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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:40 PM
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OMG...RATHER HITTING A HOMERUN
WOOOOOOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
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Fridays Child Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:41 PM
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1. More, more! Tell us more! What's he saying?
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Dickie Flatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:42 PM
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8. Go here
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chelsea0011 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:41 PM
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2. Barry Bonds-like YEEEHAAAAAAAA
In the drink
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Nancy Waterman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:44 PM
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16. Several brief interviews
all substantiating the charges: thehandwriting expert, the guy who knew Killian (Hodges?), and someone else. He also said a couple of times that the memos are only a part of a whole slew of evidence that all says the same thing. And he ended with: if anyone has evidence to the contrary, we will report it. So far there is none.
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PDittie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:41 PM
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3. He busted back
harrrrrrrrrrd.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:01 PM
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31. this could cause undecideds to decide.... CNN blew it
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shoopnyc123 Donating Member (997 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:42 PM
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4. He had a GOOD TIME!!!!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:42 PM
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5. Bigtime....he stuck the questions that Shrub NEEDS to answer and showed
the attack was a "folly"
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Nite Owl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:42 PM
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6. Best piece of reporting
done in a long time.
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ET Awful Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:42 PM
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7. I agree.
And the other officer he spoke with (Strong?) shows no sign of lying. Unlike some of Bush's folks (not to mention the chimp himself), he has none of the nervousness or rapid blinking, etc.

The document expert that says the signatures are authentic was the key though.

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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:43 PM
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9. He stood by the documents and put the focus more on the charges..
which the White House has not denied. He says, the documents only back up other evidence that likely proves that * was a slacker. (my word, not his)
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:11 PM
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33. the bloggers were the "data source" for CNN...how assanine
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:43 PM
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10. What a Man!!
Real courage is Sooo sexy! He is my new hero.
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laruemtt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:43 PM
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11. i hope he'll be careful flying from now on...
rove does not like 'his boy' to be attacked.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:44 PM
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12. He said that "the internet claimed a certain font was not possible" and
then he showed proof form older Bush documents with the same font that were released from the WH....and then he shared data that these fonts were available from way before the bush documents


He embarrased the attackers...Rove is screwed now
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:44 PM
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13. The big thing is the signature
No one important has questioned the signature - not Killian's widow, not Killian's son.

Rather's report showed the handwriting expert who signed off on the signature being Killian's.

If the signature is Killian's, then all the documents are valid - because Killian died 20 years ago. All the documents are produced by the same machine.

It comes down to the signature.
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:51 PM
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25. CNN questioned the signatures this afternoon. eom
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:56 PM
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28. Do they have the original documents?
Because the pdf files are sure not scans of an original document. They're a scan of a copy of a copy or a scan of a microfiche, or something else.

If they're operating from an item that can be dated back over a decade or two then it's compelling. If all they have is a copy the signature is not particularly weighty.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:44 PM
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14. if evidence arises that the documents are fake we will report it
so far there is none. ..paraphrase
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Safi Donating Member (218 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:44 PM
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15. Bartcop sent Dan Rather a big ol' hammer...
...and Rather adjusted his gigantic nuts and started swinging...

-Safi
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:47 PM
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21. LOL .... love the imagery !
I'm so relieved that CBS did their job .... I was scared !!!!! :scared:
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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:44 PM
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17. DE-BUNKED those rat-bastards!
Covered all the RW talking points. Those people are delusional! They cannot believe that Chimpy McCokespoon could do any wrong.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:00 PM
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shtinkycat Donating Member (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:44 PM
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18. oh, yeah, baby that was good
Rather looked right at the camera and said (paraphrase): If any credible evidence comes up that contradicts our story, we will report it. So far, none has.

A home run for the truth, I say. Love the way he referred to the "blogosphere" perpetuating the rumors on behalf of the administration.
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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:45 PM
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19. I love it ... I heard Rush go apoplectic today on this....
...nearly wrecked my car ... After hearing him I was CERTAIN that Kerry, the DNC, the party AND CBS had just flushed themsevles down the crapper...

TWIST in the wind you BASTARDS !!!!!! :bounce:
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:55 PM
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27. the blogggers were talking of Rather's retirement .... maybe they should
look at a jail sentence for AWOL
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AmerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:45 PM
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20. Take that CNN
you vile white house smear machine!
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Demi_Babe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:50 PM
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24. HE WAS BRILLANT
His tone was serious...his eye expression was serious...he meant to make a point that these are not fake and that W needs to answer the questions!!! You could just tell he was pissed off and wanted to make it CLEAR that these are NOT fake!!!


WOOOHOOO!!!

YOU THE MAN DAN!!!
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xxqqqzme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:30 PM
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42. Rather's an honest-2-god
Texan, I think, unlike the other kind.
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:59 PM
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47. CNN just got slapped! And AWOL is now on the hook
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mbali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:48 PM
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22. Making a COMPLETE ass of the other "journalists" who've been
questioning his journalistic skill all day.

Back in the day, real journalists would have, upon hearing a rumor about the questions re the documents, called Rather up and said, "Hey, buddy - this is what I'm hearing? Anything to it? Is your sourcing solid?" And Rather would have said, "Hey, man - I'm glad you called before you ran with anything. My story is solid as hell and I've got more. So keep your powder dry."

And that would have been the end of it. But in their haste to run with a bulls*it story, defend Bush and to try to get a journalistic coup on Dan Rather of all people, these dimestore media personalities - who don't know the first thing about real journalism - now look like damned idiots.

