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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:30 AM
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"Liberals voice concern about Obama"
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1208/16292.html



Liberals are growing increasingly nervous and some just flat-out angry that President-elect Barack Obama seems to be stiffing them on Cabinet jobs and policy choices.

Obama has reversed pledges to immediately repeal tax cuts for the wealthy and take on Big Oil. Hes hedged his call for a quick drawdown in Iraq. And hes stocking his White House with anything but stalwarts of the left.

Now some are shedding a reluctance to puncture the liberal euphoria at being rid of President George W. Bush to say, in effect, that the new boss looks like the old boss.

He has confirmed what our suspicions were by surrounding himself with a centrist to right cabinet. But we do hope that before it's all over we can get at least one authentic progressive appointment, said Tim Carpenter, national director of the Progressive Democrats of America.

OpenLeft blogger Chris Bowers went so far as to issue this plaintive plea: Isn't there ever a point when we can get an actual Democratic administration?

Even supporters make clear theyre on the lookout for backsliding. Theres a concern that he keep his basic promises and people are going to watch him, said Roger Hickey, a co-founder of Campaign for Americas Future.

Obama insists he hasnt abandoned the goals that made him feel to some like a liberal savior. But the lefts bill of particulars against Obama is long, and growing.

Obama drew rousing applause at campaign events when he vowed to tax the windfall profits of oil companies. As president-elect, Obama says he wont enact the tax.

Obamas pledge to repeal the Bush tax cuts and redistribute that money to the middle class made him a hero among Democrats who said the cuts favored the wealthy. But now hes struck a more cautious stance on rolling back tax cuts for people making over $250,000 a year, signaling hell merely let them expire as scheduled at the end of 2010.

Obamas post-election rhetoric on Iraq and choices for national security team have some liberal Democrats even more perplexed As a candidate, Obama defined and separated himself from his challengers by highlighting his opposition to the war in Iraq from the start. He promised to begin to end the war on his first day in office.

Now Obamas says that on his first day in office he will begin to design a plan for a responsible drawdown, as he told NBCs Meet the Press Sunday. Obama has also filled his national security positions with supporters of the Iraq war: Sen. Hillary Clinton, who voted to authorize force in Iraq, as his secretary of state; and President George W. Bushs defense secretary, Robert Gates, continuing in the same role.

The central premise of the lefts criticism is direct dont bite the hand that feeds, Mr. President-elect. The Internet that helped him so much during the election is lighting up with irritation and critiques.

There don't seem to be any liberals in Obama's cabinet, writes John Aravosis, the editor of Americablog.com. What does all of this mean for Obama's policies, and just as important, Obama Supreme Court announcements?

Actually, it reminds me a bit of the campaign, at least the beginning and the middle, when the Obama campaign didn't seem particularly interested in reaching out to progressives, Aravosis continues. Once they realized that in order to win they needed to marshal everyone on their side, the reaching out began. I hope we're not seeing a similar we can do it alone approach in the transition team.

This isnt the first liberal letdown over Obama, who promptly angered the left after winning the Democratic primary by announcing he backed a compromise that would allow warrantless wiretapping on U.S. soil to continue.

more at link...
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brianna69 Donating Member (339 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:31 AM
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1. The left as always eating its own.
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pmorlan1 Donating Member (763 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:16 AM
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24. Politico.com is at it again!
Sounds like Politico.com is trying to play one Democratic group against the other. I hope people are smart enough not to fall for it. They did the same thing during the election when they tried to pit Clinton supporters against Obama supporters. These people print half truths in order to gin up conflict so that they can increase their readership.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:55 AM
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27. Well, frankly, Obama has never been enough of "our own" to be on the menu.
There's plenty of reasons why the strong left didn't line up behind Obama until it was a choice between him and Hillary.

He's always been a centrist, and it's silly to expect hin to not be a centrist in his governing. I remain content, though, that he is a centrist who will occasionally listen to us on the left.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:04 AM
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36. I really don't care what his label is - just want him to do the things
he said he was going to do. There are warning signs that people just want to "write-off" - making it more
about the man than about the things that are important.
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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 07:28 AM
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56. Herding cats
Not a bunch of mindless borgs like the Right
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:32 AM
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2. Aravosis must be stupid- There don't seem to be any liberals in Obama's cabinet
or deliberately blind.

It's going to be hard enough for Obama to pull the US back from the brink.


