BREAKING Online real-estate guide says plumbers home in AZ was worth $16 MILLION!!

[ddeclue]

Robert Redford to Paul Newman: "Who ARE these guys?" (Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid)

Wurzelbacher's current and former addresses from Zabasearch.com:

ZABASEARCH.com:

SAMUEL J WURZELBACHER More info available for a fee Record Created: Unknown
5768 STEFFENS AVE Satellite Photo & Map Google
TOLEDO, OH 43623 White Pages WURZELBACHER Business Listings
Complete Report on SAMUEL J WURZELBACHER

SAMUEL J WURZELBACHER Born Dec 1973 More info available for a fee Record Created: 01/2002
1960 KEATING AVE Satellite Photo & Map Google
MESA, AZ 85202 [phone] White Pages WURZELBACHER Business Listings
Complete Report on SAMUEL J WURZELBACHER

SAMUEL J WURZELBACHER Born Dec 1973 More info available for a fee Record Created: 03/2002
2234 CAMINO CASTILE Satellite Photo & Map Google
TUCSON, AZ 85715 White Pages WURZELBACHER Business Listings
Complete Report on SAMUEL J WURZELBACHER

SAMUEL J WURZELBACHER Born Dec 1973 More info available for a fee Record Created: 01/2002
6187 SUNNY DR Satellite Photo & Map Google
TUCSON, AZ 85712 White Pages WURZELBACHER Business Listings
Complete Report on SAMUEL J WURZELBACHER

Is this one of Cindy McCain's homes????

http://real-estate.nextag.com/propID_12068280/1960-W-Keating-Ave/Mesa/Arizona/homes-html


1960 W Keating Ave, Mesa, AZ 85202

NexTag Estimate: $16,540,011 (as of 05/12/2008)

A huge multi-family home in Mesa, Arizona. This 2 story home, built in 1980, measures 228,500 sq ft on a 787,489 sq ft (18.08 acre) lot. NexTag estimates this Maricopa county home's value to be $16,540,011.

The three closest schools in the area (within 10 miles) are Washington Elementary School, Mesa Community College, and Roosevelt Elementary School.

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Residence Type:
Multiple Family
# Bedrooms:
0
# Bathrooms:
0
Total # Rooms:
0
# Stories:
2
Home Size:
228,500 sq ft
Lot Size:
787,489 sq ft (18.08 acres)
Home $/sq ft:
$72
Lot $/sq ft:
$21
Year Built:
1980
Central Heating:
N
Central Cooling:
N
Pool:
--
Fireplace:
--
County:
Maricopa
School District:
Mesa Unified School District

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Assessed Land Value:
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Assessed Improvement Value:
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Total Assessed Value:
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[jakem]

1. why is the assessment 1/10th the value?

am i reading that right?

[ddeclue]

2. Not a real estate expert, I'm a research expert...

ask someone here who does real estate in AZ.

[librechik]

3. Shenannigans

Googling is good for that!

[donco6]

4. In Colorado, our assessment ratio is 7.96% on resid.

Maybe they're similar?

[Tansy_Gold]

5. Assessment is always 1/10 the value but the sq ft is questionable

228,000 sq feet is the size of a large retail building.

[Tansy_Gold]

15. It's in a normal residential area of Mesa, Dobson Ranch

Whatever NextTag is doing, they're distorting this really bad.

"Huge multifamily" is wrong. It's ordinary homes right on Dobson Road south of Baseline.

It MIGHT be packaged as an apartment/rental/casita/condo type property, but it's not a lavish mansion by any means, and not likely one of Cindy's residences.

I'm not familiar enough with Mesa specifics to tell you more than that.


TG in AJ

[donco6]

6. dupe

[pnwmom]

31. A lot of jurisdictions report assessments as a fraction that way.

I don't know why.

[kestrel91316]

7. A 228,000 sf multifamily home is what's known in my neighborhood as

an apartment building or condo complex.

[Blaq Dem]

8. A home on Keating Ave is a dead giveaway.

The truth will come to light.

[ddeclue]

12. I sent the research to the Toledo Blade reporter

please help me get the word out...

