Pa. GOP sues ACORN, state, alleging voter fraud

[JimGinPA]

HARRISBURG, Pa. - Pennsylvania's Republican Party sued the state's top election official and the community activist group ACORN, accusing the group of fostering voter registration fraud and asserting that the election system lacks adequate safeguards to stop it.

The lawsuit filed Friday asks the state Commonwealth Court to order ACORN and its affiliates to provide lists identifying all the voters it registered and to finance public-service announcements to remind first-time voters that they must present identification at the polls.

"The stakes in this action are enormously high: Unless this court acts quickly and decisively, the right to Pennsylvania's 21 electoral votes may be determined by illegal ballots," the lawsuit said.

The GOP lawsuit also asks the court to order Secretary of State Pedro Cortes to ensure that local polling places have extra provisional ballots for prospective voters whose registrations are not processed by the Nov. 4 election. And it suggests , but does not ask the court to order , that Cortes halt processing of registration applications collected by ACORN and require those people to cast provisional ballots.



More at link


http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/state/pennsylvania/20081017_ap_pagopsuesacornstateallegingvoterfraud.html


What a shock!


:eyes:

[NJmaverick]

1. repukes are fucking evil beyond belief

[blue sky at night]

2. wait, wait.....

wait just a minute, are they trying to say their candidate can't win on his and her merits???? well, gosh.......too fucking bad!

[bushisanidiot]

3. Funny how repukes hate trial lawyers so much. All they do is sue sue sue!

assholes.

[Thrill]

4. They must smell a landslide

[ddeclue]

5. Somebody in PA order me the PA voter file.

I can do analysis on it to look for double registers, fake names and other common issues if I can get the list.

Thanks

Doug D.

[AllentownJake]

13. You can't register in PA

without a Social Security number or a Driver's license. There is no there there.

[jsmirman]

17. HOLY SHITTHISISSOFUCKINGSTUPID MYHEADSGONNAEXPLODE!!!!

:banghead:

Goodness, Palin, of all the dumbassery you've launched on the country, this takes the cake. And now look where this is gone.

Could someone please start a class action suit, claiming violation of people's exercise of their right to vote? Or fold in a countersuit?

This case should be kicked as frivolous bullshit, but there also need to be consequences.

[AllentownJake]

19. In addition

if your Voter Registration card comes back as undeliverable your not registered. They do a search on your name in the database and if you already registered they change your address in the system. They don't keep your name at the old polling place rolls.

PA's voter registration process is able to handle attempts to defraud the system.

In order to vote in PA fraudelently you would have to

1) Get a fake SSN that ties to your name in the SSN database or get a fake PA DL that would tie to your name in the PA database.

2) Have a valid mailing address that is not a PO box.

[ddeclue]

18. Fine but the "there" there depends on what you know about voter files...

I have been doing this for a while and it's not just the mythical "hidden Mickey" I'm looking for...

I'm also looking to check for double registers, double registers across counties, and double registers across states.

I'm also looking for weird name problems that occur in keying in the data - the application was probably fine but sometimes they get miskeyed when entered.

There are also date issues in these files that I can ID.

There are also people who are obviously dead or moved who haven't voted in five years etc.

Anyways, it's theoretically not been possible to register in FL w/o ID for a while now as well but there are some funky names in our file put there by the Supervisor's office, NOT ACORN.

The best way to calm the artificial right wing hysteria is to actually run through the exercise and test the data and debunk it.

Thanks,

Doug D.
Orlando, FL

[AllentownJake]

20. In order to defraud the PA system

PA's voter registration process is able to handle attempts to defraud the system.

In order to vote in PA fraudelently you would have to

Either get a fake SSN that ties to your name in the Federal SSN database or get a fake PA DL that would tie to your name in the PA database.

The GOP has access to the full database as do the Democrats its where they get their call and walk list from. If there was an issue they would have presented evidence.

People are purged after not voting for 5 years. Dead people may be an issue however I searched with my limited capacity my father who died a year and a half ago and he's not in the DB.

[ddeclue]

23. Trust me when I say that there's a lot I can determine from these files and no gov't database is

perfect or fool proof.

