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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:10 PM
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"When's the last time a losing VP candidate was still in the news a week after the election?"
Edited on Wed Nov-12-08 07:15 PM by babylonsister
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_11/015639.php

COMING TO TERMS WITH DODGING A BULLET.... Yesterday afternoon, Atrios noted, "Sarah Palin is still getting more press attention than Joe the Biden, and he's going to be Vice President and she's not." Soon after, CNN's Jack Cafferty added, "When's the last time a losing vice presidential candidate was still in the news a week after the election? Nobody seems interested in interviewing Joe Biden, or for that matter, John McCain. But we just don't seem to be able to get enough of Sarah Palin."

They're both right, of course. Palin was a ridiculous candidate on a failed ticket. Her candidacy was a national embarrassment, and insult to our political system. And yet, like a car crash, it's hard to turn away.

At first blush, it's hard to put one's finger on why, exactly. Maybe we haven't quite gotten out of "campaign mode." Or perhaps some are thinking ahead, keeping an eye on Palin with an expectation that she'll seek national office again fairly soon.

But I think it's more than that. Kevin noted this afternoon, "We've simply never seen someone so completely unmoored from the normal requirements of national office before." I not only think that's right, I also think we're still coming to terms with just how serious this fiasco really was.

Given this, Andrew Sullivan had a very compelling item explaining why Palin may be history, but "she is history that matters."

Let's be real in a way the national media seems incapable of: this person should never have been placed on a national ticket in a mature democracy. She was incapable of running a town in Alaska competently. The impulsive, unvetted selection of a total unknown, with no knowledge of or interest in the wider world, as a replacement president remains one of the most disturbing events in modern American history. That the press felt required to maintain a facade of normalcy for two months -- and not to declare the whole thing a farce from start to finish -- is a sign of their total loss of nerve. That the Palin absurdity should follow the two-term presidency of another individual utterly out of his depth in national government is particularly troubling. 46 percent of Americans voted for the possibility of this blank slate as president because she somehow echoed their own sense of religious or cultural "identity". Until we figure out how this happened, we will not be able to prevent it from happening again. And we have to find a way to prevent this from recurring. <...>

This deluded and delusional woman still doesn't understand what happened to her; still has no self-awareness; and has never been forced to accept her obvious limitations. She cannot keep even the most trivial story straight; she repeats untruths with a ferocity and calm that is reserved only to the clinically unhinged; she has the educational level of a high school drop-out; and regards ignorance as some kind of achievement. It is excruciating to watch her -- but more excruciating to watch those who feel obliged to defend her.


It's not quite that we "don't seem to be able to get enough of Sarah Palin"; it's that we were the victim of a painful and consequential practical joke. We haven't quite come to terms with what's transpired.

-Steve Benen
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:13 PM
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1. 1968
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blueclown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:14 PM
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4. Muskie was probably the last. You are right. n/t
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begin_within Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:14 PM
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2. Why the hell is she still geting nationwide air time?
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LiberalFighter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 10:31 PM
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21. Because most of the media calling the shots are men? Thinking with their little head?
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tigereye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:22 AM
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30. "lust of the eye" - people love a train wreck...


:shrug:
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NRaleighLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:14 PM
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3. Part watching a train wreck fascination, part something subliminally sexual,
part easier to watch her than to actually engage the brain to something substantive.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:17 PM
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5. Andrew Sullivan got it right..
"It is excruciating to watch her -- but more excruciating to watch those who feel obliged to defend her."
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:23 PM
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6. when was the last time a VP candidate was so unknown until 60 days before the election?
And what was learned of her in that short time made her out to be someone who, by normal national political figure standards was as "exotic" as she was -- moose killing, shopaholic, mother of a pregnant teenager, goofball who is more cartoon like than real?

If there had ever been a major party vp candidate like that, I suspect he or she would've gotten some attention after the election too. Plus, more than ever before, both the media and the public have become addicted to the campaign and are going through withdrawal after two years of incessant coverage. There is a vaccum, and crazy sarah is more than happy to fill it (and I'm sure the Obama folks are more than happy to let her since their goal is to keep a tight lid on the news and avoid gving the media an opportunity to play gotcha or define their messaging).

As I've said in other threads, the attention lavished on palin doesn't bother me at all. She's setting herself up. She continues to babble on with her you betcha's and crazy talk and in a couple of months, Obama is going to stand up in front of the Capitol, in front of the largest crowd to ever watch an inauguration in person or on tv, and again demonstrate to the nation and the world what it means to be presidential. And the contrast with Caribou Barbie will be more stark than ever.
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FrenchieCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:27 PM
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9. I agree with your take.
Let them have her!
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:35 PM
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12. Great post, and I agree. She's filling in as fodder for everyone,
and not in a good way (for her).
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 05:53 PM
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32. That is a great post
everything you said is absolutely true
Well done
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uponit7771 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:24 PM
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7. Palin Power!! Please join me in voting for her in the 2012 primaries!!!
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:34 PM
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11. Be careful what you wish for
An awful lot of people voted for her. Give the corporate media four years to polish that turd, and she could get more than 50 percent.

