So, Lieberman is telling the dems what to do again. If you boot me from my chairmanship

[EV_Ares]

I will leave the party. Personally, I thought he had already done that with the things he said about our new President and speaking at the republican convention.

Appears Harry may back down according to CNN sources.

[The Shadow]

1. Hey Joe, Fuck You!!!!!!!

What don't you understand Joe. You ain't being asked...your being told! Now shut the fuck up!

[Lint Head]

2. Leave the fucking party PLEASE!

We don't need are want you! You are irrelevant :dem:

[iamthebandfanman]

3. he already got voted outa the party

what other clues does he need to fuck off?

[Starlight]

63. Exactly. WTF is he talking about?

[JitterbugPerfume]

4. does either party want someone they can't trust?

I have lost my last ounce of patience with him .

[backscatter712]

58. Precisely why I think we should call him on his threats,

yank his committee chairs and let him defect to the Republicans - it doesn't matter whether he's with their party our our party, at least he'll be doing nothing but sitting on the back bench. And if the Republicans want to try cutting deals with that viper, let 'em. :popcorn:

[TexasObserver]

5. Will someone please tell Joe he's not welcome anywhere Democrats gather.

ANYWHERE.

Take that one vote, and stick it where the sun don't shine, Joe!

[Lost-in-FL]

6. I'll say leave him alone.

he digged his own grave when he supported McSame.

There are more important things than talking about Lieberman (I realized). We are giving him too much credit and we do not need him, the republicans need him. Let the people of Connecticut deal with him. They broke it, they need to fix it.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

7. Harry? Back down? Surely you jest.

Do you have any idea how strongly worded a letter this man can write?

[hisownpetard]

12. OMG - I posted the same thing, verbatim!

The extra minute on my part is due to debating whether to spell it "surely"
or "Shirley."
You beat me to it!

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

16. You dang plagarist.

I'm flying a team of copyright lawyers out to Massachusetts right now.

:D

[hisownpetard]

41. Will they want to inventory my clothes, too?

:beer:

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

48. Yes, and you better have receipts.

[Cleita]

8. Harry may not be Senate Majority Leader in January if you harass your

senators to elect someone else. That may take care of Joementum right there. To tell the truth even if Reid backs down, I don't think Joe will have much clout anymore. They will simply ignore him.

[creeksneakers2]

25. Lieberman could cause lots of trouble

If he uses his committee to help Republicans go on witch hunts against Obama like they did to Clinton. I don't care where Lieberman caucuses but he shouldn't have the power of a committee chairmanship.

[Cleita]

34. Well, I hope they clip his wings too, but I think whatever power

he may think he has is very diminished now. He's plainly outnumbered. I think Republicans will probably become part of the wood paneling as well in the next session of Congress in both parties.

[Bonn1997]

65. He'll never win re-election in Conn if he does that

[hisownpetard]

9. Harry, back down?? Surely you jest.

[Phredicles]

10. "Harry may back down": I am shocked, SHOCKED...

:eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes::eyes:

Can we PLEASE replace this worthless invertebrate?*

*epithet 'worthless' added to differentiate Reid from really valuable invertebrates like earthworms and honerbees.

[Hieronymus]

37. I second that motion. A Mr. Peepers.

[Marsala]

11. What sources say that Reid may back down?!

That would be infuriating. Lieberman would have shown that he can do anything he wants with no punishment.

[Old Codger]

15. He had

A good example and he has been following in *'s footsteps ever since.. anything goes and no consequences, and Reid hasn't got the balls to stand up to them , if he lets this go he should go.

[bluestateguy]

13. What a drama queen

Boot his ass. If he wants his chairmanship back he can earn it back by supporting President Obama.

[Starlight]

61. I agree. If he wants it, he has a long, long way to go to earn it.

[crossroads]

14. Leave! We don't need a fox (faux) lurking in the hen house!

[Metta]

17. He left a long time ago and betrayed the party.

Not to mention his integrity.

[afridemo]

29. Yes, long time ago, even before he was made Gore's running mate.

He was with the repugs attacking Clinton. He was also too soft against Cheney in the debates.

[Metta]

31. Good points.

Happy karma, Joe.

[graywarrior]

18. I'm sick to death with his drama queen tactics

It's amazing how everything, including an Obama election, becomes about him. What an attention getting, ego-centric, whining waste of space. He should be banned for life, just like I was from several liquor establishments. Joe, go retire somewhere. Write a book. Learn to knit. Just go away and maybe we won't remind you what a traitor you are.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

24. Sadly, I doubt he's going anywhere. He's AIPAC's favorite front man...

...and if they have their way he'll be in the White House one day.

