her first inaugural dress it was kind of a royal blue.

[Forkboy]

81. I think the dress is pretty ugly, but who cares?

You know if she showed "skin" people would harp on her for that, too. Besides, there aren't many jobs lower than a fashion critic. He probably still sleeps in green footy Hulk pajamas.

In other words, Oscar can go fuck himself.

[Mass]

84. What a stupid comment!

I am no fan of the dress, but the comment is totally inane.

[dysfunctional press]

87. and thank goodness for it.

nt