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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:01 AM
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Kerry may have right response, but WON'T get message out.
This has been bugging me since Friday, but I haven't had the chance to vent it until now. So, here goes.

I watched CNN beginning very early Friday morning. During the course of the early morning they played snippets from Kerry's midnight speech maybe three or four times. Never once did they show the entire speech. Later in the morning Dubya was back out on the trail and giving a speech. Immediately, they cut away from their regular coverage and carried the DimSon's speech in its entirety, start to finish.

Of course, about mid-day news broke about Clinton's surgery. Also, Kerry was giving another speech. Kyra Phillips was hosting at that time. She was talking to a guest when Kerry was speaking. This is what she said: "Senator Kerry is speaking now. We will monitor that to see if he has anything to say about President Clinton's surgery." Sure enough, about that time they cut in just long enough for us to hear Kerry's comments about Clinton. At the very instant he began getting back to the substance of his speech they stopped the clip and we never heard from Kerry again.

As a matter of fact, I watched that awful cable "news" channel much of the rest of the day just to see if either of Kerry's two speeches that day would ever get any coverage. Well, guess what? Beside the occasional snippet or two that we had already seen, there was never again a word about him. For Christ's sake, he IS the Democratic candidate for President in this year's race!

So tell me, just how is Kerry to get his message out when the media will NOT play it (or play fair for that matter)?

The Republicans are the bank/(election) robbers in this crime, but damned if the media don't drive the get-away car every time.

Just makes me want to scream, then :cry:
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:07 AM
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1. Well there is C-Span-1,2,3, PBS, CBS, NBC, and ABC (evening news)
Edited on Sun Sep-05-04 07:13 AM by PROGRESSIVE1
The New York Times has come back home to our side, though I admit that most sheeple don't read newspapers and that doesn't help our cause.

Cable "News" is the WORSE thing that happened to intelligence.
Cable "News" has ruined our Country.

:grr:
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:07 AM
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2. local media, and the people who attend his events and others on the ground
i don't know why people on here are shocked that the big media is unfair. i know we can't depend on the big media. just because they don't show something does not mean it isn't happening.

just like john o'neill refuses to debate max cleland.people were complaining about those defending kerry against the swift boat liars being too weak, but that's because the kerry campaign was not free to decide who goes on. o'neill would back out of doing shows if he knew he would be up against someone like cleland


i'm sure the whole thing with cleland going to texas and delivering the letter to bush was in part to get the asshole media's attention on his own terms and get out what he needed to say without the idiot on cable news whoring for bush.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:16 AM
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3. "i know we can't depend on the big media."
"just because they don't show something does not mean it isn't happening. "

But this is a really grave problem. WE know what is really happening, but WE are the choir. We have to inform and educate "the masses" as to what BushCo is really about and what our issues really are. Just as the previous poster said, most people don't read the newspapers. They DEPEND on mainstream media outlets to keep them "informed". But look at what they get.

So, I would say to you, "just because it is happening, doesn't mean it reaches the people who need to know it the most." Unfortunately, only the major TV media can be the vehicle for these people, and it is simply NOT happening.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:42 AM
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11. It played in it's entirety in Dayton, Ohio.
I was at the rally.....They swooned the crowd and the local media!

Ohio is a swing state...no its the most valuable prize actually...It played great where it had to!

My neighbor monitored the local TV channels.....thats where my information came from. I did not notice if it was repeated.
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roseBudd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 08:50 AM
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16. we can use guerilla marketing techniques to get media attention
Edited on Sun Sep-05-04 08:50 AM by rosebud57
Create an issue that brings the media to us using viral and guerilla marketing techniques.

Please help me get the word out.

Most people have not read the 8/6/2001 PDB. I created a postcard size version.



Please print and distribute the image above. High res version for printing available below. Put them on car windows. Hand them out on street corners. We don't need TV buys to get some attention on this issue. We have to undermine Bush's perceived strength. We all are potential disseminators of printed media. We do not need a newspapers permission or lots of money for TV commercials. We need viral grass roots marketing. We need to create a buzz. If we create a buzz with massive distribution of printed ads we will get media coverage. If these start miraculously appearing and no one knows where they are coming from it will start to get media attention. A whole series of True/False print pieces could be cretaed using their own words to impeach them. Rice, Ashcroft and Cheney. We must mock them to appeal to the limbic brain.


Bush admin. INCOMPETENCE is key to undermining his strength.