[graywarrior]

28. How much longer can he possibly live?

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

47. I don't know, but he shore is purdy.

[Starlight]

62. That should be irrelevant. This isn't Israel.

[Mr_Jefferson_24]

66. Should be, I agree -- but it's not...

...Harry is spineless and risk offending AIPAC under any circumstances.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

19. I would fire Joe Lieberman for good

we don't need him that bad.

[Ozma]

20. Hey Joe, standing next the Sarah Palin and John McInsane, you must know

by now, that you are NOT anything close to a Democrat any more, and your departure is now finalized in pictures of you and Sarah, and all the rest of that low-life rich hillbilly trash. Now I hear you want to campaign for Chambliss.... campaign your heart out, Joe, you scoundrel, and when you come back to the Senate, expect to see your Senate office budget cut, your office moved to a basement men's room, and your franking privileges removed. I hear there is a recall petition starting in Connecticut as we speak.

[BunkerHill24]

once again...Joe goes, or Harry goes!

[ingac70]

21. He's already left the Party.

Fuck him. CT will get rid of his ass next go 'round because he has no power.

[WindRiverMan]

22. hmmmm....tough one here.

Do you let him keep his chairmanship and still caucus with the Dems? It will help when they invoke cloture, because we were namby pambies who were afraid to actually USE the filibuster, do not think for a MOMENT the republicans will have to scruple to do so.

On the other hand, what he did was pretty unforgivable.

I vote let him keep it with this stern warning "Joe, the first time you vote against us, the first time you jump ship and vote with the Republicans, well Joe, I will consider that the last time."

[Dr Fate]

35. Are Joes' constituents going to support anti-Obama obstructionism?

I fail to see why parading around like a Republican obstructionist in front of his constituents is an option for him.

Wouldnt he risk losing re-election if he changes his stripes too much?

[WindRiverMan]

46. I think Joe believes that he can continue to win like he did last time.

On the backs of Republicans and pulling enough Indies and Dems to keep his seat. I don't know if he has enough backers to jump ship and stay solvent in future Senate Races.

[Dr Fate]

52. We also have to factor in 100% Electoral Blue New England DEMS and DEMS nation wide...

...who would be watching this and supporting efforts to oust him.

[jeff30997]

23. Hey Joe...

The door is wide opened




And I hope it will kick you really hard in the ass on your way out!

[bain_sidhe]

26. Steve Benen made a good point...

The committee that Lieberman is fighting so hard to keep chairing, the Senate Committee on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, is responsible for oversight of the executive branch.

As Benen points out...

As chairman of this committee for the last two years, Lieberman decided not to pursue any accusations of wrongdoing against the Bush administration. Lieberman's House counterpart -- Rep. Henry Waxman's Oversight Committee -- was a vigilant watchdog, holding hearings, issuing subpoenas, and launching multiple investigations. Lieberman preferred to let his committee do no real work at all. It was arguably the most pathetic display of this Congress.

And yet, now Lieberman acts as if keeping this chairmanship is the single most important part of his public life. Why would he be so desperate to keep the gavel of a committee he hasn't used? I'll let you in on a secret: he wants to start using the power of this committee against Obama.

Lieberman didn't want to hold Bush accountable, but he seems exceedingly anxious to keep the committee that would go after Obama with a vengeance, effectively becoming a Waxman-like figure -- holding hearings, issuing subpoenas, and launching investigations against the Democratic president.

Lieberman doesn't care about "reconciliation," he cares about going after a Democratic administration. Why else would he fight diligently to be chairman of one committee instead of another?

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_11/015577.php

If the price of keeping Lieberman in the Dem caucus is to give him the power to do to Obama what the Repubs did to Clinton after 1994, then the price is too high. Even if he would be the 60th member. Besides which, even if he IS the 60th member of the Democratic caucus, there's little indication that he'd be a reliable 60th VOTE to end a filibuster, which is the only real value of a 60-member caucus over a 59-member caucus.

[Hansel]

27. What happened to "Country First"? He got over that quickly. n/t

[Joe Chi Minh]

30. The so-called "nuclear option" seems a far less despotic expedient than

an Executive Order by the President, and would make Lieberman's vote as redundant to the Democratic Senators in very principle, as he might otherwise have made it obstructive to them in practice.