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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:32 AM
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3. Yawn.
:nopity:
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:34 AM
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5. Hmmm. I bet the families of the soldiers are yawning too.
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:38 AM
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8. Got plenty of soldiers in my family. 2 in Iraq right now.
They would yawn along with me.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:44 AM
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12. yes, it's totally a monolithic body- the families of soldiers.
Bzzzt. The fact is, many military families "support the mission". I don't. You don't. But it's slightly dim to project YOUR believes on others.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:00 AM
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34. dim for me? how is not dim for you? yikes
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:49 AM
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13. I agree with your yawn. politico has its own agenda. nt
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SIMPLYB1980 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:56 AM
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18. Yep and they have had that agenda for a while now. nt
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:34 AM
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4. "The Left/Liberals" will be used by the MSM to attack Obama
this is only the beginning.


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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:36 AM
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6. As a left/liberal, that is fine with me. Because it's not about him or us,
remember? It's about getting out of Iraq, it's about restoring economic fairness, about
stopping the free flow of money and cronyism to the top? remember?
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Uzybone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:42 AM
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11. I placed "left/liberal" in quotes for a reason
because a lot of these professional critics and whiners are not friends of progress. When they start to work to offer solutions then I can respect them.

I'd rather stand with President Obama than stand with bloggers who do nothing but bitch. I believe most of the reality based left/liberals do the same as well.

Are we more likely to get the things you are asking for (and that Obama promised and is already enacting) by offering support and constructive criticism, or by cutting Obama off at the knees before he is even sworn in?
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GarbagemanLB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:49 AM
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14. No. It's about having a pragmatic president and not a fucking ideologue in the white house.
I believe Obama will do whatever WORKS to fix the economy and deal with the situation in Iraq. He has repeatedly said he will remove the majority of troops from Iraq and hasn't backed down from that.

The tax increases for the wealthy would be DELAYED, not done away with entirely.

Also, whoever is criticizing Obama before he has even been in office one day are fools. Let's see what sort of policies are enacted.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:55 AM
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17. Then how about giving him a chance to get into office
You know, let him get sworn in and give his first friggin order.

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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:36 AM
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7. I'm convinced that most of those "let down" by the president
elect....not even in office yet....were let down when he was nominated and elected. They won't be happy because he wasn't their choice in the first place.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:01 AM
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35. wrong
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:59 PM
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50. Yup. They never liked him (for *some* reason), and they never will.
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:38 AM
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9. Do these people ever realize that Obama may be playing a bit of a game here with Repubs?
How to end the war in Iraq, why of course, use a Repub like Gates to do it! Want to make major changes in health care, restructure the way the economy works through stimulus and taxes, use moderates to do it. Its actually brilliant really. Obama is not dumb. He was a major community organizer, he knows how to get things done and is setting this administration to make things a smooth as possible. The Rethugs won't realize how much has changed until it hits them and the left will have to realize Obama knew what he was doing the whole time.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:53 AM
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15. Exactly, and that even plays into my theory.
(Partially copied from a post I made the other day)

'The Cabinet merely implement the policies set forth by the president. The important posts are the ones who help him develop that policy, the posts that don't require the Senate to confirm. White House staff and advisory positions, such as:

- Melody Barnes, from the Center for American Progress, has been appointed head of the Domestic Policy Council.

- Patrick Gaspard, of SEIU, has been appointed Director of the Office of Political Affairs. This is the same position Karl Rove held.

- Ellen Moran, from EMILY's List, has been appointed Director of Communications.

- Phil Schiliro, former Chief of Staff for Rep. Henry Waxman, has been made Assistant to the President for Legislative Affairs (Congressional Liason)

- Mona Sutphen, Deputy White House Chief of Staff.


Those are the first names that come to mind, all progressives, all with greater access to the President than members of the Cabinet. I'm sure if I put some effort in, I could find more. These are the people who help develop the policy that the Cabinet enacts. And since these aren't the high-profile Cabinet posts, most of them are ignored or overlooked by the media.

Personally, I think it's the beginnings of a brilliant strategy - moving the center to the left. The Cabinet is made up of those who seem to be moderate, centrist, center-right people (although I personally think there will be an even balance by the time it's complete). More importantly, however, the people he's appointing for every position have a reputation for getting things done, regardless of personal ideology. By having progressive and liberal policies enacted by a 'centrist' Cabinet, it will make the very ideas "centrist" - thus moving the center to the left, and making it far easier to enact even stronger progressive legislation later on.'