Doug D.
Orlando, FL

[Blaq Dem]

21. Can you find out who owns those condo/apartments?

Tax assessments might help if its available in that particular county.

[onenote]

34. This article gives some info about who owned/owns them

http://www.brewaz.com/story_recent.php?id=5029

[onenote]

35. And I bet it was one of the funnier things he received all day

Its a flipping 570 unit apartment complex that the guy lived in. And its not a particularly nice one either.

[ddeclue]

45. SHE not he...

[ecstatic]

9. There's no way the idiot I saw on my TV today is a millionaire

unless, of course, McShame bought him the mansion. I'm guessing the address refers to some sort of apartment complex.

[Blaq Dem]

19. He may not be a millionaire...

The search shows he LIVED there, perhaps as a freeloader? Who knows. The guy seems too idiotic.

[onenote]

36. Its a shithole -- 576 units

Check out some of the reviews:

http://www.apartmentratings.com/rate/AZ-Mesa-Aventerra-at-Dobson-Ranch.html

[nc4bo]

23. Hate to say it but you'd be surprised at how some people with BIG $$ do not look the part....

I've met one - an ex-pig/cow farmer turned used car salesman originally from Texas. Weather down home blue jeans and sports shirt type, drove a regular ole pick up truck, lives in an old farm house in need of renovation.

Can't judge people by the outside. Not saying this clown is or isn't someone with some $$ but just keep in mind that some ole boys are very low keyed.

[TrogL]

10. It looks like it's a condo or a business

http://maps.google.ca/maps?f=q&hl=en&geocode=&q=1960+keating+ave+mesa+arizona&sll=49.891235,-97.15369&sspn=35.320633,71.806641&ie=UTF8&ll=33.369139,-111.878146&spn=0.001391,0.002191&t=h&z=19&layer=c&cbll=33.368849,-111.878756&panoid=1wXkVvb3lyAx3KBoqLtqXQ

Looks like there's 10 parking stalls. Bet it's a 10-unit condo complex and he's got one of them.

[qanda]

11. I'm so confused

Is this the same guy as Joe the Plumber? If so, what does all this mean?

[1corona4u]

14. It doesn't mean shit....they are mixing apples and oranges.

grasping at straws...

[AZBlue]

13. delete

[lapfog_1]

16. It's an apartment complex or condo

and not a good one either.

I doubt that he owned it. More likely this is an address where he once lived.

[Blue Diadem]

17. It's a trailer park

DOBSON RANCH LAKE PARK VILLAGE TR A

http://www.maricopa.gov/Assessor/ParcelApplication/Detail.aspx?ID=305-04-159-A

http://www.maricopa.gov/Assessor/ParcelApplication/Default.aspx

[ddeclue]

20. Not what we saw a picture of on Google Earth.

It's a bunch of huge buildings...

[Blue Diadem]

25. My mistake, Dobson Park Lake Park village. The Tr a, triggered trailer park for me.

Could be a condos or apartments from your description.

[Tansy_Gold]

26. They are probably modular homes set up on permanent footings

This is a common format in Arizona.

As I said, I'm not familiar with the Keating Avenue/Dobson Ranch entity, but there are several such developments out in the East Mesa, Apache Junction, and Gold Canyon area: double-wide manufactured homes installed on lots in a "park." Owner buys unit but pays lot rent just like a "trailer park," but these units are not in the least bit mobile. For example, Montesa in GC features stucco exteriors, tile roofs, very very nice place. Better than mine!


TG

[Blue Diadem]

28. These look like apartment buildings. Birdseye view on MSN Map

http://maps.live.com/?q=&form=MSNH#JnE9eXAuMTk2MCtXJTQwMitLZWF0aW5nK01lc2ErQXolN2Vzc3QuMCU3ZXBnLjEmYmI9NTIuNzQ5NTkzNzI2NzQxMiU3ZS01MS41OTE3OTY4NzUlN2UyOC40NTkwMzMwMTk3MjgxJTdlLTExNS4xMzY3MTg3NQ==

[Tansy_Gold]

29. Bunch of small buildings

http://www.lakeparkvillageaz.com/AboutUs.htm

3-story condo units 1500-1800 sq ft.