[Hepburn]

32. What in the hell reason would we ~~ as Dems ~~ want the Lieber-RAT in our party?

Like him saying he is gonna leave is a threat???

LOL...:rofl:

[Dr Fate]

33. Harry Reid- back down? That doesnt sound like something he would do!

LOL! Just kidding.

[Medusa]

36. Who the hell does he think he is?

To give US dictates when he's been a fucking turncoat? What's he going to do? Go to the 'pubs? Please--what can they give him? Not a damn thing.

[BeyondGeography]

38. He's a little bitch

Let him walk.

[ljm2002]

39. Er, he was not elected as a Democrat...

...ergo, he's not even *in* the party to begin with.

Lame.

[niyad]

40. "good-bye joe, you gotta go.. . "

[New Dawn]

42. Fuck Lieberman, and he already left to form the "Connecticut for Lieberman Party"

He should be kicked out of the caucus.

[okieinpain]

43. can someone tell me what the benefit of keeping liberman is. n/t.

[Vinca]

44. Can't his constituents recall him? What a miserable, little SOB. nt

[surrealAmerican]

45. He sounds so much like an angry four-year-old.

Makes it hard to take him too seriously.

[1Hippiechick]

49. "If you boot me from my chairmanship I will leave the party." Promises, promises. n/t

[opihimoimoi]

50. Persona non grata...and ole Harry ain't backin down....

[dansolo]

51. We should kick him out

I don't want him saying that he chose to leave. I want to make it completely clear that he was kicked out.

[DearAbby]

53. There isn't

a (D) Behind your fucking name Liarman. Jesus, Pukes are so ignorant.

[onenote]

54. sources for your "sources"

All I've seen and heard is that Reid's position is that Lieberman should lose his Homeland Security chairmanship, but that he's willing to consider giving Lieberman a lesser committee chair. Its a sensible position since the benefit of keeping LIeberman in the caucus is that it ultimately impacts, in a positive way, the assigment of seats to other committees. That being said, however, I wouldn't cave to Lieberman's demands. Offer him something and call his bluff. Its his decision to walk if he walks -- and he won't get anything worth shit from the repubs.

[bronxiteforever]

55. Lieberman quote and my opinion

"The choice could not be more clear: between one candidate, John McCain, who’s had experience, been tested in war and tried in peace, another candidate who has not,’’ Mr. Lieberman said. “Between one candidate, John McCain, who has always put the country first, worked across party lines to get things done, and one candidate who has not. Between one candidate who’s a talker, and the other candidate who’s the leader America needs as our next president.”

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/08/12/lieberman-obama-has-not-always-put-country-first/


I disagree with a punitive political point of view. And yes I agree that President Obama set the right tone for our party. "Look forward, change the economy and fight for the classes who haven't had a seat at the table for so long".

Despite my spirit of understanding and forward vision which I obtained from the leader of our party, President elect Obama, there is no way, no how that Senator Lieberman should be involved in a committeee where he would be in a position to undermine the POTUS. If we must keep him, give him a different committee but for the love of all that is holy (intended use of the word) please keep Lieberman away from areas where he can harm our President.

He is untrustworthy in the extreme and in his bitterness, he would use a committee chairmanship to create a witch hunt atmosphere. Please Senator Reid protect our party, our President and our future. Disarm this angry man so he will not inflict injury to our cause,our party and the President.

[Hippo_Tron]

56. Toss Lieberman out on his ass and dare him to vote with the GOP on President Obama's agenda

Obama won Connecticut by 21 points. If Lieberfuck has any slight interest of being re-elected he will be singing a rousing chorus of hail to the chief no matter which party he is in.

[mac56]

57. I asked this in another thread =

If we let Lieberman keep his position =

What message does it send to other members of the Senate and House, who did stay "on message" with Obama and Biden as the nominees? Especially those who did so at risk of some loss of popularity in their home states or districts?

What message does it send to the Republicans if we don't draw Lieberman up short? Maybe that we're every bit as spineless as before?

Kick his sorry McCain-loving ass to the curb.

[bobd0]

59. If Reid backs down he needs to lose his leadership position too.

This is just getting ridiculous. If that little traitorous prick Lieberman can push Reid around then Reid doesn't have what it takes to be senate majority leader. Period.

[dcindian]

60. The republican party is a dead end for Joe the Traitor.

Let him bolt he will be out in the next election. A true democrat will win his seat it's a win win.

[against all enemies]

64. If the Democrats cave in to Lieberman, then they don't want me.