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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:22 AM
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4. For what it's worth...
I watched Kerry's speech on C-SPAN but flipped over to CNN and they were showing it, too. Live.

Maybe they didn't show all of it, I don't know. But they were showing it when I looked.

I'm not defending them, just pointing this out.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:26 AM
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5. Yes, they broke in for a moment...
Edited on Sun Sep-05-04 07:27 AM by Flubadubya
and then pulled out. What was absolutely infuriating was to hear Kyra Phillips mention Kerry's speech only in the context of how it related to Clinton's surgery. In other words, to hear her tell, Kerry's speech was of value only insofar as it might give them insight into a completely unrelated topic. It was obvious they were NOT interested in what Kerry had to say otherwise.
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MaineDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:33 AM
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7. No, I mean the Thursday night speech in Ohio
The one following the convention.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:39 AM
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10. Oh, OK, they showed it live...
AT MIDNIGHT! LOL! That really cuts a big swath of the viewing audience doesn't it? I was sound asleep, as were probaby most viewers.

That just further iterates my point. They may have covered it in its entirety at midnight, but they never showed it again during the day when most people would be watching. Of course, that gives them the out by being able to say, "Oh, well, we showed the speech in its entirety, LIVE even!"

Sorry, I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but really. They might as well have not even shown it at all.

BTW, there were 2 speeches that day, the one at MN and the one during the day. The one during the day was the one they thought was relevant only as it related to Clinton's surgery.
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liberalnurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:44 AM
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12. Dayton, Ohio was not......
Many, many nurses turned their patients tv's on.....there was suttle movement by the grassroots folks. It was a really big deal here! Here is where it counted.....


I don't give a shit who was asleeep outside Ohio........
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:55 AM
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13. Excellent...
Edited on Sun Sep-05-04 07:58 AM by Flubadubya
I really am happy to hear that it got the response it should have in Ohio. My complaint remains, however, that as this is THE campaign race between TWO candidates, it is incumbent upon the media to present both side equally and fairly. Not only did they NOT repeat the speech from Ohio the next day in its entirety, they didn't even show his Friday speech altogether... only snippets about his comments about Clinton.

I really am pleased for you that Ohio got the message, but this is a NATIONAL campaign after all.
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:32 AM
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6. Yes, if there's no sex, scandal or tragedy, they don't like covering it
So we need some ratings-driven reasons for the media to cover Kerry.

Monday - Racy Rally: candidates Kerry and Edwards to give speeches in Speedos!

Tuesday - Speech on Foreign Policy and Terrorism with Wet T-shirt contest!

Wednesday - Unemployment Reality Show: Who wants to marry a laid-off factory worker?

Thursday - Reaching the other side: Candidates channel FDR, and boy is he pissed!

Friday - Happy Hour Rally: Safer at Home, Stronger in the World, with Jello shots.

Is this what it takes to get CNN to show a Kery speech?!
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bklyncowgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:35 AM
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8. I love it! LOL
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 07:38 AM
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9. Sad but true. . .
the media aren't going to cover us unless we get down and dirty--they want "sexy" news and truth and substance just aren't "sexy" enough for them.
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retread Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 08:04 AM
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14. Maybe Kitty Kelley's book will fulfill their need for trash.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 08:45 AM
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15. i agree as everyone jumps on kerry
or say he isnt doing anythiing or saying layin low in aug, i have watched him travel all over the place give speech after speech and he never gets on the news

i could see him do more appearance, ask to be on the oprah letterman hardball scarsborough king..........i figure those are the only way of getting media time.

he does the same ole speech though, how many times are they going to put bsuh hasnt done anything with health care, job are lowest since hoover and did iraq wrong. when he does these shows he is going to have to go off script and just do a chat. after watching the daily i saw stewart kept helping bringing him away from that, but he has to understand those shows arent about the talking point about conversation and showing self, just chat
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 08:53 AM
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17. You have a point...
It would be nice to see Kerry go "off" the talking points and let his real "human" side show (not that Bush ever does either though), but I wouldn't care if he just stayed ON his talking points as long as his speeches got aired with as much frequency and equanimity as Bush's.

It wouldn't matter if he were as charismatic as Elvis, if he doesn't get airtime, he doesn't play. Period.
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gulliver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-05-04 08:55 AM
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18. They won't cover it unless Kerry gives them something to cover.
They aren't going to cover Kerry attacking Bush's record. They will only cover Kerry attacking Bush and Cheney.
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