Christian Group Launches Pro-Obama Ads

[Thrill]

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/471375.aspx

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1. The criteria..

:puke:

"Evangelicals" meet the born again criteria (described above) plus seven other conditions. Those include saying their faith is very important in their life today; believing they have a personal responsibility to share their religious beliefs about Christ with non-Christians; believing that Satan exists; believing that eternal salvation is possible only through grace, not works; believing that Jesus Christ lived a sinless life on earth; asserting that the Bible is accurate in all that it teaches; and describing God as the all-knowing, all-powerful, perfect deity who created the universe and still rules it today.

[bushisanidiot]

2. Sorry, but I see nothing wrong with a Christian group endorsing Obama.

Afterall, he IS a born-again Christian and is active in his faith and I respect him greatly for that.

[skooooo]

4. That's fine if they want to.

Personally I find their criteria offensive and patronizing and am happy to have nothing to do with it.

:hi:

[Clio the Leo]

19. And I find your tone a bit hypocritical but that's ok....

.... I still loves ya Skooooo. ;)

I disagree with atheists, STRONGLY disagree with what some atheists believe but, at this point, I'll take any vote for Obama I can get. I'm certainly not gonna vent any frustration I have for them while they're in the middle of endorsing the next POTUS. And, if it's any consolation, I feel the same way about the Methodists and the Baptists. I'm Church of Christ, we're about as holier than thou as it gets. :)

Just know that we're not ALL the evil meanies that you seem to think we are.

[skooooo]

23. I love Christians.

I don't like the kind of "Christians" who are patronizing and feel they have to force their beliefs on you. For some reason, the article makes a point of stressing the tenets of evangelicals - that I find offensive. There are plenty of Christians who have problems with those tenets. If I were going to be a Christian, I would be one of the latter.

[Clio the Leo]

26. ok then, see, here's the problem......

the "Christians" you are talking about ..... aren't Christians. ;)

They're confused people.

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27. But they call themselves Christians..see.

And they separate themselves out with their "tenets." That's what I was talking about.
:shrug:

No worries.

:hi:

[Clio the Leo]

31. Well, I could go around calling myself a "maverick"...

... wouldn't make it so. ;)

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39. We only have one word...

..to talk about "them." So I don't know what the answer is.

[Diamonique]

5. Yeah... I don't see the problem here.

Obama is a Christian. A Christian group endorsed him.

What am I missing?

[skooooo]

9. Well there is a lot of room for ...

...putting other religions down. If you believe your way is the ONLY way to God, I find that troublesome, and I doubt that Obama believes that anyway. This is one of the tenets of their beliefs.

I don't have a problem with them endorsing Obama, that's fine. I just don't think all of their "criteria" are as warm and fuzzy as others do I guess.

[The Stranger]

15. What are you missing?

Only everything.

[rug]

6. Less suspect than endorsements from people who believe in Iraqi WMDs.

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7. please see response #4 nt

[Clio the Leo]

8. Fortunately MOST of the democratic party realizes.....

... that WE are the party of inclusion. ;)

Unlike the Republicans, we welcome all faiths, or lack there of, and do not beat one another down when our religious beliefs, or lack there of, do not agree with our own.

The reason why the Democratic party is going to win this election and win it handily, is because we recognize that our diversity is our greatest strength.

Or in other words...... "We worship an AWESOME God in the blue states....."

Chew on that cousin!

[Sebastian Doyle]

14. You don't believe Satan exists?

Now we know what all that "remodeling" at the Naval Observatory was all about. They were installing the portal to Hell! :evilgrin:

[yardwork]

17. WHAT is your problem? People have right to their beliefs.

I am totally opposed to any religious group attempting to take over the U.S. Constitution, but making fun of people's personal beliefs is out of bounds. The Constitution allows anyone to belief anything they choose. Making fun of people's beliefs is sickening.

[skooooo]

18. I don't care what people believe...

...as long as they don't try to force it on other people. That doesn't seem to be what evangelicals are about, so I find them offensive. No one is "making fun of it." I have a right to say NO to their intrusive beliefs if I want to.