The retention of Gates is not a bad idea, for the reasons you gave, but also because while the rest of Obama's team can hit the ground running, Gates is already in the race. Anyone new at this time would have to spend crucial time learning how to run the Department of Defense. His retention is temporary, and has been stated as such many times, and he probably knows more about what's going on in Iraq than anyone else in the country. in 2010, Wesley Clark will be eligible, and unless I'm mistaken, Obama adviser Richard Danzig is to be Deputy Sec. of Defense, right under Gates (correct me if I'm wrong on that.)
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:57 AM
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19. Look for who are the duputies as well an second in command of these posts.
I'm so glad someone else here realizes what he is doing, "By having progressive and liberal policies enacted by a 'centrist' Cabinet, it will make the very ideas "centrist" - thus moving the center to the left, and making it far easier to enact even stronger progressive legislation later on." You are so right, that is what he is doing, making the center get more progressive by having them shape the more progressive policies in his cabinet. Change starts with him, he said so he is really doing this in such an intelligent way.
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Shiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:36 AM
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26. It could also explain the appointment of Emmanuel
The man may be DLC, but he also has a reputation for loyalty - not to mention he's a hard-ass who can drive Obama's plans through Congress. And, like with Gates, I've heard it said that Emmanuel only plans to serve for a pre-determined period of time before going back to the House; not sur ehow long, but I'm thinking long enough to get the major stuff through...

Personally, I like Rahm, despite his DLCness and other factors... well, mostly I just like saying his name in that real dramatic way... RAHM EMMANUEL! :hide:
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:35 AM
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30. Rahm likes to win--and that's an important quality in a CoS.
He'll fight tooth and nail for Obama's agenda.
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rockymountaindem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:49 AM
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31. I wouldn't count on Rahm leaving and going back to the House
He'd lose his seniority if he did and would have to start over from the bottom of the list in terms of committees etc. I think for him to shift to this new position now is an indication he plans on staying there.
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:03 PM
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51. Uh, he told you all this?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:40 AM
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10. and the sun rises in the east.
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:54 AM
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16. Oh noes! He's DLC!!!
Or something else completely stupid.


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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:59 AM
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20. lol, idiots
The guys isn't even president yet. Lots of people have been appointed that have been called "liberals" or "progressives." Obama ran on raising taxes and he actually won. Now that he's won he's saying he's not raising taxes. It's brilliant. Republicans can't say that the first thing Obama did when he took office is raise taxes. Also, they can't say that the future downturn of the economy is the result of him raising taxes. So keep whining... It's hilarious.
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droidamus2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 08:59 AM
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21. Show me the money?
The left does the same thing the right does. They need an 'enemy' to keep their troops agitated and contributing money to the 'cause'. So since we kicked the Republicons out of the White House and control of Congress the left has to come up with reasons to attack their own. This is why in the last 30+ years the Democrats have not been able to solidify and hold the highest offices in this country because once they gain power the different factions within the party start fighting for the biggest piece of the pie. I consider myself to be very liberal but I am more than willing to let President Obama choose who he wants to work with. I will ultimately decide whether I approve of these picks not from pre-office litmus test of 'liberal holiness' but from what they actually do and accomplish. Of course there is nothing wrong with keeping pressure on them but this kind of attack just plays in to the right wings propaganda machine. As I have said in other posts what President Obama is putting in place is a administration that is on the center-right of the Democratic party which still means it probably leans a little bit center-left of the general populace. Give them a chance people!!!
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Tennessee Gal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:00 AM
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22. I trust Obama.
There are changes daily on many fronts that require him to adjust his thinking and he does. That is the sign of an introspective, thoughtful leader. That is far different that what we have had since * took office. Thank God!
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:01 AM
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23. The right is trying to drum this up to fire up Obama's base against
him.

I still think Obama is using the people he has chosen because he feels he can get the job done best with them. I do not believe in any way that it will be governing DLC style, even with a few DLC people in the Cabinet.

We will know soon enough.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:11 AM
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38. You know, I don't need anyone, especially the right to drum up
anything - we know the things that are important - we know the promises that were made
about fulfilling them. I just can't blame this on the right. This, to me, is not
about the man, it's about the important things that he promised would be done. I am
willing to wait and see, of course. But there are more warning bells going off right
now than strong assurances.
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harun Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 12:18 PM
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43. I'm hearing all the same bells and am waiting to see before
going off :-). It will only take a couple months in office to know if we have been had or not.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:23 PM
Response to Reply #43
45. Thank you so much, at last a reasoned voice. I am hoping very
much that he is trying to build a wide coalition now and that he really meant everything he said.
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NYC_SKP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 09:25 AM
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25. Well then, VW microbuses and hemp togas for all the cabinet members.
Would that make Aravosis happy?

:eyesroll:
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:00 AM
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28. He didn't reverse his pledge on taxes
Nor hedged his call for withdrawl.