I'm now hiding this thread.

[Tansy_Gold]

22. DING DING DING!

:thumbsup:

[Marrah_G]

18. On google earth it looks like an apartment building

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

24. This thread is a shark jumper

[justiceischeap]

27. It's an apartment complex--here's the link for proof:

http://www.everyaptmapped.com/apartments/mesa,arizona,az/aventerra+at+dobson+ranch.html

[ddeclue]

32. OK...good work!

Usually you get an apt# at Zabasearch if it is an apt or condo.

[TooRaLoo]

30. More and more, it's looking to me like he was dispatched my McStain campaign. nt

[onenote]

33. BREAKING: Joe the Plumber owned a condo in 576 unit building!!

Not nearly so exciting sounding. SOmetimes it makes sense to look before you leap.
In fact, he may have not even owned there; may have rented, or had it rented for him (its used for corporate housing according to one website).

1960 Keating Avenue is a 576 unit building that was purchased for a whopping 30 million in 2005 ($53,000) per unit.

http://www.brewaz.com/story_recent.php?id=5029

Found a site where people reviewed the place. Apparently its a shithole.

[ColbertWatcher]

37. Corporate housing AND it's a shithole? n/t

[Blaq Dem]

38. Keating Ave Address => CONFIRMED

Ex-wife once lived there too!
-----------------------------

JENNIFER P WURZELBACHER Born Mar 1974
1960 KEATING AVE
MESA, AZ 85202 [phone]

[Blaq Dem]

40. 6187 Sunny Dr => CONFIRMED

Another one that matches...
---------------------------

JENNIFER P WURZELBACHER Born Mar 1974
6187 SUNNY DR
TUCSON, AZ 85712

[gmoney]

39. "I went to Las Vegas in a $3000 car, came home in a $100,000 Greyhound bus!"

I suspect Joe did NOT own this property...

[Grown2Hate]

41. I can WALK to that house in about 2 minutes. Seriously.

I live about 3 blocks away (on Canton, if you look at the map). Sorry, but there is NO way it's worth that much. This entire Dobson Ranch neighborhood is made up of 180K - 500K houses. TOPS. So I don't know where those numbers come from. STRANGE though...

[onenote]

42. that "house" in a 576 unit apartment complex

[Grown2Hate]

43. Yeah, I have a bad habit of opening posts, leaving them open, and

coming back about 4 hours later to reply, and then looking dumb. :) I thought this was on the ALMA SCHOOL side (at Guadalupe), not Dobson. Still super close though. Oh well.

[Dora]

44. NO MILLION DOLLAR HOMES AT THAT ADDRESS. That's bad data - hyperbolic at best.

I know the area. THERE ARE NO MILLION DOLLAR HOMES THERE. There are middle class houses, some townhouse/condo developments, an apartment complex or two, and office complexes, mostly medical and legal, IIRC.

Joe may have lived at that address, but the online information as posted here is false.

[ddeclue]

46. The problem is that the Reality site should have said APARTMENT BUILDING

It said HOME.

APARTMENT BUILDINGS are NOT HOMES.

Sorry for the confusion.

Still does NOT over come the irony of him living on Keating Ave!

Doug D.

[Dora]

47. I totally dig on that, except I don't think there's anything ironic about it at all.

Sorry about all the caps.

I absolutely suspect that there is a connection between this Sammy Joe Wurzlebacher and the Robert Wurzlebacher who pled guilty in the Keating scandal.

Keating is an old-boy Arizona name, and it would make sense that his associates might have bought property on land that he developed in the 70's and 80's. I was a kid growing up in Tempe when Mesa turned the cotton fields into man-made lakes and culdesacs.

I wonder if his Uncle Bob Wurzlebacher owned a condo complex that he built on land bought from Keating, or something like that. And Sammy Joe lived there.

I am still unclear of the relationship between Robert W. and Sammy Joe W. Has that been established yet? And I wonder how to research whether Keating owned/developed any land in the East Valley in the 70's and 80's.

[karynnj]

48. 228,500 sq ft????

10,000 would be huge. This is not even a good fraud. Keating?