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SeekingTruth Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:37 AM
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No Kidding - How the Swiftboat Ads May Dramatically Help Kerry/Edwards...
Oh, how I just love the ghost of the Pyhrric victory...

There is a chance that the media will have to cover Kitty Kelley's tales about Bush drug use, abortions and other things because of the coverage the Swiftboat people got. Democratic insiders should be reminding all the media outlets about how many lies and fabrications were behind the Swiftboat claims, that they must give equal time to Kitty Kelley's book....

This on top of Sen Bob Graham's book...

So maybe the Swiftboat people will actually turn out to be an asset...
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xray s Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:43 AM
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1. you want the American public to take notice
have the National Enquirer publish excepts from Kelly's book.

Oh...and why equate Kelly's book with the Swift Boat attacks? Is there any proof her "tales" are "lies and fabrications"?
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:50 AM
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6. I believe Ms. Kelley has one thing the smear boat vets don't have...
An eye witness: the ex-Mrs. Neil Bush.
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SeekingTruth Donating Member (370 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 02:10 AM
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9. Vanity Fair Article...
Vanity Fair did an article on her about a year ago. I still have it, but haven't read it yet - though mean to. In it though, she says Neil Bush gave her herpes and left her high and dry while doing all of his bachelor type things.

But what is really sick, is that the media interviewed this jerk at the Repuglican Convention with his kids next to him. Oddly, the boy looked, sounded and acted just like Dubya. He had that same smirk and shrugging laugh. No kidding. It gave me chills.

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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:51 AM
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2. Kitty Kelly is one of Larry King's favorite guests. She's been on
his show many, many times. So this book should get a lot of TV time on King alone. And Kelly usually does Q&A when she's on his show. Could be fun to watch. :evilgrin:

Being the loyal person that I am, I took the DU oath to ban CNN from my life. :) BUT, I might watch when she goes on to plug this book. And I have no doubt that she will go on King, unless the WH grabs Larry by the suspenders and threatens to hang him if he puts her on the show.
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:02 AM
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3. I hope you're right, but I'm not as confident.
The smear-boaters are effective because more of them keep coming out of the woodwork to feed the story (almost as if planned!) and more importantly, their smear ads are repeated free of charge on RW radio ad nasuem.

Their relative small and localized media buy was amplified 100-fold and on a national basis because of the complicity of AM whack-job radio. It was because of this that Kerry responded, which gave the story enough legs for the cable shows to go with it on a daily basis. The whole story became self-perpetuating.

The Kelley story will get a few days if we're lucky and then die. The Hardball/Oreilly types will give it one day, chimpco will issue a statement saying the book is not worthy of comment, and that will be that.
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:57 AM
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7. Considering Ms. Kelley got the help of one of the * exes...
That alone is more credible than a cartel of disgruntled vets who keep changing the name of their group. I have a feeling Hardball/Countdown will make an issue about this, considering a lot of the book's material came from Dubya's sister-in-law.
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delete_bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:19 AM
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13. We'll just have to stay tuned...
by the way, that's a very flattering pic of the chimp and his lovely bride!
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gospelized Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:04 AM
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4. this book
combined with graham's book, combined with F9/11 coming out on DVD in october (he's even trying to get it on television before the election), makes me pretty excited.
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loudsue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 02:20 AM
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11. What?? MM might get F9/11 on tee-vee before Nov. 2???
:bounce: That would be perfect!! :bounce:

By the way, gospelized....

:hi::party::silly: Welcome to DU!! :hi::toast::beer:

:kick::kick::kick:
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Dem2theMax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:06 AM
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12. He's hoping, but not counting on it. Read up here -
Why I Will Not Seek a Best Documentary Oscar (I'm giving it up in the hopes more voters can see "Fahrenheit 9/11")


http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-09-06

And people say he's 'unamerican.' He's more of an American than * could ever dream of being.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 08:49 AM
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15. Hi gospelized!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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usregimechange Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 01:07 AM
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5. Who is Kelly? What is her book? nt
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pacalo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 02:04 AM
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8. Here you go...
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GOPAgainstGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 02:12 AM
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10. HERE YOU GO - ALL THE "INSIDER" DIRT ON THE BOOK-GOOD READ!!!
I will share this email - NRK

RE: Proof of any of these Kitty Kelley allegations? - This Republican Knows!

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Your points, you stated are highly valid about the Dems sticking to key issues important to the Country. However, the public likes this tabolid trash gossip stuff, which to me is very sad.

It's like they self-medicated with junk like Kitty Kelley books. So give them one on Bush, to hell with it. Who are we to disipline the desires of the marketplace.

Further we are not going to say what is true and not true in the book. That is for the public to decide!

I presume you saw the full page ad for her book in the Republican National Convention Guide. H.W. Bush and Karl Rove went nuts when they found out! It was a beautiful sucker punch by some Democrat "friends".

This is the reason the GOP went nuts and rigged the 11 point Bush lead Poll, put out 5 different pure fraud articles on Kerry via various news organizations, and fired up the Willie Horton type Kerry ad coming out 9/7. I wrote about it several times per below attachment.

You do good work, keep it up!

