Lower Income and Middle Class, How Much Will You Save?

[deminflorida]

http://www.clark04.com/taxcalculator/

Go to the following link and figure it out.

As a Clark Supporter I promise to attempt to post this calculator on as many bulletin boards and chat-rooms in America over the next two weeks!

[Demobrat]

1. 0 for me.

Clark to gays and singles: screw you, you don't matter.

[deminflorida]

17. You do Matter!

Gay people and singles are important to the Clark Campaign as well as all America...

Expanded benefits for low-income adults without children. Clark's Tax Reform builds on the existing EITC for childless adults, raising the maximum credit from $382 to $500.

No families with incomes under $200,000 will be hurt by Families First Tax Reform. No families with incomes under $200,000 will pay more in taxes than they do today.

http://clark04.com/issues/familiesfirst/

[bearfartinthewoods]

23. but people living alone, gay or straight don't and these people

understand the true nature of the clark plan...

pander ....not progressive

[skippysmom]

2. couldn't do it

married with no children wasn't an option.

[deminflorida]

Maybe this will help...

Expanded benefits for low-income adults without children. Clark's Tax Reform builds on the existing EITC for childless adults, raising the maximum credit from $382 to $500.

No families with incomes under $200,000 will be hurt by Families First Tax Reform. No families with incomes under $200,000 will pay more in taxes than they do today.


http://clark04.com/issues/familiesfirst/

[bearfartinthewoods]

24. gain with the cut and paste BS attempt to obviscate the true nature of

clark's plan...to pander to people making up to 200,000 dollars and turn his back on people making 10% of that.

pandering is not progressive

[deminflorida]

27. Like it...

http://clark04.com/issues/familiesfirst/

The working poor pay nothing....

[bearfartinthewoods]

34. "The working poor pay nothing"....only if they have children....

14,000 single pays 700.00
are you saying someone earning 14,000 isn't working or insn't poor?

700.00 dollars is probably two months rent....

[BuelahWitch]

32. Neither was single with no children

Guess I better rev up the baby making machine if Clark's elected???

[afraid_of_the_dark]

3. The calculator is incomplete...

What about married couples without children? I guess I'm just screwed then.

[deminflorida]

14. Nope....

Expanded benefits for low-income adults without children. Clark's Tax Reform builds on the existing EITC for childless adults, raising the maximum credit from $382 to $500.

No families with incomes under $200,000 will be hurt by Families First Tax Reform. No families with incomes under $200,000 will pay more in taxes than they do today.

Go read the plan at www.clark04.com

[bearfartinthewoods]

19. even though you are spamming the thread with this cut and paste BS

we still understand the real impact of the clark plan.

[alonso_quijano]

4. Disappointing....

It doesn't even allow the OPTION of entering 0 for the number of children. I can only assume that the childless are out in the cold on this one.

(and Clark is either my #1 or #2 choice, depending on my mood that day...)

[Renew Deal]

5. That's true

But I am excited. If I have a child, I will save almost $800. That pays for a lot of diapers.

[alonso_quijano]

16. I'm not against the plan itself....

There are many reasons (some political, some practical, some ethical) why people with children and people without might not share identical tax burdens. Clark's tax plan is bold and smart, and I'm sure he and his advisors have thought such issues through.

It's just that the new President (whoever that might be) will be the new President for everyone, with or without children. I'd much rather be able to enter 0 children and see no change in my taxes than to be disappointed that Clark (or, rather, his web people) think I don't exist. The first option is just political reality (and would even be refreshingly honest); the second is just thoughtless.

[rucky]

21. I wonder if the child/no child debate could be resolved if...

Families w/ children would be willing to forgo any additional credit - as long as the difference is earmarked for education.

just a thought.

[deminflorida]

10. Wrong....

http://clark04.com/issues/familiesfirst/

Expanded benefits for low-income adults without children. Clark's Tax Reform builds on the existing EITC for childless adults, raising the maximum credit from $382 to $500.

No families with incomes under $200,000 will be hurt by Families First Tax Reform. No families with incomes under $200,000 will pay more in taxes than they do today.

[bearfartinthewoods]

25. more cut and paste BS to try and justify clarks pander tax

pandering is not progressive

[libview]

6. sorry, this is BS

it says a married couple with 3 children and $25,000 per year income will save $2319 in federal income tax.
under current tax laws, there federal tax bill is $0.
Please explain, I'm just dying to hear this one.

[sandnsea]

8. FICA

He combines a variety of refundable tax credits into one amount per child so it covers ss/medicare taxes as well. Just like EIC does now, except he's simplified the way it is claimed.

[sandnsea]

7. This is great for families

My last child will be 18 soon, so it won't help me. But I don't mind paying more if it will help children get an education and more people get health care. Our country's tax system used to exclude working families from the tax system and we need to get back to that. Good plan General!

[HFishbine]

9. How Bogus

Where's the option for zero children?

[deminflorida]

12. Here ya go....

http://clark04.com/issues/familiesfirst/

Expanded benefits for low-income adults without children. Clark's Tax Reform builds on the existing EITC for childless adults, raising the maximum credit from $382 to $500.