There are a lot of very stupid, very gullible American voters.
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 10:26 PM
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19. Yep.
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:23 AM
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31. her base loves her.
she is a cult and a very dangerous one.
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BumRushDaShow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:25 PM
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8. "That the press felt required to maintain a facade of normalcy
for two months -- and not to declare the whole thing a farce from start to finish -- is a sign of their total loss of nerve."

OMG I couldn't have said it any better except I would replace "total loss of nerve" with "total loss of credibility". "A facade of normalcy" is exactly what they did... as if she was actually legitimate! She IS an absurdity.
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spartan61 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:31 PM
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10. Is Palin the only Governor at the Gov Conference
in Miami? I ask this because she is the only one I have seen on CNN and MSNBC all day long. One would think there aren't 50 Governors, only this one. She irritates me to no end. What a narcissistic woman and she has no clue that she doesn't know what she is talking about.
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tinrobot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:35 PM
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13. When has a VP candidate ever looked good in a short skirt?
Sorry, but sex sells... so does a story of an unknown woman catapulted into the limelight.

Her star will fade eventually.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:44 PM
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15. Too bad intelligence isn't more important, isn't it. nt
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cliffordu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 10:30 PM
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20. I was going to say breasts. It's all about the breasts.


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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:36 PM
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14. Freak Show. Tabloid sensibility. And not really surprising.
--IMM
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calico1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 07:49 PM
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16. It's like watching a car wreck or a bad B movie.
You know you shouldn't but you just can't turn away.

And in the case of the B movie you hope that if you just keep watching, maybe..just maybe..it will start making sense.

:rofl:
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Lance_Boyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:46 AM
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27. "in the case of the B movie you hope"
for a flash of T and/or A. That is the ONLY reason this "person" still appears on our television sets.

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Martin Eden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 08:18 PM
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17. Pailin is still in the news BECAUSE she's excruciating to watch
Edited on Wed Nov-12-08 08:19 PM by Martin Eden
C'mon, don't you understand the televiion media by now?!!

Sarah Palin is still in the news because the news media knows people can't help but watch the Sarah Palin freak show. It's all about attracting viewers to sell advertising.

Since when did the news media take a sober assessment of what information is most essential for the citizenry to exercise the informed consent of the governed?
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eilen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 09:39 PM
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18. The Paris Hilton of politics nt
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DeepModem Mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-12-08 10:50 PM
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22. K&R!
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 12:57 AM
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23. K&R
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jillan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:18 AM
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24. k & r!
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Jennicut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:20 AM
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25. Because she is an accident we can't help but watch.
Our new VP is normal and will do a good job so we are not worried but Phalin is so utterly dumb that it is hilarious. Making fun of her is a new national pastime.
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4themind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 09:23 AM
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26. Perhaps the best way to explain it is to use an analogy....American Idols's William Hung
Edited on Thu Nov-13-08 09:26 AM by 4themind
He was terrible but he got attention BECAUSE he was terrible. <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqmy5qrvaVQ> Exceptional things tend to stick out. That means those who are exceptionally good and those who are exceptionally bad. Now there are many people on either one spectrum or the other, and very few in between with this woman. Either way that translates into ratings, from those who see her as inspirational, and others who rubberneck to see the train reck. Ratings of course =money, taht's what's driving this I think
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:20 AM
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28. When was the losing VP candidate more popular with her party than the actual nominee?
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 10:21 AM
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29. obsessing on a failin palin.
how sick.
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AgadorSparticus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 07:26 PM
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34. I was thinking of this the other day and realized that I tune in to see what nonsense is going on
too because...it's entertaining in a sick way. Did she figure out where Africa is finally? Does she think that Guantanamo Bay is an all inclusive resort in the carribean? I'm waiting for that one. It's the same sick reason why I (and yes, I am ashamed to admit this...but...) I read hollywood tabloid magazines. She's just the political joke that never stops. And I think, because I truly, TRULY DETEST this woman, that I secretly enjoy watching her make an absolute ass of herself publicly. It's not a nice thing to say. But I think it is true.
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Raschel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-13-08 08:10 PM
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35. I must admit I watch her for the same reasons you stated.
Except I have to add that I'm waiting for her to fall on her face. And that's not nice either. But it's true.
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