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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 09:46 AM
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Question... Since Bush has now signed a time table to leave Iraq, are we by law stuck with it?
Edited on Wed Dec-17-08 09:47 AM by peacetrain
I am not sure if I am reading it correctly. So those who have a deeper understanding of treaties, and signing agreements, your expertise on this would be most appreciated. I understand the British are leaving this summer, they will be completely out by July, and we are out of the cities and moving to the periphery in that same time scenario. Then we are completely out in 2 years?
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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 10:04 AM
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1. This is complicated, so grab a seat
I'm not sure what Bush signed, so let me cover the basics.

As Commander in Chief and the top of the military chain of command, the President can sign orders which will remain in effect until he or a new CiC says otherwise.

If this is a diplomatic agreement (which I believe is the case) then it is as meaningless as any other diplomatic maneuver, and the US can say or do something totally different tomorrow.

If the withdrawal was part of a bill duly passed by both houses of Congress, then it is a law remains in effect until it is repealed or revised.

If the signature went on a treaty... that is where things get dicy. The full process for a treaty is:

1) It is proposed.

2) A representative of the United States (often but not necessarily the President) signs it, indicating US intent to adhere to it.

3) It is passed to the Senate for consent. The consent of the Senate requires the consent of a two-thirds majority of Senators.

4) If the Senate gives its consent, the President signs it again, indicating that the treaty now has the full status of law within the United States (see US Constitution, Article VI, para. 2.)

If this was a treaty, then was it signed in step 2 or step 4? If step 2, then it comes down to a diplomatic gesture of good will with no legal obligations or comitment.
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Peacetrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 10:11 AM
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2. You are right it is dicey!
Since this was last week, and I am sure congress has not signed on to it, it is still an open time slot. Thank you, I think I have it now. This one had me going in circles
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Aloha Spirit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 10:13 AM
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3. The president dictates foreign policy. The SOFA was not a treaty but an executive agreement,
and could be renegotiated.
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jody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-17-08 10:34 AM
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4. Bush abrogated the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty and Obama can do the same with executive actions.nt
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