Before you kick Powell again, do you remember this?

[helderheid]

I'm as enraged about his role in leading us to war as anyone, but http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dye_GkRPXuM">this move earned back much of my respect. ETA: The move was not made today.

[helderheid]

1. kick (yea, I see the irony)

[Buzz Clik]

2. Won't get much traction.

The usual gang of idiots also hate Tim Russert.

[helderheid]

22. yea...

*sigh*

:hi:

[kath]

32. "Gang of idiots" - give me a fuckin' break. Try informing yourself a bit, rather than wallowing in

ignorance.

[Buzz Clik]

33. I'm fully informed about both Russert and Powell, and I won't give you a fucking break.

My opinion of both of them is quite high and based on extensive exposure to both. Likewise, my exposure to the detractors of Russert and Powell has me convinced quite thoroughly that these haters are truly idiots.

Or, perhaps you can justify calling Powell a "token Negro" or war criminal without looking like an idiot. Can't be done.

[kath]

34. Do you just watch the teevee, or have you actually READ many of the links out there about

just how in-the-tank for the GOP Russert actually was, Powell's lies, his history of covering up My Lai,etc? If you think you can be "fully informed" by watching the teevee, then you are very sadly mistaken.
It's one thing to be ignorant, but to be willfully, stubbornly ignorant is quite another...

[Buzz Clik]

35. I don't watch television other than some sports.

Any other brilliant assumptions?

[kath]

37. So, where did you get your "extensive exposure" to Russert, oh "fully informed" one?

[Buzz Clik]

38. Were you aware that Russert actually has written things down?

I'm sending you to my idiot list in 3, 2, 1 ....

[kath]

42. well, you've been on my Ignorant List since the canonization of St. Timmeh of Buffalo.

Classified as Willfully Ignorant to borderline FSWI (Freakin' Stubbornly Willfully Ignorant), with the special notation of "Eek! Hopeless".
So you're not displaying anything new here today.

So PROUD of your ignorance, too.

Oh, yeah, and Russert has an illustrious body of insightful writings. Yeah. Right. Oughtta rank right up there in the annals of history with Common Sense, The Federalist Papers, and The Autobiography of Benjamin Franklin. What a great American patriot he was.

[trumad]

39. Yeah---and the usual ignoramous morans love him.

[Buzz Clik]

40. ... a list including Barack Obama.

I'll stick with Barack's judgment and flush yours.

[trumad]

41. and what would be that judgement?

Hey---I think it's great that Powell endorsed Obama--- but I'm a bit depressed at the DUers that think Powell is some kind of saint when he's a bonafide war criminal.

[Buzz Clik]

43. I'd flush this so-called judgment: "he's a bonafide war criminal"

Frankly, I wouldn't want a war criminal endorsing my candidate.

[Sydnie]

3. Yep, you make a good point. n/t

[Blarch]

4. So I watched the video.

what am I looking for ? ... Your point is ...?

[helderheid]

5. Oh please don't play coy. You know what my point is.

[Blarch]

6. I don't get it.

sorry.

[helderheid]

10. No, I'm sorry if you really didn't get it - I'm sorry I was snarky. Here:

Powell's staff tried to end the interview early and censor Powell as she didn't like the direction the interview was going. Powell wasn't having any of that and insisted she get out of the way, bring back the camera, and answer TR's final question.

Transcript:

Russert: Finally, Mr. Secretary, in February of 2003, you placed your enormous personal credibility before the United Nations and laid out a case against Saddam Hussein citing...

Powell: Not off.

Emily: No. They can't use it. They're editing it. They (unintelligible).

Powell: He's still asking me questions. Tim.

Emily: He was not...

Powell: Tim, I'm sorry, I lost you.

Russert: I'm right here, Mr. Secretary. I would hope they would put you back on camera. I don't know who did that.

Powell: We really...

Russert: I think that was one of your staff, Mr. Secretary. I don't think that's appropriate.

Powell: Emily, get out of the way.

Emily: OK.

Powell: Bring the camera back, please. I think we're back on, Tim. Go ahead with your last question.

[Blarch]

12. I saw that.

It didn't help me respect him in any way. Walking off of MTP would have been a disaster.

If you noticed, he didn't take responsibility for his actions ..he blamed others. Hardly respectable.

[helderheid]

13. Blamed others? One of his staffers tried to end the interview. He prevented that.

:shrug:

Granted, I think his roll in the lead up to the invasion was despicable, but I have to give him credit where credit is due here.

[Blarch]

17. He blamed others for his Iraq decision.

"It was based on the best intel the CIA had given to me"

"My presentation reflected the judgment of the intel community"


He was the one waving anthrax around to scare the world into war, but still won't take responsibility.

[helderheid]

18. I didn't pardon him for that.

[Whisp]

25. wow. and this is supposed to redeem him in some way?

H, I love you, but you are just being silly.
the two incidents cannot be compared.

but he did endorse Obama and it will help Obama - so until Nov 4 I will try my best not to get all ugly on Powell like I want to.

[helderheid]

31. I didn't say it redeemed him. I said it earned back some of my respect.

[AlCzervik]

7. "Emily get out of the way" i remember watching the morning it was on.

[dkofos]

8. The only thing he could do to gain my respect would be to turn himself in to the Hague!!

[stolivodka]

19. ^ THIS

That's the only "Road to Redemption" that I would like to see him walk.

Too bad, since the one Powell imagines that he's on ends with a cabinet appointment in the Obama Administration.

[helderheid]

20. I get that.

I really do.

[jonnyblitz]

21. EXACTLY. nt

[Hamlette]

9. when was that, anyone remember?

I remember when it happened....but I can't remember the date. (Was he still in the admin?)

[helderheid]

11. Sunday, May 16, 2004

ETA : http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4992558/

[Hamlette]

27. you're the best, thanks

so just before he left the admin

[helderheid]

30. Yep!

Thanks!

[Johonny]

14. Oliver Stone makes him

a more sympathetic character. Either way he is burying McCain and Palin intelligently and point by point rational.

[helderheid]

15. I'm watching the endorsement now. I'd not seen it before.

[helderheid]

16. This is a very impressive endrosement he's making. Covering it all.

[Phx_Dem]

23. ROLF. "Emily get out of the way!"

[helderheid]

24. "okay"

:rofl:

[HardWorkingDem]

26. What?!?!

Curveball?!?

How is that a normal person like me from Illinois knew all of the Iraq war crap was shit and all these learned sources did not? Bull fucking shit.


You know, I just love this revisionist history when it comes to the grand ole forgiving of Colin Powell.

Anyone, and I mean anyone, who has followed Middle East issues for some time knows that any time Achmed Chalabi is involved, it is time to put on that slime protection suit.

[WillyT]

28. Big K & R !!!

:kick:

[helderheid]

29. Thanks

:hi:

[Ozma]

36. I remember watching that.

Yes, this needs more explanation from the neocons...........won't see it coming.