Regards,

NKR

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Beltway and Texas Republicans
Against Bush-Cheney ’04, Inc.
------------------------------
"Insider’s News”, Vol 1 - Kerry-Edwards Campaign Doing Well
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x748458
“Insider’s News” Vol 1.1 - Great Anti-Bush Sites
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x756409

~~~~~~~~~
Attachment
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Related DU Threads:
Huge Bush "Real Dirt" Books to Hit Stores - The September Surprise
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=735192&mesg_id=735192

Kitty Kelley Dupes the Republican National Convention - GOP Hits Back!
Time, NewsWeek, and Other Magic Bush Lead Polls-Are GOP Rigged

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x744192

Concluding Strategy Post:
-------------------------------
The Bush-GOP got blindsided by the full page ad for Kelley's book, in the Convention brochure, and it caused a major fuss at the Convention. We know for a fact that Papa H.W. Bush went ballistic!

That is why the GOP-Bush-Texas Mafia machine is striking back so hard with all the new rigged polls, new smear ads, new moveon.org clone GOP 527 to run a new type of Willie Horton and the blacks smear against Kerry, exactly like Papa Bush did in 1988 against Michael Dukakis, blah, blah.

It’s an excellent tactic by the "Democratic friends” :

1..Sucker punch the Bush-GOP Mafia,
2..The public never hears the story,
3..The Bush Mafia goes nuts and does stupid stuff in public that offends Republican voters,
4..The Democratic candidate(s) and the DNC take the positive campaign “high road” in the media
5..Republican voters retaliate and vote for the Democratic candidate.

It a beautiful move, and I guess the Bush-GOP idiots didn’t learn their lesson in the ’92 Clinton-Papa Bush Prez election. Papa Bush though he was going to win that ’92 election, and even Clinton though he was going to lose the night before the election. Next day Clinton slams Bush 370/168 electoral votes and the rest is history.

What happened, a massive number of Republicans voted against Bush. This “closet Republican” base doesn’t show up in poll numbers. They vote Democrat and many times never tell anyone or admit it to a pollster.

We know for a fact you are going to see this same event happen again in November 2004. There is a huge Republican base that wants no more of Bush-Cheney, including many in their home State of Texas. They will vote very strong for Kerry-Edwards and never show up in the poll numbers.

We think right now that this Republican “disgusted with Bush-Cheney” base is 8 -12 points in the polls for Kerry-Edwards that is underpolling/unreported. That a big number! - NKR

==========

AFTER “THE FAMILY” IS RELEASED, KITTY KELLEY WILL TOUR IN TEXAS TO PROMOTE HER BOOK EFFORTS.

"Family: The Real Story of the Bush Dynasty"
By Kitty Kelley
Release Date: 9/14/04

The “tell all” Queen lowers her journalistic hammer on the Family few dare touch, in an explosive don’t miss expose. Also Kitty starts her book tour in Texas the following week

HomePage: http://www.randomhouse.com/doubleday/thefamily/
Texas Monthly Author Series–Kitty Kelley: http://www.texasmonthly.com/authorseries
Amazon Books: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385503245/qid=1094490587/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_1/104-3957129-3771132?v=glance&s=books

Related DU Threads:
Huge Bush “Real Dirt” Books to Hit Stores – The September Surprise
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=735192&mesg_id=735192
Kitty Kelley Dupes the Republican National Convention – GOP Hits Back!
Time, NewsWeek, and Other Magic Bush Lead Polls-Are GOP Rigged

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x744192

===END===
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 05:30 AM
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14. Interesting take GOP against GW
I personally think that this book could have legs.

As a librarian I can tell you that Kitty Kelly's a popular author with a track record of getting real dirt on the rich and famous. People who wouldn't touch a more serious political book will read this one.

Democrats of course should stay the hell away from all of this. I hope Kelly's not an active Democrat by the way.
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GOPAgainstGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 11:42 AM
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16. Yelp, the tabloid trash business is a multi-billion industry. Sad but true
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Truth is True Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 11:59 AM
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17. Batten down the hatches! New smear vet group
About to release a documentary

http://www.stolenhonor.com/
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GOPAgainstGW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:01 PM
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18. Thanks For Heads-Up!!!!
We will dig into it.


------------------------------
Beltway and Texas Republicans
Against Bush-Cheney ’04, Inc.
------------------------------
"Insider’s News”, Vol 1 - Kerry-Edwards Campaign Doing Well
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x748458
“Insider’s News” Vol 1.1 - Great Anti-Bush Sites
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x756409
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:16 PM
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19. Quit pimping that shit.
Only you and the idiot set will watch that libel.
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Truth is True Donating Member (49 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:21 PM
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20. Sorry, I thought it was new
Today was the first I heard of it. I thought people would like to know what the wingers are planning, so we don't get taken by surprise like with the Smear Boat Liars.
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yellowcanine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:23 PM
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21. Methinks you give the media too much credit - here is exactly what will
happen. The media will use the swift boat example as the reason why they must not use Kelley's stuff - "We need to get beyond the he said, she said, and only report verifiable facts." Watch and see.
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GaryL Donating Member (413 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 12:26 PM
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22. Payback's a bitch!
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