[Clio the Leo]

22. Are there evangelicans running around tyings folks up....

... and making them sit and listen to a Bible Study? What is this "forcing it on other people" stuff? I live in the Bible Belt, Hang on, lemme look out my window ....... yeah .... everyone seems to be just walking around fine, enjoying their day. Cars driving up and down the street, past the five churches that are in my neighborhood. I dont see anyone getting car jacked and dragged inside any of them.

Or is this like when right tries to claim that gays and lesbians "force their beliefs on other people" simply by walking down the street, holding hands and minding their own business. Is that what you're talking about? ;)

[skooooo]

24. Were you forced..

...to go to a Christian school as a kid? Did you have to hide your thoughts from people you were around everyday? I thought not! I have a personal history that makes certain aspects of "Christianity" very, very distasteful.

[Clio the Leo]

30. You need a hug (((((Skooooo))))).....

.... technically I guess I WAS forced to go to a Christian school ... but not any more than I was forced to go to school period. I was also later "forced" to a school run by a bunch of those darned socialists. Somehow I managed to not come out of it all whacked in the head. lol

I will gladly concede that one of my greatest blessings is that I was born to a father who is not only a minister, but who is also as pinko-commie as they come.

I guess my question for you now is are you still being "forced"? I mean, seriously, if someone is FORCING you to do ..... anything ...... you call me and I'll get Joe and Barack and we'll stop them! lol 'Cause if you seriously know of examples where any religious group is physically forcing someone to do something against their will, well, we have bigger problems to worry about than this election.

Children are raised one way or the other, that's the beauty of having children, you get to tell them what to do and take them where you want to go. Make them wear funny outfits if that's what you feel like doing. But eventually they grow up and make their own decisions.

I'm sorry you have apparently been around some bad elements, I really am. But I can tell you unequivocally that I believe that the tenants of my faith are THE correct way and that any abstraction from them is incorrect. Otherwise, what would be the point in me believing them? I also believe that I have a moral obligation to SHARE those beliefs with anyone who WANTS to listen to them.

But I also know that God made us all free agents. We can play for any team we like, or not play at all, as long as we are prepared the face the consequences.

I also think Sarah Palin is frutier than a nutcake ..... just thought I'd throw that in. ;)

[skooooo]

38. I think there is power in groups....

And if someone is compelled to live around any group that feels they have a monopoly on truth, then there will be self-censorship and repression. This includes people who live in the Bible belt, and have to keep their mouths shut everyday at work when their co-workers keep a constant environment of their beliefs on display as the "accepted" religion.

Or forget about at work - anywhere. It is the feeling that you cannot say what you think because "Christians" will think you suspect, not one of "them," and as an outsider. It goes for families as well.

[LisaM]

28. I'll give you one example.

You hear a lot of athletes, after winning a game, getting up there and using the airwaves to spread the word. I can't stand it. If I'm watching a football game, the last thing I want at the end is for the athlete to thank Jesus for winning. (Among other things, it implies that Jesus wanted the other team to lose). I can't bear this trend - particularly at public-funded universities. I think it is a form of trying to enforce their beliefs.

I also don't like it when politicans say, "God Bless America" at the end of their speeches but I suppose there's no hope of getting rid of that at the moment.

And yes, I do consider myself a Christian.

[Clio the Leo]

33. But that's the beauty of being a winner.....

... you get to stand up in front of a crowd and rep whomever you like. And that's the beauty of living in this country.

Of course the OTHER benefits of both things is that you can go to Disney World, but that's beside the point.

The OTHER good thing about this country is that the good Lord gave us televisions with many channels and remotes that feature "mute" buttons. ;)

He also gave us pie. But that doesn't really have anything to do with anything.

[LisaM]

36. I personally think the good Lord intended people to be gracious winners

though I guess that's a whole different conversation.

I *like* legitimate post-game commentary. How am I supposed to know ahead of time someone's going to break into a sermon?

I wish just once they'd interview one of these people after they lost and say, "why do you think Jesus made you drop that ball/throw that interception/commit that fumble?.....etc."

[Clio the Leo]

37. Well now THAT I agree with.....

... I do NOT support the notion that God takes active interest in helping someone win any kind of competitive event.