Gotta love it!
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:49 PM
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23. the rove media relies on "bloggers" for thier dirt ...and then run
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:48 PM
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45. I quoted you, hope you don't mind..
in my letter to Rather:

Dear Mr. Rather,

I cannot say this better than a poster has at www.democraticunderground.com
(This forum is obviously partisan but people take great pride in backing up stories with solid links and research)

Here is the comment:

"Back in the day, real journalists would have, upon hearing a rumor about the questions re the documents, called Rather up and said, "Hey, buddy - this is what I'm hearing? Anything to it? Is your sourcing solid?" And Rather would have said, "Hey, man - I'm glad you called before you ran with anything. My story is solid as hell and I've got more. So keep your powder dry."
And that would have been the end of it."

This sounds simple, but it seems this sort of integrity is on the wane. Thank you for maintaining the real tradition of good journalism that was once the pride of America.

Sincerely..
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:52 PM
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26. Some faith restored
For so very very long I have avoided mainstream broadcast journalism. My opinion of their "ability" to "report" is on par with my opinion of W's ability to "think". I personally plan on sending an atta-boy to CBS tonight letting them know they have a new viewer as long as they continue to uphold what I consider "solid" journalistic principals even if they are against "my side or my people".

There is a shred of hope in the air tonight... my only hope is that it is not a canard.

MZr7
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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:06 PM
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32. CNN's reputation too a HUGE hit tonight..... he slapped them
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Bleacher Creature Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:12 PM
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35. Need more info.
I'm not near the tv. Did he single CNN out??
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:27 PM
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41. No.
He mentioned "political operatives" and the internet but no one specifically.
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:11 PM
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34. Welcome to DU, Rat!
:hi:
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MazeRat7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:24 PM
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39. Thanks... its good to be home. (n/t)
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 05:59 PM
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29. Video of this now on my site
http://bushlies2.us
will autoplay on the main page.
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Frodo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:16 PM
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37. Thanks!
I had missed it.
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GOPAgainstGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:15 PM
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36. HERE IS THE "INSIDE SKINNY" ON WHAT IS GOING ON-GOING DOWN!
Dan Rather is a Texas native. He was born and raised outside Houston and then after completing college, cut his television journalist teeth at a National network station in Houston.

He took on the Bush Family "Texas Mafia"(BFTM) several times in the early 70's, and this current situation is more of the "blood feud" between he and H.W. Bush. Dan Rather is very solid, a real pro, first-class credibility (unlike those flake GOP-ops reporters at Fox), and will NOT back down from a deal that he knows he is right. I/we have never seen Dan do it once in 35 years!

The Bush Family Texas Mafia (BFTM) tries to destroy anyone that takes them on, hell just look at their damn track record. You all know this!

More importantly, we will make some phone calls on this deal, and in particular if CBS “60 Minutes” has something cooking to bag the BFTM on several matters we are aware. We keep hearing "little things" on this subject, plus the Washington Post has been digging on this next deal for over a year.

It has to do with the Bush Family corruption, documents the Fed accidentally discovered at Enron (which was a Bush Family business "front operation"), and Bush's "War Dog" House Majority Leader Tom DeLay (Houston) being under a massive Texas criminal grand jury investigation, for fraud, bribery, extortion, money laundering, and criminal abuse of his political office.

The big kicker is Bob “$200,000 donor to O’Neill’s SBVT” Perry (Houston) is involved with DeLay in his criminal enterprise and we mean BIG TIME! Also eleven (11) other BFTM members are involved, in varying degree, including the Texas Governor and other ranking elected State officials, and many of them could go to jail over this deal.

The BFTM is doing everything possible to keep the lid on it, and also get W elected. BFTM needs W elected so he can do Presidential Pardons for BFTM Enron buddies, (Ken Lay), DeLay, Perry, and others that get convicted and sent to prison over this massive criminal enterprise.

That in a nutshell is what’s going on with all the Bush-Cheney-GOP totally outright fraud in their campaign. They don’t have a platform to run on, so the con and fraud game is all they got! They are going nuts because Rather stuck his nose in it. If you recall Dan Rather has stayed pretty neutral in his reporting on the O’Neill-SBVT fraud scam. We know, what I just delineated, because we are well connected Republicans, have several influential Houstonians in our “Beat Bush” cartel, along with two Houston criminal attorney’s – NKR

PS: It should be noted that CBS is owned by Viacom. 70-75% of campaign donations by Viacom (VIA) executives and its political action committee, have gone to the Democratic Party and its candidates.


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cthrumatrix Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:23 PM
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38. Rather just "detoured" shrub campaign... people will lose faith in CNN
and CBS will be the truth standard
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:26 PM
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40. Thanks GOPagainstGW
Post often. We get great info and a fascinating perspective from you. We all love the "skinny".
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Longhorn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:36 PM
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43. Wow, pretty amazing stuff!
I sure hope it gets out and in time! Thanks for the inside info!
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:37 PM
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44. They better get these guys convicted real soon!
Shrub can still pardon them up to Jan. 20th, and time is running out!!!
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jumpstart33 Donating Member (328 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:10 PM
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48. Is this election really all about pardons for the ENRON crooks and others?
I never looked at that aspect of it but sure as hell makes sense. How many others are they looking to pardon? Damn amazing.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 07:27 PM
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49. Well they better hurrying the hell up!
Edited on Fri Sep-10-04 07:27 PM by in_cog_ni_to
There's ONLY what??? a month and a half left???? Hurry, hurry, hurry!

on edit....Thank you for that story! VERY, very interesting! I hope they all go DOWN!
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-10-04 06:59 PM
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46. Rather Really Must Have the Anchors at Fox & CNN Steaming!
These jackasses could have at least given some merit to the consequences of Rather's story, but...

These jackasses chose to challenge the story, worse to call it a fraud.

Well, now they can all sink in their shame together.

Dan Rather is the journalist they all still are jealous of.
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