That's fine, I'll just order it myself...it's 20 dollars.

[FVZA_Colonel]

6. So anyone who was registered by ACORN essentially loses their right to vote?

Why the fuck do the Republicans care more about preventing maybe a few hundred fradulant votes then kicking tens of thousands of legal voters off the roles every election season?

[AllentownJake]

12. because it helps them win?

[nykym]

22. Because if you put

enough roadblocks in front of most people they will get discoraged and simply not follow though.

[stillcool]

24. Anyone can send in a bogus

registration, and anyone can download a registration form. It seems to me the Republicans are trying to say that none of us are able to vote.

[rucky]

7. They're lawyering them to death.

totally frivolous.

[billyoc]

8. Didn't the USSC just shoot this shit down yesterday in OH?

WTF are they playing at?

[AllentownJake]

10. The lawsuit gets press

and makes new voters question their voter registration status.

[AllentownJake]

9. IN PA

You need to verify yourself as elligible to vote by SSN or PA Driver's license number. The people who work the voter registration office aren't partisan. They simply sit there and process forms.

There is no there there...assclowns.

[wvbygod]

25. The workers are not partisan?

By definition, anyone that works for a living has a political opinion. I don't buy that someone working for that job does not favor someone for a second.

[BattyDem]

11. If an ACORN employee put phony names on a registration form ...

those phony people are not going to show up to vote. Dead people, fictional people and Mickey Mouse don't usually make it to the polls. :eyes: Where's the fraud?

[PA Democrat]

14. PA election law requires a voter to show ID the first time they vote

at any particular polling place. If a person shows up and provides proper ID, as required by law, there is no way they should have to cast a provisional ballot.

So, this is nothing more than an attempt to disenfranchise voters.

Details on acceptable forms of ID at the link:

http://www.votespa.com/HowtoVote/GuideforFirstTimeVoters/tabid/77/language/en-US/Default.aspx

[VolcanoJen]

15. Hey, beats talking about the issues.

And they wonder why they're losing.

[iamthebandfanman]

16. to bad its registration fraud , not voter fraud

the ficticious voters would hafta actually show up and vote for it to be voter fraud..

acorn did nothin illegal.

[bcoylepa]

21. PFAW - ACORN

http://site.pfaw.org/site/PageServer?pagename=acorn

From PFAW

You've got to hand it to the right-wing smear machine: it's predictable, surfacing every election year to deflect attention from the real issues. Instead of talking about real right-wing tactics to suppress the vote — which are going on right now in crucial swing states like Indiana, Pennsylvania, and Colorado — the Right's got the media covering a fake controversy: ACORN's supposed "voter fraud."

[Hamlette]

26. I think the Supreme Court decision in the Ohio would be controlling here

I don't seen how the GOP has the right to sue under that decision.

[FVZA_Colonel]

27. Well, I think it was just the Ohio Supreme Court, not national, and Pennsylvania law might be

different. But it is hard to imagine they'd try and do this just after the Ohio case was essentially struck down.

[Hamlette]

28. no, it was the US supreme court and it was on voting rights/law

I think it is controlling, from what I've read.

They might be able to sue Acorn but that won't stop voting or registration.

[FVZA_Colonel]

29. Then I guess they must feel they have standing, even though the Ohio GOP didn't.

What they hope to accomplish, I don't know.

[redstate_democrat]

30. If you read the decision, then you would know the Pa GOP does not have standing

to sue the state and make them do anything.

[The Magistrate]

32. They Are Suing ACORN In State Court, Ma'am: A Different Thing

In Ohio, they sued the state of Ohio in Federal court, and that is what the Supreme ruled out of bounds.

Probably the state court will reject the suit, though.

[Hamlette]

33. my guess is they filed before or planned to file before the decision today

or they think they can just sure Acorn. But if Acorn stops registering voters today it is no biggie as most states last date to register has passed.

[Rocknrule]

31. Republicans complaining about election theft. That's rich.

They owe me yet another irony meter.

[tigereye]

34. the Supreme Court just refused to hear this type of lawsuit in Ohio, didn't it?

they said a political party isn't allowed to sue in this type of situation...