But that is a LOT different than saying "God Bless America!" ;)

Every night I pray that God keeps Barack safe and that he helps him to say and do the right thing.

Neither one of them have dissapointed me yet.

[olegramps]

42. I am glad that you are so independent that you can resist group think.

It seems to me that you only believe what you were indoctrinated to believe. To which you are most welcome. I have to contend that an independent thinker wouldn't appear to be so cavalier and smug in their assurances that they are somehow in possession of absolute truth.

Every person that has arrived on this earth are just the same as me. They had no prior knowledge of the existence of anything before their birth. They are a blank slate. They only know what they have experienced and what they have been told by the very same people that are in the same situation as themselves. All mankind has searched for the origin of their being. Just because someone sat down and wrote out some of their fantasies doesn't make them any more believable than other human being's imaginative ramblings. I have head ministers talk about God and Heaven like they had actually met Him or Her and went on an excursion of the place. You would think they, for all the pretenses, are on a first name basis when their so call infallible knowledge isn't anything more valid than that of the least educated aborigine. I would think that a course in Comparative Religions could be rather shocking.

[Joe Chi Minh]

44. You talk an awful lot of nonsense. I was brought back to the Catholic

faith by a book on comparative religion. And the author, Aldous Huxley, was a Vedantist Hindu, and incidentally, something of an acid head.

[olegramps]

45. How do you reconcile your Church's beliefs with your support of Obama

Normal I would not respond except that you choose to say a I talk a lot of nonsense. Well, maybe you can enlighten me since you are so vastly more intelligent.

Obama is pro-choice and the Catholic Church doesn't allow abortion in any case what so ever. Not in cases of rape, incest or even the threat to a mother life. The Catholic Church adamently condemns any form of contraceptive birth control and even the use of condoms to prevent the spead of AIDs by people who have become infected. They condemn as evil even some person who has never had sexual relations and wishes to marry and have normal sexual relations.

How in the world a study of comparative religions brought you back to the Catholic Church is beyond comprehension, but if it indeed did and you are happy with it, great. I see that the archbishop of Denver, Caput, has again come out condemning Catholics who vote for a any politican that opposes the Catholic Church's teachings. Do you think that this is an abuse of relgious authority just as in the case of evangelicals? I can only conclude that the Catholic hierarcy supports McCain for president and his 100 years war, trillions of dollars in debt, over 4000 American servicemen dead and tens of thousands seriously wounded, four million Iraqis driven into exile, thousands of Iraqis murdered. Need I go on?

[Joe Chi Minh]

46. It's quite straighforward. The Catholic Church recognises that it cannot impose

the full extent of its teachings on a nation, directly or indirectly, but its position is the sensible one, I believe, expressed when asked a similar question in relation to support for John Kerry's candidacy: namely, that it is better to have good Christian input from a good Christian leader, even if it means the person in question cannot enforce compliance with the Church's teachings. There is still a lot of Christian influence that he will be able to exert through his role in the legislature and government of the country.

Pope John Paul was a vehemently against the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and very cynical about US capitalism, despite his experience of Communism and his vehement repudiation of that. I don't believe Benedict's position is any different.

"They condemn as evil even some person who has never had sexual relations and wishes to marry and have normal sexual relations."

What are you talking about?

[yardwork]

41. Most evangelicals are not trying to take over the country with their beliefs.

Making barfing signs and mocking people's beliefs when they're just following their own faith is "making fun of it."

Save your outrage for the Dominionists. They really are trying to take over the country. Christians supporting Obama are on our side.

[nichomachus]

43. My problem is the same as my problem with Sarah Palin

The minute someone defines criteria for what a "real Christian" is, then I'm offended -- just as I'm offended when Palin talks about "real Americans." What these people are saying is that anyone who doesn't buy their set of beliefs isn't "real." That's truly offensive. Why do these people get to claim that no one should question their beliefs, but they get to question everyone else's beliefs.

BAH.

[grantcart]

20. The criteria was simply used by the pollster to divide Christians into evangelical and

non evangelical groups rather than relying on self identification labels.

[cosmik debris]

3. I just X-posted that in the R/T forum

I hope you don't mind.