The uninformed believe this lie. Most who never supported him are looking for anything. They are worse than the freepers. I bet they were secretely wishing the birth certificate foolishness was real.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:16 AM
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41. that's bullshit. the "uninformed" ! "worse than freeper" "birth certificate"
Name calling against people who see warning signs that promises might not be kept - very effective !!
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ellacott Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:20 AM
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42. It's the truth
Total bullshit on their part. I don't care anymore. If they get their feelings hurt because they act like children might be a sign that they need to grow the hell up. There is a lot of ignorance on this board. He never broke a pledge regarding tax cuts or deviated from his plan to withdraw troops. Any sincerely informed voter would know this. If folks are whining and getting upset about this it shows they weren't paying attention during the campaign or they never were supporters of Obama and are looking for anything to criticize.

At least let him get sworn in.

Acting like freepers? Yep, you betcha.
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:29 PM
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47. What promises?
He wanted a 16 month withdrawal from Iraq - dependent upon conditions on the ground.

This new agreement with the Iraqi government just changed the conditions on the ground, and a 16 month withdrawal would violate the agreement - therefore, he will have to re-negotiate that agreement ONCE HE IS IN OFFICE.

He has not broken or kept ANY promises - and he won't until HE IS IN OFFICE.

If you hold your breath until Jan 20, you are going to be very uncomfortable.
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Beacool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:10 AM
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29. I'm not concerned.
I'm relieved.

:)
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Hellataz Donating Member (804 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:53 AM
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32. I'm a liberal and not at all concerned
He has other issues to deal with, plus he hasn't even been sworn in yet. Do people really expect him to solve all our problems before he even moves into the white house? It's ridiculous, like they thought the idea of him being named president alone was going to create a miracle that would have brought about world peace and equality for all....idiots. This shit takes time and he has to make tough calls to try and get shit done. These people need to STFU or consider what it would be like had McCain and Palin won. Then they'd really have something to bitch about.
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 10:54 AM
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33. Hey, a right-wing commentary site is trying to turn liberals against a liberal President.
What a shocker.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #33
46. that is so crazy to me. I don't get a shit about what any right wing
sites have to say - nor do I suspect any other liberals do. Do you honestly think that I we are not listening and
watching Obama but instead - chose to taking our "thinking orders" from the right wing who we have detested and
determined were off their rockers from the start?
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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:33 PM
Response to Reply #46
48. Given by your unquestioning parroting of talking points from a right-wing website?
Yes.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 05:24 PM
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52. that just is not fair. Could it be possible that you and I think totally
different? Can that enter into your discourse? I repeat - I don't give a shit who says what. I only
know what I know and what I care about. Some people wait until there's something to worry about. Some
people, like me, are more cautious, more suspect. Some people react when subtle signs are shown. It
had absolutely nothing to do with rw talking points - that's an insult - like no one can think for themselves.
Like I wouldn't have known he's shying away from former positions without them telling me.
It happened to me - when I heard O's news conference when he was asked about Iraq and gave a very luke warm
response. Gone was the assertive determination - of We will get out. Nothing concrete - just a totally
different change in tone.

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Occam Bandage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 05:28 PM
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53. No, I have no doubt that you're honestly buying what Politico's selling.
Some people are easier sells than others. Personally, I don't think there's anything "cautious" about leaping headlong to conclusions, nor about panicking over something so goddamn mundane as the tone of his voice that one time.
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 07:23 AM
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54. Wow, you didn't read a word of what I said. You must be a diplomat
never thinking you are the only one who is right - always thinking that the other person
could have a different perspective - always understanding that you can agree without
belittling the other person! Man, wish I could be more like you!
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 07:28 AM
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55. You missed another post like mine - thought you'd want to trash them too...
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Life Long Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:11 AM
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37. And Obama's approval ratings are in the 70 percent range.
:patriot:
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Laura PourMeADrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #37
39. right - once again, in the minority. Still hoping the invasion of Iraq will end asap.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:15 AM
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40. I guess that Politico, Corporate Rag du Jour, reads DU!
There don't seem to be any liberals in Obama's cabinet, writes John Aravosis, the editor of Americablog.com. What does all of this mean for Obama's policies, and just as important, Obama Supreme Court announcements?

Obama voted against Alito and Roberts......so this is nothing but a bunch of doo-doo meant to divide and polarize us, and weaken Barack before he is even sworn in! :eyes:
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 12:43 PM
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44. yep..a bunch of bullshit! I signed off and went for a fucking
unemployment nap after posting this morning. I hate starting my monday off like this...no job...and made up "liberal/progressives are pissed off editorials" surrounding our new democratic president elect. He's not in office yet and he's such a disappointment?!

:puke:

:mad:
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 02:57 PM
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49. Well you know......he's not Pres. Kucinich.
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Cash_thatswhatiwant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-09-08 09:06 AM
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57. I think too many on the left bought the right wing talking point that Obama is the most
liberal senator. He and Hillary Clinton's voting record are very close on almost everything...
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