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yellowwood Donating Member (550 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:58 PM
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Lieberman, Daschle, Emanuel, maybe Clinton-a nest of hawks
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 03:00 PM by yellowwood
My first interest in Barack Obama came from hearing that he was against the Iraq conflict before it happened.
Now we have Lieberman, a noted hawk.
Daschle, who stood behind Bush in support of the Iraq invasion.
Rahm Emanuel, who clearly supported the hawks.
And maybe Clinton, who never apologized for supporting the invasion and has suggested that we could "annihilate" Iran.
Now I know that this gang doesn't have ultimate authority, but just the idea of their having the President's ear is troubling to me.
Please Barack, don't let us down. I don't think that I could stand it.

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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 02:59 PM
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1. SInce when does Traitor Joe have the ear of the President?
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:02 PM
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2. Since yesterday.
He gets to keep his committee appointments, which means he will be conferring with the President on a regular basis.
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:02 PM
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3. No, the OP is putting Lieberman on the same level as the cabinet and COS...thats horseshit
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:03 PM
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4. He knows his chairmanship is tenuous. He will do one Hell of a lot more listening than talking ...
when he meets with President Obama.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:06 PM
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5. There, there...
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 03:07 PM by TwoSparkles
Seriously, I'm just as concerned as you are.

However, here is another way to look at things...

Lieberman is moot--because he will not be in Obama's inner circle. Obama
was just being diplomatic.

Daschle did stand by the Iraq invasion, but so much has happened since then. Lines
were drawn in the sand after everyone realized how out of control the neocons had
become. I doubt Daschle would support any such action, by any neocon, at this point.

Emanuel--He was picked because of his legislative and powerbrokering skills. He's
the bad cop to Obama's good cop--and I wholeheartedly applaud that strategy. Can
you imagine someone like Reid in that position? Yikes. Obama didn't hire him
to perpetuate his Iraq-war views.

His AG pick wants Guantanamo gone and has been very outspoken against torture
and Guantanamo. Very promising.

Clinton---it's just not going to happen. Hopefully, she'll be a stalwart in the
Senate.

Rest easy...it's going to be fine. Remember, we still have many more appointments
to go!
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MadBadger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:07 PM
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7. Not to mention, Daschle is at HHS..which for the stupid has nothing to diwth Iraq
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:09 PM
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10. good post n/t
n/t
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stray cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:06 PM
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6. Obama never said he didn't believe in fighting anyone ever
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Kurt_and_Hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:07 PM
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8. Yeah, when Daschle declares war on tooth decay at HHS I'm moving to Canada
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bunnies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:31 PM
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12. ...
:rofl:
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:08 PM
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9. In all fairness, I dont think Obama chose Lieberman as his #1 choice at all.
I think it was part of a political deal and now he is stuck with him...
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jobycom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:20 PM
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11. Oh come on.
First, Lieberman has nothing to do with Obama's administration. He's in a separate branch of government.

Second, Clinton was not a hawk, and did little more than "Support the troops," while blasting Bush's handling of the war at every step. And she did say she regretted her vote. The election's over, we can dump the spin now. In any case, we still don't know if Clinton will be on Obama's cabinet or not.

Third, Daschle spoke out against Bush's planned invasion before the Iraq vote, though weakly, and like many Dems in conservative areas stood behind the troops, not the war. And he pretty much lost his seat because of it, as Thune used Daschle's comments against the war against him.

I don't know enough about Emanuel. I know he's been spun as pro-war, but so has Clinton, while aggressive pro-war advocates like John Edwards were seen as anti-war activists, so I'm not overly impressed by gut-reaction uninformed spin. Anyway, Obama's views on the war are his most defined, and I'm sure his chief of staff isn't going to sway him.

A lot of people still don't get what the Iraq War Resolution was about. As people like Bill Clinton and Wesley Clark tried to explain, it was the last chance to stop Bush's invasion. Bush surrounded himself with advisers who had been calling for us to invade Iraq since 1998. It's exactly why he ran in the first place, and he had made it perfectly clear that he was going to invade without the IWR if it failed. Some Dems used the IWR as an attempt to trip Bush up, forcing him to go to the UN in the hopes that the delays would offer time to get us out of the invasion. It failed, but we would have gone to war quicker without it.

Obama's doing fine. I think that's the real complaint some people have--that Obama isn't doing anything wrong.
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obreaslan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:35 PM
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13. Yes, I'm concerned...
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 03:37 PM by obreaslan

:eyes:
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high density Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 03:37 PM
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14. WTF do Emanuel, Lieberman, or Dashcle have to do with Obama's foreign policy?
Good God, let the guy make some fucking policy decisions before tearing him down.
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TheKentuckian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 04:24 PM
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15. Daschle is not a hawk and Lieberman is not a part of the administration
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kevinds13 Donating Member (176 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 05:45 PM
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16. Jesus Christ...
Obama makes the final decision and we all voted for HIS judgment. He was against the Iraq War...so lets all just remember that since he makes the final say and he has proven he has the judgment, then the people around him are merely devil's advocates.
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Doityourself Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 05:49 PM
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17. Oh Mz. Scarlett...I be terribly skurred!!! lawdy lawdy lawdy n/t
Edited on Wed Nov-19-08 05:50 PM by Doityourself
Thanks for your concern! lmao transparent!
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camera obscura Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:05 PM
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18. Yes, Daschle will be imposing his pro-war agenda in pushing health care through... WTF???
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MarthaMyDear Donating Member (446 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-19-08 06:13 PM
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19. (*looking around to find a bottle to give the big baby*)
Give the man a chance, for God's sake! Be glad you don't have McCain and Palin in there appointing who knows what!

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