[riqster]

10. Nice to see that formerly solid bloc start to crack a bit nt

[Peacetrain]

11. Well I look at it this way... If the Buddhists for Obama came in with a national endorsement

I can almost guarantee, there would be a 100% high five from all the posters for the Buddhists taking a stand. Now Obama is a Christian with a capital C and so I am confused why anyone would question him getting an endorsement from his own faith body.

Did I miss something?? :shrug:

[skooooo]

13. I can't tell if you read the other posts.

Buddhists don't think their way is the only way. Evangelicals do. That's my problem with them. It's fine and I'm happy they want to vote for Obama, but I hope they don't expect their "tenets" to become part of the Democratic party.

Specifically: "believing that eternal salvation is possible only through grace"

[Clio the Leo]

12. If we could swing the conservative, values voters back to our side...

..... the Republicans would never win another election.

There are just as many arguments as to why a Christian should be a Democrat as to why she should be a Republican. To allow the Republican party to monopolize the values crowd like we have is a shame.

The argument is clear .... there is one man running for President who has made leading a Christian life MORE than just political rhetoric ..... and it ain't John McCain.

Somehow we have just given up on the Christian vote and allowed them to convince themselves that McCain/Palin is the ticket that best represents their values.

Not only is that incorrect, it's disgraceful.

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16. There's a difference between Christians and evangelicals.

Christians don't want to force their beliefs on you, evangelicals do.

[crazylikafox]

21. There are almost NO reasons why a Christian should be a Republican

If you truly follow the teachings of Jesus.

Just sayin....

[Clio the Leo]

35. I know, and if I hear one more "Christian" call Obama a socialist....

.... and whine about him "taking their hard earned money" I'm gonna ..... I dont know .... force my beliefs on them or something! lol

I think I'll just start asking them, "and exactly how much money have YOU given to charity this year?"

Yep, that'll shut them up.

"Depart from me, you accursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. For I was hungry and you gave me no food,.." Matt. 25:41-42.

"For the judgment is merciless to one who has not shown mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment. What good is it, my brothers, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can that faith save him? If a brother or sister has nothing to wear and has no food for the day, and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, keep warm, and eat well," but you do not give them the necessities of the body, what good is it? So also faith of itself, if it does not have works, is dead." James 2:13-17.

and then there's my all time favorite.......

"The community of believers was of one heart and mind, and no one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they had everything in common.
With great power the apostles bore witness to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great favor was accorded them all. There was no needy person among them, for those who owned property or houses would sell them, bring the proceeds of the sale, and put them at the feet of the apostles, and they were distributed to each according to need." Acts 4:32-35


See ...... us "libruls" can quote the Bible too! ;)

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40. I think Jesus was a socialist.

That's why I can't say I have any problem with Christians who follow Christ's teachings and examples.

After that, it gets pretty shaky.

[cjsmom44]

25. There is NOTHING wrong with this ad

I find the ad wonderful!
I am sorry that others do not...we all come from different faith walks or no faith affiliation, but Obama is a Christian why shouldn't he talk about his faith. If he was hindu, pagan or whatever I would feel the same, everyone's spirituality is individual for them.
If a Christian group would like to spread to other Christians Obama's faith during election season I see NO problem with that.
I do however have a problem with the kind of religious nut cases that Palin ally's herself with ..
Not all Christians fall under one roof...they are not all the same...there are MANY pro Obama Christians! Lets make sure we don't label all Christians as the same. It is true however that the actions of the radical Christian Right have wounded MANY people with their radical views and their inability to separate church from state. There is NO questions there....
But please remember that a huge number of Obama's supporters are Christian...

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29. I'd like to address your post...

...but you are starting out with some assumptions that aren't in any of my posts, anyway.

It would seem to me that since the article specifies a number of "tenets" and defines this Christian group as "evangelicals," there is plenty of room for discussion.

No, I am fine if they vote for Obama, but please don't put words in my mouth.

[cjsmom44]

32. Didn't Intend to...

Sorry if that was implied.....

[stuntcat]

34. I'm sharing this

I'm sharing it with the "Christians" who've been sending me anti-Obama conspiracy theories in my e-mail. They're just being scared racists, that has nothing to do with church or goodness.