No families with incomes under $200,000 will be hurt by Families First Tax Reform. No families with incomes under $200,000 will pay more in taxes than they do today.

[bearfartinthewoods]

18. just because you are spamming with this cut and paste BS

doesn't mean we don't still get the real impact of the clark plan.

[deminflorida]

30. I don't have to teach you that, that's Dean's plan already....

....

[bearfartinthewoods]

35. you have mistaken me for a dean supporter

[DoveTurnedHawk]

11. But, But, But, I Have NO KIDS, I Won't Save ANYTHING, What About MEEEEEEE!

I mean, who cares about poor and middle-class families, I'm not getting MINE, so THIS PLAN SUCKS!!1!1!!!!11!!!

DTH

[deminflorida]

13. Again here ya go...

http://clark04.com/issues/familiesfirst/

Expanded benefits for low-income adults without children. Clark's Tax Reform builds on the existing EITC for childless adults, raising the maximum credit from $382 to $500.

No families with incomes under $200,000 will be hurt by Families First Tax Reform. No families with incomes under $200,000 will pay more in taxes than they do today.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

15. I Guess I Wasn't Sarcastic Enough

;-)

DTH

[afraid_of_the_dark]

22. Robbing from the poor

I just don't find it amusing that they can take money from me, a student who barely can cover living expenses for myself and my husband (who is currently out of work because his job "disappeared" overseas). Just because I'm not contributing to the gene pool right now, I'm not important? Oh wait, I'm important enough to take money from.

[KaraokeKarlton]

26. I'm somewhere between poor and lower middle class

and I won't benefit anything from Clark. I have gotten all I've paid in back for 20 years. I also get some I didn't even pay in through Earned Income Credit since I'm a single Mom. I didn't get any checks from Bush and I wouldn't benefit anything from Clark's plan. I also won't lose anything if all of Bush's tax cuts are repealed. I wouldn't call myself poor, but sometimes I struggle to make ends meet and other times I'm ahead. If Clark's plan is intended to help those who are struggling, he misses the mark totally.

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[KaraokeKarlton]

40. Oh, I'm hardly illiterate

However, I might suggest that you go back and read my post again. I did point out that I'm a single mother. As a result, your repeated posting of "Expanded benefits for low-income adults without children" would NOT apply to me. Frankly, I would take more care in questioning whether or not someone is "illiterate" if I were you, especially since you didn't catch the part where I have children.

:eyes:

[KaraokeKarlton]

20. I won't save anything

All of my taxes already get refunded and have for 20 years. I haven't benefitted anything from Bush's cuts, I won't benefit from Clark's cuts and I won't be hurt a bit if all Bush's tax cuts are repealed.

[deminflorida]

29. But, you will....from 382 to 500....

http://clark04.com/issues/familiesfirst/

Expanded benefits for low-income adults without children. Clark's Tax Reform builds on the existing EITC for childless adults, raising the maximum credit from $382 to $500.

No families with incomes under $200,000 will be hurt by Families First Tax Reform. No families with incomes under $200,000 will pay more in taxes than they do today.

[leftyandproud]

36. Pardon me...but this is PATHETIC

I saved much more under Shrub than I will save under Clark...not that this is gonna make me change my vote...I still want him gone, even if my taxes go up. It's worth it.

[KaraokeKarlton]

41. No I won't. I am a single mother with 4 children.

The measly $118 you apparently view as a windfall that will barely buy a pair of good sneakers. I wouldn't even get that silly little cut anyhow because I have children. The point I'm making that you seem to keep missing is that Clark's ridiculous tax cut idea does NOT help low-income to lower-middle class people with children because they already get all their taxes they paid back anyhow. His plan will only give another cut to people who are doing just fine while taking money away from important social services that the lower income families rely on so much. It's a piss poor idea and you don't fix problems caused by tax cuts by giving more tax cuts. That's the Bush model and frankly, I want NO part of it.

[Demobrat]

31. And of course if your'e a grandparent

raising your child's children, or a single helping with a sibling's expenses (like me, I'm paying for a nephew's education), or anybody who falls outside the traditional family model, screw you and your children too.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

33. When *any* candidate...

out there starts recognizing that some of us are single, and we cannot even THINK of getting married, much less DATING because we are too poor from un/underemployment, then, he or she will have hit me between the eyes with a 2x4 and will have gotten my intention.

I do admire the man, but I am getting f***ing sick and tired of the constant pandering to families and the combat proctology performed upon those who are single from choice or circumstance.

I admire Gen. Clark. I really do. Having said that, this proposal does nothing to tip me his way, and in fact, annoys the living hell out of me. For the next 5 minutes, he and his campaign can go commit intercourse upon himself/itself.

But that, too, will pass.

[bowens43]

37. How is the good general

going to get a Republican controlled congress to pass a tax reform bill that does EXACTLY what they have always accused the left of trying to do? . A wealth redistribution plan will NEVER make it through a republican controlled congress and General Clark is well aware of this. Just more empty rhetoric.

[Cheswick2.0]

38. 0

:shrug:

[TrueAmerican]

39. I save 1500 under Clark' s and I am out 2000 under Dean's plan

You tell me who should I vote for.